Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Sunburned Surveyor]

I'm happy with wikipedia PD as well.

The Sunburned Surveyor

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm happy with that. Thankyou :)
>
> -J
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Kari Pihkala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I counted the votes for PD "license" so far. Sorry, if I have missed
>> anyone!!
>>
>> Jordan S Hatcher: PDDL
>> Joseph Gentle: Wikipedia PD / PDDL
>> Nic Roets: Wikipedia PD
>> Sebastian Spaeth: Wikipedia PD
>> Rob Myers: CC Zero (Wikipedia PD)
>> Gustav Foseid: CC Zero / Wikipedia PD
>>
>> According to this, Wikipedia style public domain dedication statement wins.
>> CC Zero is not finished, and therefore cannot be used now. So Wikipedia PD
>> it is?? Is this decision informal enough?? :)
>>
>> PDDL:
>> http://www.opendatacommons.org/odc-public-domain-dedication-and-licence/
>> CC Zero: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CCZero
>> Wikipedia PD: "I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into
>> the
>> public domain. This applies worldwide.In case this is not legally possible:
>> I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any
>> conditions, unless such conditions are required by law."
>>
>> - Kari
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Kari Pihkala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly. I wouldn't like to see nodes with a license tag. Once again, it
>>> over-complicates things. Or do you want people asking, which PD data can
>>> they use and which they cannot??
>>>
>>> Importing PD data (such as TIGER) into OSM/PD isn't a problem. PD is PD.
>>>
>>> I vote for the Wikipedia PD style of public domain for OSM/PD. Simply
>>> because it is simple.
>>>
>>> Public Domain Dedication And License looks too complicated - I think it
>>> will scare people off. CC Zero is not finished. Once it is finished, I don't
>>> see any reasons why we couldn't later switch to CC Zero, if it turns out to
>>> be good.
>>>
>>> - Kari
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:39 AM, Simon Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:17:46AM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote:
 > We won't have all the data under one license though. Never will if
 > we're incorporating TIGER data and data from other governments.

 Exactly, the point to keep in mind here is that you don't relicense
 stuff (at least not without much paperwork), you incorporate stuff that
 has a licence compatible with yours.  In much GPL software, PD and MIT
 is acceptable, but the BSD licence with advertising clause isn't because
 it adds another incompatible restriction (the advertising clause).  With
 OSM data it is similar:  OSM can import TIGER data because it's PD, but
 can not incorporate data from Ordnance Survey that at first glance seems
 free but also restricts commercial use (unless licenced for many £).

 Simon
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Sunburned Surveyor]

Back to square 1. :]

Is public domain really this hard?

The Sunburned Surveyor

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Nothing is ever as simple as you hope. :]
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>> Joseph wrote: "I don't think its that big a deal - we could just say
>> "if you edit a
>> node, your edits are also under the same PD license as the node is
>> currently under" or something."
>>
>> I think this is a good solution to the problem mentioned above.
>
> Possibly we could encode this in some sort of standard agreement,
> perhaps in the form of a licence.
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> ;-)
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Rob Myers]

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Sunburned Surveyor wrote:
> Nothing is ever as simple as you hope. :]
> 
> Joseph wrote: "I don't think its that big a deal - we could just say
> "if you edit a
> node, your edits are also under the same PD license as the node is
> currently under" or something."
> 
> I think this is a good solution to the problem mentioned above.

Possibly we could encode this in some sort of standard agreement,
perhaps in the form of a licence.

;-)

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Sunburned Surveyor]

I have no problem avoiding the moral rights quagmire. I think
simplicity is one of the reasons to move to PD in the first place.

I don't think it would be a problem to use the wikipedia public domain
license now, and then consider a future move to something like the CC
Zero.

I would strongly recommend we do one thing that OSM hasn't done. That
is require a tag for each feature that indicates the license the
feature was released under. I know it's all PD, but this would allow
us to "sort" and catagorize the data in the event of future legal
interpretations or developments. I'd rather have a simple license tag
then get to a point down the road where a large portion of the data
has a cloud over its use because of some legal decision.

