Re: [OSM-talk] I big jump in new users and user activity.
Frederik Ramm wrote: Later I had a situation where Potlatch continually complained that I wasn't logged in while the screen still showed my user name in the top right corner - session expiry perhaps? Were you using the same login on two machines? Potlatch uses the same token as the rest of the Rails site, rather than a JOSM-like separate auth - the SWF doesn't even know your username or password, it just has the token. So if you started a session on one machine, then one on another, the second instance would effectively log the first one out; and because the Rails site doesn't do a AJAXy periodic refresh for the user name at the top right (after all, why would it?), that wouldn't change. - On another occasion I would have liked a short session expiry, when out of the corner of my eye I spotted some visitors having fun at one of our machines, and suddenly realised they had Potlatch open... and it was NOT in play mode ;-) I explained to them that they were just editing our database which they found a bit hard to believe. You shouldn't have to explain, it says it on the splash screen[1]... unless you've ticked Don't show this again, that is. ;) cheers Richard [1] localisation welcome! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Richard Fairhurst wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Later I had a situation where Potlatch continually complained that I wasn't logged in while the screen still showed my user name in the top right corner - session expiry perhaps? Were you using the same login on two machines? Potlatch uses the same token as the rest of the Rails site, rather than a JOSM-like separate auth - the SWF doesn't even know your username or password, it just has the token. So if you started a session on one machine, then one on another, the second instance would effectively log the first one out; and because the Rails site doesn't do a AJAXy periodic refresh for the user name at the top right (after all, why would it?), that wouldn't change. Um... no. First up there is nothing to stop you being logged in on more than one machine at once. I do it all the time. Secondly a user can have more than one token at a time and any one of them is sufficient to have full access to the api. What actually happens with Potlatch is that the server checks the session (which is tied to the client browser instance by a cookie) for a token and if it doesn't find one it creates one and saves it in the session. That token is then embedded in the edit page as a parameter to the Potlatch applet. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I big jump in new users and user activity.
I've been tracking the number of new users who go further than just registering and actually do some editing. Its normally a relatively constant number, but has more than tripled in the last week or so. I'll try and put up some actual figures later today. 80n On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the heise online article of 23rd May [1] the stats charts[2] are showing a big change in the user activity statistics. The jump is the biggest in the history of the project and the trend appears to be continuing. My predition of 100,000 registered users by the end of the year will probably be reached somewhat sooner J [1] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/GPS-Geraete-kostenlos-fuer-OpenStreetMap-Aktionen--/meldung/108392 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Stats#Database_Statistics_-_Graphical Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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El Lunes, 2 de Junio de 2008, 80n escribió: I've been tracking the number of new users who go further than just registering and actually do some editing. It's normally a relatively constant number, but has more than tripled in the last week or so. mandatory slashdot joke I, for one, welcome our new german overlords. /mandatory slashdot joke -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.24-1-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.9, and PHP 5.2.6-1 generating this signature. Uptime: 15:36:10 up 10 days, 3:08, 4 users, load average: 0.38, 0.36, 0.37 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I big jump in new users and user activity.
Hi, Since the heise online article of 23rd May [1] the stats charts[2] are showing a big change in the user activity statistics. The jump is the biggest in the history of the project and the trend appears to be continuing. My predition of 100,000 registered users by the end of the year will probably be reached somewhat sooner J The article in the printed Spiegel is more likely to be responsible. Spiegel is one of our two biggest weekly news magazines, with a circulation of more than 1 million. This may seem a small number compared to the page impressions we're used to deal with, but it's a real paper thing that people actually pay money for, it lies on the waiting room tables of countless GP practices and so on... it's as mainstream as it gets. As you have probably noticed, the article went public on their online portal some time last week, and that spike was even higher than the Heise spike in the Munin graphs. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Frederik Ramm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent: 02 June 2008 2:45 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] I big jump in new users and user activity. Hi, Since the heise online article of 23rd May [1] the stats charts[2] are showing a big change in the user activity statistics. The jump is the biggest in the history of the project and the trend appears to be continuing. My predition of 100,000 registered users by the end of the year will probably be reached somewhat sooner J The article in the printed Spiegel is more likely to be responsible. Spiegel is one of our two biggest weekly news magazines, with a circulation of more than 1 million. This may seem a small number compared to the page impressions we're used to deal with, but it's a real paper thing that people actually pay money for, it lies on the waiting room tables of countless GP practices and so on... it's as mainstream as it gets. I'm not sure if that tallies. The jump is discernable and continuous from the stats on the 24th (ie data for the 23rd) and the printed edition came out on the 26th according to the wiki. As you have probably noticed, the article went public on their online portal some time last week, and that spike was even higher than the Heise spike in the Munin graphs. We should always make the distinction between visitors to the website and OSM database activity (edits). The first does not necessarily reflect the other and vice versa. Cheers Andy Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: mandatory slashdot joke I, for one, welcome our new german overlords. /mandatory slashdot joke Though we can only 100% definitively prove that the new arrivals are Germans if the number of complaints about Potlatch triples, too. