Re: [OSM-talk] EWG policy on including features end users versus mappers
Hello Everybody, I have been talking to Paul off list, and it seems that I misunderstood some of the emails about the POI feature. I mistakenly thought that the POI feature might get rejected because it was focused on end users rather than mappers. This is apparently not the case. Sorry for bothering everybody + EWG with this. Thanks Jason. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, When you talk about Users, who are you talking about? To me, the users of openstreetmap.org are a) mappers, who use the site to veryfiy their work and b) people using (or aiming at using) the data in their projects, mashups, products or papers. I, personally, don't see my neighbour, planning a trip to his parents, as a user of openstreetmap.org *although* he may be a user of the openstreetmap-data, nicely presented in another project. Lets look at some of these downstream projects. In the US, craigslist is a huge site using OSM data right now. 60 million different people a year. Note, nowhere does it say that can EDIT the map and fix a mistake by going to osm.org site. How is somebody supposed to know that? http://boston.craigslist.org/search/aap?useMap=1zoomToPosting=query=srchType=AminAsk=maxAsk=bedrooms= Next up foursquare. https://foursquare.com/explore?cat=foodnear=Pepperell%2C%20MA Again, users of foursquare don't have a clue that they can edit the map! You need to click on the about this map link and land into a very technical blog post that mentions OSM at the end, again without telling people that can EDIT the map. Now, I am very happy that these companies are using the map data, I really am. You can't expect the downstream data users to carry our water for us. We need a map that lots of people use, with a big fat EDIT button at the top. Dumping features from OSM.org because they might be useful for a weekend trip is shooting ourselves in the foot. Could you imagine a world where Wikipedia had a bunch of good looking consumer facing sites without edit buttons with just subtle hints back to a editor only site. We are geo wiki, lets not be afraid to act like one. Thanks Jason. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] EWG policy on including features end users versus mappers
From: Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:38 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] EWG policy on including features end users versus mappers Hi Peter, When you talk about Users, who are you talking about? To me, the users of openstreetmap.org are a) mappers, who use the site to veryfiy their work and b) people using (or aiming at using) the data in their projects, mashups, products or papers. I, personally, don't see my neighbour, planning a trip to his parents, as a user of openstreetmap.org *although* he may be a user of the openstreetmap-data, nicely presented in another project. Lets look at some of these downstream projects. In the US, craigslist is a huge site using OSM data right now. 60 million different people a year. Note, nowhere does it say that can EDIT the map and fix a mistake by going to osm.org site. How is somebody supposed to know that? http://boston.craigslist.org/search/aap?useMap=1zoomToPosting=query=s rchType=AminAsk=maxAsk=bedrooms= Next up foursquare. https://foursquare.com/explore?cat=foodnear=Pepperell%2C%20MA Again, users of foursquare don't have a clue that they can edit the map! You need to click on the about this map link and land into a very technical blog post that mentions OSM at the end, again without telling people that can EDIT the map. Now, I am very happy that these companies are using the map data, I really am. You can't expect the downstream data users to carry our water for us. We need a map that lots of people use, with a big fat EDIT button at the top. Dumping features from OSM.org because they might be useful for a weekend trip is shooting ourselves in the foot. Could you imagine a world where Wikipedia had a bunch of good looking consumer facing sites without edit buttons with just subtle hints back to a editor only site. We are geo wiki, lets not be afraid to act like one. You mentioned the EWG in the title, but I see no reference to it in the text of the body. Also, I'm not familiar with any EWG policy that you're alluding to, but I've missed many meetings with scheduling conflicts. Could you provide a reference? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