The Sunburned Surveyor

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:55 AM, Gustav Foseid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The Wikipedia version is the best current PD Dedication but I really
>> would recommend waiting on CC Zero.
>
> CC Zero explicitly mentions database rights, which I think is a good thing,
> but I would be ahppy with the Wikipedia dedication as well.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Gustav
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Sebastian Spaeth]

Joseph Gentle wrote:

> Can we get a vague show of hands about what people think of this? I
> don't think its worth discussing for more than a day or so. If this
> issue is too contentious, we can let contributors decide with an
> option on their user page or something.

+1 wikipedia version

If you want to retain hooks and catches (do whatever you want but never
draw obscene figures in my road network) this license will not be any
better than the existing one. This PD thing is about simplicity.

spaetz

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Sunburned Surveyor]

"Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight."

True. But its got to be simpler than viral share-alike. :]

The Sunburned Surveyor

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:12 PM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Jordan S Hatcher
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On picking a PD dedication/licence:
>>
>> On 16 Oct 2008, at 20:08, Kari Pihkala wrote:
>> > I created a wiki page for the public domain map, have a look at
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Public_Domain_Map . There
>> > is also a link from the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/
>> > Open_Data_License to the new page.
>> >
>> > I listed all public domain licenses - we need to decide which one
>> > to use. How to make decisions? Voting?
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2008, at 09:22, Rob Myers wrote:
>> >
>> > The CC PD dedication has the usual problems in jurisdictions where you
>> > can't waive your rights.
>> >
>> > CC Zero is designed to fix this, I believe.
>>
>>
>> On 16 Oct 2008, at 03:58, Joseph Gentle wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't think picking the right PD license will be a particularly
>> > large hurdle. It is certainly less complicated than selecting a
>> > share-alike license :)  The wikipedia pd license looks good.
>>
>> I would strongly think about the Open Data Commons Public Domain
>> Dedication and Licence, which as John Wilbanks mentions in another
>> post is specifically geared towards data and is compliant with the
>> Science Commons protocol.
>>
>> But of course I co-wrote the PDDL so I would say that. Unless you
>> have to make a decision really soon on which to choose, I would
>> however wait and see how CC Zero shakes out in the final draft and
>> how it gets implemented in order to make an informed choice between
>> all the options.
>
> Ironically, this thread was started by Sunburned Surveyor who said:
>> I wasn't a proponent of this "public domain approach" until I started
>> to learn about the licensing issue and some of the problems and
>> complications it can cause. I know believe things are a lot simpler if
>> my OSM data is just released into the public domain before it is
>> contributed.
>
> Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight.
>
>
>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ~Jordan
>> 
>> Mr. Jordan S Hatcher, JD, LLM
>>
>> jordan at opencontentlawyer dot com
>> OC Blog: http://opencontentlawyer.com
>> IP/IT Blog: http://twitchgamer.net
>>
>> Open Data Commons
>> 
>>
>> Usage of Creative Commons by cultural heritage organisations
>> http://www.eduserv.org.uk/foundation/studies/cc2007
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

80n wrote:
> Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight.

The thing that is simple about PD is what contributors want - they 
simply want to make the data available to anyone, forever, without 
restrictions of any kind, full stop. You will not find a single use case 
where one PD advocate says "I want this to be possible" and another says 
"nay, this should not be allowed" and the third says "ok we can allow 
this but only if the licensee dons a funny hat and runs in circles for 
half an hour". We're all 100% on the same side and there is absolutely 
no discussion about where to draw the line between "allowed" and "not 
allowed".

The more complex thing is that some jurisdictions make it really 
difficult for you to give away your rights so generously. So the guy who 
told you "use my data as you see fit" might actually be from a country 
where him saying so doesn't exactly mean what he says! But this is 
really legislation gone mad, and should not be held against the idea of 
PD. The idea of giving away something freely, with no strings attached, 
*is* a very simple idea that can easily be understood by anyone.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[80n]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Jordan S Hatcher <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On picking a PD dedication/licence:
>
> On 16 Oct 2008, at 20:08, Kari Pihkala wrote:
> > I created a wiki page for the public domain map, have a look at
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Public_Domain_Map . There
> > is also a link from the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/
> > Open_Data_License to the new page.
> >
> > I listed all public domain licenses - we need to decide which one
> > to use. How to make decisions? Voting?
>
> On 15 Oct 2008, at 09:22, Rob Myers wrote:
> >
> > The CC PD dedication has the usual problems in jurisdictions where you
> > can't waive your rights.
> >
> > CC Zero is designed to fix this, I believe.
>
>
> On 16 Oct 2008, at 03:58, Joseph Gentle wrote:
> >
> > I don't think picking the right PD license will be a particularly
> > large hurdle. It is certainly less complicated than selecting a
> > share-alike license :)  The wikipedia pd license looks good.
>
> I would strongly think about the Open Data Commons Public Domain
> Dedication and Licence, which as John Wilbanks mentions in another
> post is specifically geared towards data and is compliant with the
> Science Commons protocol.
>
> But of course I co-wrote the PDDL so I would say that. Unless you
> have to make a decision really soon on which to choose, I would
> however wait and see how CC Zero shakes out in the final draft and
> how it gets implemented in order to make an informed choice between
> all the options.
>

