Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-09-01 Thread Matt Williams
2009/9/1 Valent Turkovic :
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Craig Wallace wrote:
>> On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>>> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?
>>>
>>> I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Valent.
>> I'd tag it something like this:
>>
>> leisure=pitch
>> sport=beach_volleyball
>> surface=sand
>
> JOSM complains that there is no "sport=beach_volleyball" tag.

It doesn't matter. Tag it as whatever you want.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-09-01 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> So tag it sport=volleyball surface=sand then as we agreed previously :)
>
> Cheers,
> Peter.

Is it really the same sport "beach volley" and "volleyball" ? how many
"agreed" ? Does JOSM validator knows or is supposed to know all sports
around the world ?
Be aware that validator warnings are in many cases false positive.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-09-01 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/9/1 Valent Turkovic :
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Craig Wallace wrote:
>> On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>>> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?
>>>
>>> I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Valent.
>> I'd tag it something like this:
>>
>> leisure=pitch
>> sport=beach_volleyball
>> surface=sand
>
> JOSM complains that there is no "sport=beach_volleyball" tag.
>

So tag it sport=volleyball surface=sand then as we agreed previously :)

Cheers,
Peter.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-09-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Craig Wallace wrote:
> On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?
>>
>> I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Valent.
> I'd tag it something like this:
>
> leisure=pitch
> sport=beach_volleyball
> surface=sand

JOSM complains that there is no "sport=beach_volleyball" tag.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-29 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Of course. I was just kidding, hence the ":)" emoticon.

I think that the tag

leisure = pitch
sport = volleyball
surface = sand

is enough to tag them.

Cheers,

2009/8/28 Matt Williams 

> 2009/8/28 Arlindo Pereira :
> > Or not even limited to volleyball at all. Here in Rio de Janeiro it is
> very
> > common to play futevôlei ("footvolley", volley played with the foot, not
> > with the hand) in the volleyball pitches.
>
> Indeed. However, in most cases they *are* (beach) volleyball courts.
> That is that when a person looks at one, they think "that's a
> volleyball court" and not "that's some sand that I could play
> volleyball on but I could also play chess". Any local person could
> think, upon seeing a "beach volleyball court" on the map, "I could
> play futevôlei on that".
>
> I think this comes down to 'mapping what is on the ground', i.e. a
> volleyball court. That's not to say, however,  that if the court
> really is appropriate for futevôlei then it shouldn't have some sort
> of extra tag to denote that.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Matt Williams
2009/8/28 Arlindo Pereira :
> Or not even limited to volleyball at all. Here in Rio de Janeiro it is very
> common to play futevôlei ("footvolley", volley played with the foot, not
> with the hand) in the volleyball pitches.

Indeed. However, in most cases they *are* (beach) volleyball courts.
That is that when a person looks at one, they think "that's a
volleyball court" and not "that's some sand that I could play
volleyball on but I could also play chess". Any local person could
think, upon seeing a "beach volleyball court" on the map, "I could
play futevôlei on that".

I think this comes down to 'mapping what is on the ground', i.e. a
volleyball court. That's not to say, however,  that if the court
really is appropriate for futevôlei then it shouldn't have some sort
of extra tag to denote that.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Or not even limited to volleyball at all. Here in Rio de Janeiro it is very
common to play futevôlei ("footvolley", volley played with the foot, not
with the hand) in the volleyball pitches.

:)

Cheers,

2009/8/28 Peteris Krisjanis 

> >> I'd tag it something like this:
> >>
> >> leisure=pitch
> >> sport=beach_volleyball
> >> surface=sand
> >
> > I surveyed one last year
> > (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25866824) and tagged it as:
> >
> > leisure = pitch
> > sport = volleyball
> > surface = sand
> >
> > Perhaps that's a mistagging. I like your schema better.
>
> I would second sport = volleyball, because from my experience those
> pitches are usually not limited to beach_volleyball (two versus two
> players). Sometimes there is is 3v3 or even 5v5.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
>> I'd tag it something like this:
>>
>> leisure=pitch
>> sport=beach_volleyball
>> surface=sand
>
> I surveyed one last year
> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25866824) and tagged it as:
>
> leisure = pitch
> sport = volleyball
> surface = sand
>
> Perhaps that's a mistagging. I like your schema better.

I would second sport = volleyball, because from my experience those
pitches are usually not limited to beach_volleyball (two versus two
players). Sometimes there is is 3v3 or even 5v5.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Craig Wallace wrote:
> On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?
>>
>> I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Valent.
> I'd tag it something like this:
>
> leisure=pitch
> sport=beach_volleyball
> surface=sand

I surveyed one last year
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25866824) and tagged it as:

leisure = pitch
sport = volleyball
surface = sand

Perhaps that's a mistagging. I like your schema better.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Richard Weait :
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smith wrote:
>> 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic :
>>> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?
>>
>> People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers.
>
> But that is tagging for the renderer and hopefully people will change
> over to the proposed golf tags.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Golf_course

this page lists no tag for sand though. (Or is sand rough? I thought
rough was grass/mud/bushes)

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Martin Koppenhoefer :
> 2009/8/28 Richard Weait :
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smith wrote:
>>> 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic :
 Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?
>>>
>>> People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers.
>>
>> But that is tagging for the renderer and hopefully people will change
>> over to the proposed golf tags.
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Golf_course
>
> this page lists no tag for sand though. (Or is sand rough? I thought
> rough was grass/mud/bushes)

I see, sand is called "bunker". Sorry for the noise...

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic :
>> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?
>
> People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers.

But that is tagging for the renderer and hopefully people will change
over to the proposed golf tags.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Golf_course

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Craig Wallace
On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?
>
> I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball
>
> Cheers,
> Valent.
I'd tag it something like this:

leisure=pitch
sport=beach_volleyball
surface=sand



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Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic :
> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts?

People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers.

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