Re: [OSM-talk] www.OpenRouteService.org now supports Bicycle Routing with OSM Data

2008-07-06 Thread Robert Vollmert


Hello,

 very cool indeed.

Very much so.

 - work in progress: tracktype

 As a cyclist I'd appreciate it if track with no additional info,  
 track with
 surface=paced, track with surface=gravel, and tracks of type1, 2 and  
 probably
 3 would be taken into account.

This may be unrealistic, but maybe you can include tracktype, surface  
and the proposed key smoothness in your database, and allow the user  
to select allowed values for each? Or even weights for each  
combination? There could be default profiles for road bike or city  
bike or mountain bike.

 Of course there are other combinations and possbilities and we
 are evaluating those, but this shall serve as a first start ...

 What immediately comes to my mind as a feature request for (much :)  
 later
 versions are downloading the caclulated route as gpx track or  
 (optional)
 route and via-points

I agree. I just used the service to create a route for me and was a  
little
disappointed I couldn't download it as gpx.

One other problem I had is that it seems to have a preference for  
routing against the oneway direction on dual carriage ways. Or does it  
just disregard oneway?

Cheers
Robert



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Re: [OSM-talk] www.OpenRouteService.org now supports Bicycle Routing with OSM Data

2008-07-06 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi,

 This may be unrealistic, but maybe you can include tracktype, surface  
 and the proposed key smoothness in your database, and allow the user  
 to select allowed values for each? Or even weights for each  
 combination? There could be default profiles for road bike or city  
 bike or mountain bike.

I personally would like it, but it would be a usability nightmare; the average 
computer user expects that the machine obeys the do what I want 
paradigm :) .

[...]

 I agree. I just used the service to create a route for me and was a  
 little
 disappointed I couldn't download it as gpx.

The problem is that various software and hardware expects it in different 
formats (gpx is not gpx :) .

For example, Maemo Mapper takes a gpx track as a Route. The waypoints with 
turn by turn recommendations are just trackpoints with a desc-tag set. OTOH, 
it is a bit picky about other (valid) tags. If something appears it didn't 
expect (maybe a waypoint in a track) it denies to accept the file.

Some GPSr devices can use gpx routes, some can use gpx tracks.

I remember that www.radroutenplaner.nrw.de once gave me a track which I 
manually had to edit to make it run on an eTrex Venture Cx. Currently it 
doesn't give me a usable file at all. It's worth a look anyway.

In either case it is a very time consuming task to find a file format that 
provides the most benefit for as many users as possible. I guess the best one 
for starting a download was a track just consisting of the trackpoints.

Best regards,

ce


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Re: [OSM-talk] www.OpenRouteService.org now supports Bicycle Routing with OSM Data

2008-07-04 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi,

very cool indeed.

 - work in progress: tracktype

As a cyclist I'd appreciate it if track with no additional info, track with 
surface=paced, track with surface=gravel, and tracks of type1, 2 and probably 
3 would be taken into account.

 Of course there are other combinations and possbilities and we
 are evaluating those, but this shall serve as a first start ...

What immediately comes to my mind as a feature request for (much :) later 
versions are downloading the caclulated route as gpx track or (optional) 
route and via-points (Create my a nice bicycle route which leads me to this 
ancient castle, that nice biergarden and those nice fields).

Just my two cents,

ce


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[OSM-talk] www.OpenRouteService.org now supports Bicycle Routing with OSM Data

2008-07-03 Thread Pascal Neis
Hi List,
www.OpenRouteService.org now supports Bicycle Routing with OSM Data

www.OpenRouteService.org (ORS) offers not only pedestrian and fastest
and shortes routing based on the OpenGIS Open Location Service
specifications (OGC OpenLS), but also bicycle routing for the whole of
Germany. The OpenStreetMap data needs to be preprocessed a big deal in
order to calculate a topological street network valid for routing. This
processing generates currently about 2 million street segements for
Germany (from originally about 900.000 streets). The routing is now
based on the A-star algorithm and which improved the performance in
spite of the increasing data. Further extensions are in work and planned.

Currently the following keys are used for car routing:
- highway with value = motorway, motorway_link, trunk, trunk_link, primary, 
primary_link,
secondary, tertiary, unclassified, residential, service/access=yes and 
living_street
- motorcar=yes/no
- oneway
- junction

Currently the following keys are used for pedestrian routing:
- highway with value = all car highway values (without motorway/-link), track,
service, bridleway, cycleway, footway, pedestrian and steps
- foot=yes/no

Currently the following keys are used for bycycle routing:
- highway with value = all car highway values (without motorway/-link), track,
service, bridleway, cycleway, pedestrian and footway
- bicycle=yes/no
- work in progress: tracktype

Of course there are other combinations and possbilities and we
are evaluating those, but this shall serve as a first start ...

We are interested in your feedback! So far the service is restricted
to Germany only, we will add more later.

Cheers
pascal



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