Re: [OSM-talk] Es weihnachtet wieder sehr ....

2014-01-10 Thread Felix Delattre
On 11/08/2013 07:06 AM, Pieren wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Labres  wrote:
>
>> Christmas trees are not an "event".
> If you like. Call it "temporary feature", like tents in camping,
> exhibitions, motor shows, food trucks, etc

Sorry for the noise

I just want to contribute to the conversation that even things that seem
to be obvious like the temporary character of Christmas trees do not
have to be true everywhere. Besides the following information might
amuse some of the readers.

As probably in most places of the christian world Christmas trees are a
"temporary feature", but in Nicaragua we have them as a permanent
phenomena for over 5 years now in the roundabouts of the capital:
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1911496,00.html
This is not just a joke! It actually had a positive effect of recovering
public spaces by the people. The illumination of the places led to an
increased feeling of security and people like to spend their evenings
there (the whole year).

It looks like nobody has mapped them so far. We have to change this! :)
At least we know now that it has to be mapped as "xmas:feature=tree".

Cheers,
Felix

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Re: [OSM-talk] Es weihnachtet wieder sehr ....

2014-01-10 Thread Jan Tappenbeck

Am 08.11.2013 12:17, schrieb Pieren:

2013/11/8 Jan Tappenbeck :

Hoho !

in den letzten Tagen habe ich schon einige Anfragen bekommen - jetzt ist es
wieder soweit die OSM XMAS-Karte [1] wird wieder aktuallisiert und es können
die Daten wieder fleißig nachgeführt werden.


Please, don't tag events in OSM. We don't delete roads when they are
closed for one month. So don't add a christmass tree because it's
there for 3 weeks. Add buildings and/or market places as much as you
want but use apps like umap ([1]) for event map mashups.
I deleted the 6 or 7 of your "xmas:feature" I found in France (mainly
contributed by Germans), all coming from last year and, of course,
never maintained (e.g. obsolete opening dates).

Pieren
BTW, wrong list !

[1] http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/




hi !

this theme is a funny mapping event to use in public relation.

many use this one special event.

regards Jan :-)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Es weihnachtet wieder sehr ...

2013-11-09 Thread pmsg
Hello Pieren

I am (as you) not very interested in Christmas trees, but I got a little
offended by the tone of your answer to the OP. Please stay mellow, even
when some Germans (was it necessary to stress the nationality?) map
Christmas trees in your country.

Pieren  wrote on  Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:06:48 +0100:

>Good point. Since it is not "verifiable" 92% of the time, it has
>nothing to do in OSM.

Just of curiosity: Can you point to me to the place where a consensus about
this has been documented? We have several features in the database which
are either
- temporary and reoccurring OR
- temporary and not reoccurring
and thus
- not verifiable (never) OR
- verifiable, but verifiable less than 100% of the time

Those features should all be deleted? Or is it a bit more nuanced than that?

Nils
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Re: [OSM-talk] Es weihnachtet wieder sehr ....

2013-11-08 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Labres  wrote:

> Christmas trees are not an "event".

If you like. Call it "temporary feature", like tents in camping,
exhibitions, motor shows, food trucks, etc

> I regret you delete features without having verified if they are current or 
> not.

Good point. Since it is not "verifiable" 92% of the time, it has
nothing to do in OSM.

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] Es weihnachtet wieder sehr ....

2013-11-08 Thread Andreas Labres
On 08.11.13 12:17, Pieren wrote:
> Please, don't tag events in OSM.

Christmas trees are not an "event". They are built up on mostly the same spot
every year (at least here in Vienna) and it of course makes sense to map them.

I regret you delete features without having verified if they are current or not.

/al

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Re: [OSM-talk] Es weihnachtet wieder sehr ....

2013-11-08 Thread Pieren
2013/11/8 Jan Tappenbeck :
> Hoho !
>
> in den letzten Tagen habe ich schon einige Anfragen bekommen - jetzt ist es
> wieder soweit die OSM XMAS-Karte [1] wird wieder aktuallisiert und es können
> die Daten wieder fleißig nachgeführt werden.

Please, don't tag events in OSM. We don't delete roads when they are
closed for one month. So don't add a christmass tree because it's
there for 3 weeks. Add buildings and/or market places as much as you
want but use apps like umap ([1]) for event map mashups.
I deleted the 6 or 7 of your "xmas:feature" I found in France (mainly
contributed by Germans), all coming from last year and, of course,
never maintained (e.g. obsolete opening dates).

Pieren
BTW, wrong list !

[1] http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/

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