Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Nic Roets wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been told that the yahoo license permits derivative works which also is the reason why potlatch and josm are making use of this. Wouldn't a server distrubuting slightly converted/scales/cropped images not also provide just derivative work? Perhaps. Or do they just allow derivation of vector data by hand ? I have not been involved in that, but this is what I believe. Yahoo checked our usage and said (from memory, no guarantee): As long as you use the web API (ie access the tiles from within a browser, deriving vector data is ok from those tiles. I would be *very surprised* if converting,scaling and cropping were tolerable by Yahoo. Indeed, I am pretty much sure it would not be OK. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Yahoos license seem to allow this Tell me more? I've been told that the yahoo license permits derivative works which also is the reason why potlatch and josm are making use of this. Wouldn't a server distrubuting slightly converted/scales/cropped images not also provide just derivative work? Well, derivative work means you can create things like roads, poi ON TOP of their tiles. It doesn't allow to rip their tiles, converted/scales/cropped them and re-serve the modified ones. see Yahho Mapsterms of use: http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/maps/mapstou/mapstou-278.html Regards - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Hi, Am Sonntag 07 Dezember 2008 schrieb Chris Browet: It doesn't allow to rip their tiles, converted/scales/cropped them and re-serve the modified ones. Ok, but that's exactly what the josm plugin also does. So i assume it's ok to use such a server internally without providing them to the public. You could even run it on the device itself. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
The Yahoo guys are happy with OSM using their imagery, but we just don't know about microsoft. AFAIK, even if Yahoo! tolerates that OSM uses their satellite imagery, they still insist we use their own AJAX API to do so. As Frederik pointed out for JOSM, it is a PITA for Merkaartor to show Yahoo maps thru a javascript API rather than going straight to the tiles, but it is what we have to do. IMHO, even if a potential Yahoo WMS proxy uses their API, I don't think OSM using the WMS would meet their condition of use. (For the record: I have my doubts about Google maps imagery) I'm pretty sure Google denies any derivative work on their imagery. Same for Microsoft. Regards - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 12:22:33AM +0100, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Viernes, 5 de Diciembre de 2008, Niccolo Rigacci escribió: How much different is Yahoo imagery protocol from Microsoft VirtualEarth [1] one? It's not about the protocol or the API, it's about the license. The Yahoo guys are happy with OSM using their imagery, but we just don't know about microsoft. Microsoft does not allow to use VirtualEarth for OpenStreetMap. This is why I don't use my VirtualEarth-WMS proxy. But if we can use the same proxy on Yahoo API, it can be very interesting. -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Hi, Niccolo Rigacci wrote: Microsoft does not allow to use VirtualEarth for OpenStreetMap. This is why I don't use my VirtualEarth-WMS proxy. But if we can use the same proxy on Yahoo API, it can be very interesting. Still it would violate Yahoo's terms of use and endanger the whole Yahoo cooperation. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Hi, Am Donnerstag 04 Dezember 2008 schrieb Frederik Ramm: None that I'm aware of. We're going through a lot of pain with JOSM to display Yahoo background images, and we wouldn't do that if there was a WMS. I wonder why the ywms plugin is a plugin at all as it sounds like it's exaclty the type of server i am asking for. Yahoos license seem to allow this Tell me more? I've been told that the yahoo license permits derivative works which also is the reason why potlatch and josm are making use of this. Wouldn't a server distrubuting slightly converted/scales/cropped images not also provide just derivative work? Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been told that the yahoo license permits derivative works which also is the reason why potlatch and josm are making use of this. Wouldn't a server distrubuting slightly converted/scales/cropped images not also provide just derivative work? Perhaps. Or do they just allow derivation of vector data by hand ? But Y! is under no obligation to serve anyone with images. And who knows exactly what their business plan is and what they regard as value creation for their shareholders. So if you go ahead with this, make it very clear that Y! is the source and OSM has not encouraged you to do it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Hi, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: I wonder why the ywms plugin is a plugin at all as it sounds like it's exaclty the type of server i am asking for. It isn't anything near WMS compliant though. I've been told that the yahoo license permits derivative works Not in this breadth, no. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 From: Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server? To: talk@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, is there a stand-alone yahoo WMS server? Yahoos license seem to allow this and some users of my osm2go ask for yahoo images. Going through a wms server would be the easiest and cleanest solution i think. Thanks, Till And would allow me to trace from Yahoo! images when stealing time off work. The systems on work doesn't allow the Yahoo WMS plugin in JOSM to work correctly, and I cannot use my private computer. I seriously think of buying a broadband dongle just to download email and use Yahoo images in JOSM. Just think of it, almost out of landsat details in my state, and no Yahoo for 5 weeks! And also, no chance to get another GPX track for at least 5 weeks either. -- Brgds Aun Johnsen (Over Web Mail) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:13:59PM +0100, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: is there a stand-alone yahoo WMS server? Yahoos license seem to allow this and some users of my osm2go ask for yahoo images. Going through a wms server would be the easiest and cleanest solution i think. How much different is Yahoo imagery protocol from Microsoft VirtualEarth [1] one? I wrote a WMS proxy for VE, I can provide the PHP :-( code! Just install Apache and copy the php code. Unfortunately VE is not usable for OSM, due VirtualEarth license restriction. [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb259689.aspx -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
El Viernes, 5 de Diciembre de 2008, Niccolo Rigacci escribió: How much different is Yahoo imagery protocol from Microsoft VirtualEarth [1] one? It's not about the protocol or the API, it's about the license. The Yahoo guys are happy with OSM using their imagery, but we just don't know about microsoft. (For the record: I have my doubts about Google maps imagery) Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.9, and PHP 5.2.6-5 generating this signature. Uptime: 00:21:10 up 6 days, 6:42, 1 user, load average: 0.50, 0.45, 0.50 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Hi, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: is there a stand-alone yahoo WMS server? None that I'm aware of. We're going through a lot of pain with JOSM to display Yahoo background images, and we wouldn't do that if there was a WMS. Yahoos license seem to allow this Tell me more? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