Ironically, this thread was started by Sunburned Surveyor who said:
> I wasn't a proponent of this "public domain approach" until I started
> to learn about the licensing issue and some of the problems and
> complications it can cause. I know believe things are a lot simpler if
> my OSM data is just released into the public domain before it is
> contributed.

Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight.




>
> Thanks!
>
> ~Jordan
> 
> Mr. Jordan S Hatcher, JD, LLM
>
> jordan at opencontentlawyer dot com
> OC Blog: http://opencontentlawyer.com
> IP/IT Blog: http://twitchgamer.net
>
> Open Data Commons
> 
>
> Usage of Creative Commons by cultural heritage organisations
> http://www.eduserv.org.uk/foundation/studies/cc2007
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[80n]

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Peter Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> >What does OSM Foundation think about the PD repository? Would it make
> sense
> >to host both licences under the name OpenStreetMap or would it be
> >confusing? How much OSMF wants to be part of the PD version? After all
> >I think most of the decisions will be the same for both (e.g.
> >deciding about tags, road types, changes in software...)
>
> To be clear, the OSMF is there to support the project and it is the OSM
> contributors (and the OSMF members) who should guide the direction that the
> project goes in. If the community says 'pd' then this is the way I am sure
> the foundation would support it going. In the absence of a strong vote for
> pd their attitude is to sort out the share-alike licence.
>


To be doubly clear the OSMF's articles of association say this, and only
this, about its objectives:

"OpenStreetMap Foundation is dedicated to encouraging the growth,
development and distribution of free geospatial data and to providing
geospatial data for anybody to use and share."



>
> Btw, I don't really see how the project would work if one contributor in an
> area was doing PD and the other was not. There would need to be dual work
> to
> produce a good pd version of the area which would be weird and hard to
> explain to say the least.
>
> Anyway, I do think it would be useful to set up a pd-talk list to capture
> all this and to ensure that it doesn't overwhelm the legal-talk list which
> I
> suggest should be more focused on current legal concerns. If there is not a
> pd-project wiki page then I suggest you set one of those up and link to it
> from the ODBL page.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Peter
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Joseph Gentle wrote:
> I don't think it matters much where our mailing list is hosted. A
> google group would be fine

I for one will certainly not join a Google list, I don't know if I'm 
just picky or if others feel the same - Google lists just provide an 
incentive for ever more people to open Google accounts and make their 
habits available to Google for commercial exploitation.

As for finding a project name, talking to OSGeo, asking the OSMF for 
their stance and so on - my advice would be to keep this very, very 
low-key at first. No cool project name, no domain, no formal talks with 
anybody - all this risks creating some vaporware shell which is devoid 
of content. Create the content first, see if it has the potential to 
fly, then make further decisions. Don't expect the OSMF do make any sort 
of commitment (or even public statement) before they've got OSM's own 
license finished, that's already an issue that is almost too big. Find 
some University or someone where you have contacts to host the thing.

Don't set up too much of your own structure just yet, because it is very 
well possible that it makes sense to fly under the flag 
"OpenStreetMap/PD" once things are a bit clearer, but you cannot 
possibly expect many from OSM to endorse the thing when so little is 
clear about it... personally, I would much prefer "OpenStreetMap/PD" or 
something like that instead of a completely different name, and also 
have friendly cooperation between both in the future.

