Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-10-23 14:40 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole :

> Yes, but the point is that we don't actually give any guidance as to what
> we would consider sufficient notice if a link is not possible (as in your
> typical book or film) and we should add some text as to what we are happy
> with (I suspect that it might boil down to requiring a typed out link).



ok. But regardless the possibilities of linking, in no way "(c) OSM
contributors" makes "clear that the data is available under the Open
Database License"

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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Pine W]

My reading of https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright is that, under the
current terms, printing the link to that page in addition to printing “©
OpenStreetMap contributors” would be sufficient. However, I do wonder
whether a credit like "“© OpenStreetMap contributors, licensed under
https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright"; might give the mistaken impression
that a production paid for a license, so perhaps it would be good to
further specify that the text "The data is available under the Open
Database License, and the cartography is licensed under Creative Commons
Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0" would be preferred. This might improve the
visibility of the open licensing scheme.

Pine

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Yes, but the point is that we don't actually give any guidance as to what
> we would consider sufficient notice if a link is not possible (as in your
> typical book or film) and we should add some text as to what we are happy
> with (I suspect that it might boil down to requiring a typed out link).
>
> Simon
>
> Am 23.10.2016 um 05:07 schrieb Pine W:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Not quite. Per "https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright";, licensees "must
> also make it clear that the data is available under the Open Database
> License, and if using our map tiles, that the cartography is licensed as CC
> BY-SA. You may do this by linking to this copyright page
> ."
>
> So, while noting “© OpenStreetMap contributors”, is a good start, it's
> insufficient to fulfill the terms of the license.
>
> I would expect that a project with a cost of about $75 million would have
> plenty of resources with which to do legal research and completely fulfill
> the terms of the license.
>
> Pine
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
>> “© OpenStreetMap contributors” has been the suggested attribtion text
>> since day one post licence change (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/c
>> opyright and http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal
>> _FAQ ). While you could argue that the OSMF is wrong headed to ask for
>> that, you defintely can't complain about the productions.
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 22.10.2016 um 07:00 schrieb Pine W:
>>
>> With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this certainly
>> have the resources to get the credits and licensing right, so there is no
>> excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM Foundation have lawyers or
>> communications staff who would be in a good position to address this issue
>> with the responsible parties?
>>
>> Pine
>>
>> [1] https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-infe
>> rno-international-1201890418/
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar"  wrote:
>>
>>> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits and
>>> this is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The credit
>>> went “© OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention of any license
>>> again.
>>>
>>> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films, linked
>>> from the "Press" wiki page[2].
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
>>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
>>>
>>> ~Eugene
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
 Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
 see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
 credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
 in the film that looked like it came from OSM.

 IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
 contributors”. No mention of any license though.

 Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
 also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
 seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
 mailing list.

 ~Eugene

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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Simon Poole]

Yes, but the point is that we don't actually give any guidance as to
what we would consider sufficient notice if a link is not possible (as
in your typical book or film) and we should add some text as to what we
are happy with (I suspect that it might boil down to requiring a typed
out link).

Simon


Am 23.10.2016 um 05:07 schrieb Pine W:
> Hi Simon,
>
> Not quite. Per "https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright";, licensees
> "must also make it clear that the data is available under the Open
> Database License, and if using our map tiles, that the cartography is
> licensed as CC BY-SA. You may do this by linking to this copyright
> page ."
>
> So, while noting “© OpenStreetMap contributors”, is a good start, it's
> insufficient to fulfill the terms of the license.
>
> I would expect that a project with a cost of about $75 million would
> have plenty of resources with which to do legal research and
> completely fulfill the terms of the license.
>
> Pine
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Simon Poole  > wrote:
>
> “© OpenStreetMap contributors” has been the suggested attribtion
> text since day one post licence change (see
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>  and
> http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ
> 
> ). While you could argue that the OSMF is wrong headed to ask for
> that, you defintely can't complain about the productions.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 22.10.2016 um 07:00 schrieb Pine W:
>>
>> With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this
>> certainly have the resources to get the credits and licensing
>> right, so there is no excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM
>> Foundation have lawyers or communications staff who would be in a
>> good position to address this issue with the responsible parties?
>>
>> Pine
>>
>> [1]
>> 
>> https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-inferno-international-1201890418/
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar" > > wrote:
>>
>> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end
>> credits and this is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel
>> Inferno. The credit went “© OpenStreetMap contributors”.
>> There was no mention of any license again.
>>
>> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these
>> films, linked from the "Press" wiki page[2].
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
>> 
>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
>> 
>>
>> ~Eugene
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar
>> mailto:sea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren
>> and Alan
>> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly
>> surprised to
>> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in
>> the end
>> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall
>> seeing any map
>> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
>>
>> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
>> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
>>
>> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream
>> films that
>> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the
>> first time I've
>> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well
>> on this
>> mailing list.
>>
>> ~Eugene
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Pine W]

Hi Simon,

Not quite. Per "https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright";, licensees "must
also make it clear that the data is available under the Open Database
License, and if using our map tiles, that the cartography is licensed as CC
BY-SA. You may do this by linking to this copyright page
."