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: mandatory slashdot joke I, for one, welcome our new german overlords. /mandatory slashdot joke Though we can only 100% definitively prove that the new arrivals are Germans if the number of complaints about Potlatch triples, too. Yeah ;) Since version 9 or even 8 I like Potlatch more than JOSM because you can do many things very fast. Nevertheless using Potlatch I destroy data unintentionally because undo does not work, or I'm too stupid to undo mistakes early enough or because Internet latency causes some strange results (mostly duplicated ways). People also seem to have trouble to join ways properly. I often must connect Potlatch created ways. -- Karl Eichwalder ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Karl Eichwalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: mandatory slashdot joke I, for one, welcome our new german overlords. /mandatory slashdot joke Though we can only 100% definitively prove that the new arrivals are Germans if the number of complaints about Potlatch triples, too. Yeah ;) Since version 9 or even 8 I like Potlatch more than JOSM because you can do many things very fast. Nevertheless using Potlatch I destroy data unintentionally because undo does not work, or I'm too stupid to undo mistakes early enough or because Internet latency causes some strange results (mostly duplicated ways). People also seem to have trouble to join ways properly. I often must connect Potlatch created ways. One of those things... JOSM has the opposite problem: it frequently connects things that aren't connected without me noticing (I need a caps-lock for the control key) - then disconnecting them again is much faster in potlatch. I've found a few of these in the wild. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Dave Stubbs schrieb: One of those things... JOSM has the opposite problem: it frequently connects things that aren't connected without me noticing (I need a caps-lock for the control key) - then disconnecting them again is much faster in potlatch. I've found a few of these in the wild. Yes, I also think default settings in JOSM are rather aggressive. But because it does not manipulate data live on the server, it is not that dangerous. Careful users would simply stay away from uploading broken data. -- Karl Eichwalder ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Hi, mandatory slashdot joke I, for one, welcome our new german overlords. /mandatory slashdot joke Though we can only 100% definitively prove that the new arrivals are Germans if the number of complaints about Potlatch triples, too. Not really, they were shown how to use JOSM at the LinuxTag :P I doubt this will prevent them from complaining about Potlatch; they are whining and complaining all day. Even if you give them a perfect product, they will keep nitpicking. I need to know that, as I am one of them ;-) . Cheers, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 08:07:57PM +0200, Karl Eichwalder wrote: Since version 9 or even 8 I like Potlatch more than JOSM because you can do many things very fast. Nevertheless using Potlatch I destroy data unintentionally because undo does not work, or I'm too stupid to undo mistakes early enough or because Internet latency causes some strange results (mostly duplicated ways). People also seem to have trouble to join ways properly. I often must connect Potlatch created ways. Same here - i often find unconnected ways (crossing ways) with josm where the original contributer used potlatch. Are there number on how many edits happen with the different editors to get the wrong edits into perspective? Flo -- Florian Lohoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49-171-2280134 Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither - Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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We need a new list, editwanking maybe? ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm Sent: 02 June 2008 10:26 PM To: Florian Lohoff Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] I big jump in new users and user activity. Hi, People also seem to have trouble to join ways properly. I often must connect Potlatch created ways. Same here - i often find unconnected ways (crossing ways) with josm where the original contributer used potlatch. I can top that. I CREATE unconnected ways with Potlatch! During LinuxTag I often had to fire up Potlatch because one of our machines didn't have JOSM installed. The person I was presenting to was usually treated to a first-hand experience of toggling between the edit view and the First Steps wiki page ;-) and I guess I created a number of unconnected ways initially. Later I had a situation where Potlatch continually complained that I wasn't logged in while the screen still showed my user name in the top right corner - session expiry perhaps? - On another occasion I would have liked a short session expiry, when out of the corner of my eye I spotted some visitors having fun at one of our machines, and suddenly realised they had Potlatch open... and it was NOT in play mode ;-) I explained to them that they were just editing our database which they found a bit hard to believe. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.5/1479 - Release Date: 02/06/2008 7:02 PM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I big jump in new users and user activity.
Hi, People also seem to have trouble to join ways properly. I often must connect Potlatch created ways. Same here - i often find unconnected ways (crossing ways) with josm where the original contributer used potlatch. I can top that. I CREATE unconnected ways with Potlatch! During LinuxTag I often had to fire up Potlatch because one of our machines didn't have JOSM installed. The person I was presenting to was usually treated to a first-hand experience of toggling between the edit view and the First Steps wiki page ;-) and I guess I created a number of unconnected ways initially. Later I had a situation where Potlatch continually complained that I wasn't logged in while the screen still showed my user name in the top right corner - session expiry perhaps? - On another occasion I would have liked a short session expiry, when out of the corner of my eye I spotted some visitors having fun at one of our machines, and suddenly realised they had Potlatch open... and it was NOT in play mode ;-) I explained to them that they were just editing our database which they found a bit hard to believe. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Am Montag, 2. Juni 2008 20:52:08 schrieb Christoph Eckert: Hi, mandatory slashdot joke I, for one, welcome our new german overlords. /mandatory slashdot joke Though we can only 100% definitively prove that the new arrivals are Germans if the number of complaints about Potlatch triples, too. Not really, they were shown how to use JOSM at the LinuxTag :P I doubt this will prevent them from complaining about Potlatch; they are whining and complaining all day. Even if you give them a perfect product, they will keep nitpicking. I need to know that, as I am one of them ;-) . Cheers, ce So this means those Krauts from LinuxTag will neccessarily complain about JOSM all day long since they do not know Potlach at all? :-p ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