I don't suppose there should be objections to setting up a "pd-talk" 
list on openstreetmap.org. Tom Hughes would be the person to ask, and be 
sure to supply him with an email address for the list admin.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I'm the person who started the "all my contributions are PD"  
> thing on the Wiki 

Seems I was wrong here, Wiki history lists RichardF as the inventor and 
myself as a mere follower a few weeks later! Well then, I guess, PD is 
not so great after all ;-)

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Nic Roets]

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I think the idea that everything only touched by PD contributors is PD
> data is easily good enough. It would be a tough sell to say that
> because your road is next to my road, I have intellectual property
> rights over the road you drew. (Especially since facts can't be
> copyrighted in the first place).
>

Not quite true : It's quite likely that a PD user will split a way created
by a non-PD user, and then change or delete the old way with the history, so
that it's impossible for software to detect the origin of the new way.

Furthermore, OSM contains a little bit of stylistic details that may not be
extracted to a PD database. A user may for example tag the road going
through the village as unclassified vs. residential for the rest of the
village, even though all the roads have the same width and markings.

But if you want to go PD, then do it ! I have a lot of untainted data ready
for upload. It may just turn out to be a nice backup database where vandals
aren't very active.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Joseph Gentle]

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My thinking as well, just needs careful consideration of viral
> effects, i.e. if you want to be totally safe then you can only ever
> collect data before it is assimilated into the OSM pool, and after
> that it is completely lost to you because even if, once in OSM, the
> data is only further edited by the same person originally creating
> it, it might have to be contaminated by "a node on the other side of
> the road". This is of course the chicken way to deal with it, one
> could also take a more combative stance and postulate that anything
> only ever touched by users who say their data is PD, is PD.

I think the idea that everything only touched by PD contributors is PD
data is easily good enough. It would be a tough sell to say that
because your road is next to my road, I have intellectual property
rights over the road you drew. (Especially since facts can't be
copyrighted in the first place).

My motivation is a bit different from Landon's. I want to make a map
could (eventually) be the authoritative world map which people use for
absolutely everything mapping related. I think the new license is
fantastic, but the whole fiasco has made me one of Those People; who
would rather PD his data than waste time arguing about legalese for a
not-for-profit project.

> I'm the person who started the "all my contributions are PD"
> thing on the Wiki and I'm happy to see it has gained quite a number
> of followers.

That was a great initiative. I also hope to email a lot of the
contributors (particularly the larger contributors) once we have
something up and running to ask them to public domain their work. I
think a lot of people wouldn't mind sharing more. Once its all set up,
I imagine mailing people with a short paragraph of text, a link for
more information and a link they can click to donate their data.
Simple.

> I'm especially hopefull concering the US where you have this huge
> body of PD information to start with. If you manage to convince
> people that it is good to keep this PD body alive rather than cutting
> away little pieces each time something is edited then that would be
> quite an achievement!
>
> I could envisage editors supporting multiple repositories and
> becoming license aware ("you have edited 5 items that were PD before.
> Do you want to keep the PD license on those...").

Brilliant. I hadn't thought of that.

Speaking of which, are there currently any good merging tools for map
data? I foresee the need to merge map data together a lot both OSM->PD
as people PD their work and PD->OSM as the PD maps fill in areas not
covered by OSM.

In the meantime, we probably need to set up our own independent
software stack (initially using the same software, but with a
different data set) and then write tools to scrape together PD data
for the initial import. We'll need a project name (freemap? planet
map? terra mappa? wikiglobe / wikimap? The Street?) and a mailing
list.

-J

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Richard Fairhurst]

spaetz wrote:

> check the wiki, there are a few people that have the "I release my  
> data as PD template on their user pages". I would expect the biggest  
> problem is that existing data is likely to be "tainted" by the OSM  
> license if anybody not on that list ever modified it

significantly

cheers
Richard

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Rob Myers]

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Sunburned Surveyor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suppose there is the Public Domain Dedication from the Creative
> Commons that we could use as well, although that will have to be
> discussed among the participants. Or the Open Data Commons Public
> Domain Dedication and License,
>
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
> http://www.opendatacommons.org/odc-public-domain-dedication-and-licence/

The CC PD dedication has the usual problems in jurisdictions where you
can't waive your rights.