So, while noting “© OpenStreetMap contributors”, is a good start, it's
insufficient to fulfill the terms of the license.

I would expect that a project with a cost of about $75 million would have
plenty of resources with which to do legal research and completely fulfill
the terms of the license.

Pine

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> “© OpenStreetMap contributors” has been the suggested attribtion text
> since day one post licence change (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/
> copyright and http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_
> Legal_FAQ ). While you could argue that the OSMF is wrong headed to ask
> for that, you defintely can't complain about the productions.
> Simon
>
>
> Am 22.10.2016 um 07:00 schrieb Pine W:
>
> With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this certainly
> have the resources to get the credits and licensing right, so there is no
> excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM Foundation have lawyers or
> communications staff who would be in a good position to address this issue
> with the responsible parties?
>
> Pine
>
> [1] https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-
> inferno-international-1201890418/
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar"  wrote:
>
>> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits and
>> this is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The credit
>> went “© OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention of any license
>> again.
>>
>> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films, linked
>> from the "Press" wiki page[2].
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
>>
>> ~Eugene
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
>>> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
>>> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
>>> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
>>> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
>>>
>>> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
>>> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
>>>
>>> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
>>> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
>>> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> ~Eugene
>>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Simon Poole]

“© OpenStreetMap contributors” has been the suggested attribtion text
since day one post licence change (see
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright and
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ ).
While you could argue that the OSMF is wrong headed to ask for that, you
defintely can't complain about the productions.

Simon

Am 22.10.2016 um 07:00 schrieb Pine W:
>
> With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this
> certainly have the resources to get the credits and licensing right,
> so there is no excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM Foundation have
> lawyers or communications staff who would be in a good position to
> address this issue with the responsible parties?
>
> Pine
>
> [1]
> https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-inferno-international-1201890418/
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar"  > wrote:
>
> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits
> and this is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The
> credit went “© OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention
> of any license again.
>
> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films,
> linked from the "Press" wiki page[2].
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
> 
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
> 
>
> ~Eugene
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar
> mailto:sea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly
> surprised to
> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing
> any map
> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
>
> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
>
> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films
> that
> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first
> time I've
> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
> mailing list.
>
> ~Eugene
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Pine W]

With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this certainly
have the resources to get the credits and licensing right, so there is no
excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM Foundation have lawyers or
communications staff who would be in a good position to address this issue
with the responsible parties?

Pine

[1]
https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-inferno-international-1201890418/

On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar"  wrote:

> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits and this
> is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The credit went “©
> OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention of any license again.
>
> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films, linked from
> the "Press" wiki page[2].
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
>
> ~Eugene
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
>> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
>> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
>> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
>> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
>>
>> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
>> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
>>
>> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
>> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
>> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
>> mailing list.
>>
>> ~Eugene
>>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits and this
is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The credit went “©
OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention of any license again.

I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films, linked from
the "Press" wiki page[2].

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press

~Eugene


On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
>
> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
>
> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
> mailing list.
>
> ~Eugene
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

the wiki has this list where you can add examples of OSM use in the media:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_in_the_media

one example from German TV (fiction, not docu) was mentioned here by Frederik 
(screenshot linked): 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2015-May/111079.html

In 2004 OSM appeared in the popular (in Germany) tv film series Tatort: 
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=27232

And there have been more, you can find them mentioned in the archives...

Just found this list now: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_in_deutschen_TV-Produktionen

cheers,
Martin 





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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Richard Weait]

An episode of K9 used an OpenStreetMap screen in a chase sequence.
They fumbled the credit during production, but added an IMDB credit
after LWG contacted them.  :-)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1504317/companycredits?ref_=ttspec_sa_5

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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Philip Barnes]

I remember seeing an in the field  history programme which was in London,  
can't remember the name but it was with Dan Snow. They used a big print os OSM, 
A0 plus I think.
OSM was credited in the closing titles.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Fri Jul 22 08:12:16 2016 GMT+0100, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
> 
> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
> 
> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
> mailing list.
> 
> ~Eugene
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