CC Zero is designed to fix this, I believe.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[spaetz]

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:54:37AM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote:
> I believe there is (at least a small) group that would also like to
> release there data into the public domain before it is contributed to
> OSM. Joseph and Kari have given their support to setting up a

check the wiki, there are a few people that have the "I release my data as PD 
template on their user pages". I would expect the biggest problem is that 
existing data is likely to be "tainted" by the OSM license if anybody not on 
that list ever modified it.

spaetz

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM, Data

[John Wilbanks]

The folks at Creative Commons and Science Commons would be happy to help 
out in the creation of a public domain repository. My opinions on the 
difficulties of using "copyleftish" licenses on data are well known and 
I won't rehash them here :-)

jtw

 
I've had some recent discussions with Joseph Gentle and Kari Pihkala
about the desire to maintain a "clean" repository of data collected
for OSM that would be released in the public domain before being
imported into OSM. This would allow anyone to use the data without
having to worry about the OSM license restrictions, especially the
viral portions.

I wasn't a proponent of this "public domain approach" until I started
to learn about the licensing issue and some of the problems and
complications it can cause. I know believe things are a lot simpler if
my OSM data is just released into the public domain before it is
contributed.

I believe there is (at least a small) group that would also like to
release there data into the public domain before it is contributed to
OSM. Joseph and Kari have given their support to setting up a
repository for this public domain data. I'm not sure yet exactly what
this repository will look like, or how much of the OSM software stack
we will need to replicate. I don't want this to turn into a fork of
OSM. I'd rather see it as a holding basin mechanism that can be used
to release data collected for OSM into the public domain before it is
uploaded to the main OSM database.

Joseph, Kari, and I thought it would be wise to bounce this idea of
the legal-talk mailing list. Are there any strong objections to our
setting up a public domain repository, and if so, what are the
objections? Would it be appropriate to start a separate mailing list
for those interested in releasing the data they collect for OSM under
the public domain?

I'd like to work with Joseph to get the infrastructure we'll need for
this project lined up. This will likely include finding a sponsor
organization and doing some work on a simple websiter or wiki.
However, we thought it wise to mention our idea here before we take
any concrete steps.

Landon


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Sunburned Surveyor]

I suppose there is the Public Domain Dedication from the Creative
Commons that we could use as well, although that will have to be
discussed among the participants. Or the Open Data Commons Public
Domain Dedication and License,

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
http://www.opendatacommons.org/odc-public-domain-dedication-and-licence/

Landon

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Denver Gingerich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Sunburned Surveyor  wrote:
>> I've had some recent discussions with Joseph Gentle and Kari Pihkala
>> about the desire to maintain a "clean" repository of data collected
>> for OSM that would be released in the public domain before being
>> imported into OSM. This would allow anyone to use the data without
>> having to worry about the OSM license restrictions, especially the
>> viral portions.
>
> I suggest that you be very careful when creating the agreement you
> will present to contributors that says they want their contributions
> in the public domain.  In many countries, there are unwaivable moral
> rights that could make an agreement to the effect of "I release this
> work into the public domain" invalid.
>
> You may want to base your agreement on the PD agreement that Wikipedia uses:
>
> "I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the
> public domain. This applies worldwide.
>
> In case this is not legally possible:
> I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any
> conditions, unless such conditions are required by law."
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>
> A statement like this is a much more likely to be valid in a variety
> of jurisdictions.
>
> Denver
> http://ossguy.com/
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

[Denver Gingerich]

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On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Sunburned Surveyor  wrote:
> I've had some recent discussions with Joseph Gentle and Kari Pihkala
> about the desire to maintain a "clean" repository of data collected
> for OSM that would be released in the public domain before being
> imported into OSM. This would allow anyone to use the data without
> having to worry about the OSM license restrictions, especially the
> viral portions.

I suggest that you be very careful when creating the agreement you
will present to contributors that says they want their contributions
in the public domain.  In many countries, there are unwaivable moral
rights that could make an agreement to the effect of "I release this
work into the public domain" invalid.

You may want to base your agreement on the PD agreement that Wikipedia uses:

"I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the
public domain. This applies worldwide.

In case this is not legally possible:
I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any
conditions, unless such conditions are required by law."


A statement like this is a much more likely to be valid in a variety
of jurisdictions.

Denver
http://ossguy.com/


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