Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
2018-07-16 10:38 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > A grandstand, even with no roof, is a building. The seating area is on a > solid floor. Underneath you will often find changing rooms, toilets, food > stalls. > no roof above the seating, but "underneath" would have a roof. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
Bleachers, at least based on watching American movies, are a simple open frame structure that you can walk underneath and see through the gaps. A grandstand, even with no roof, is a building. The seating area is on a solid floor. Underneath you will often find changing rooms, toilets, food stalls. Phil (trigpoint) On 16 July 2018 07:01:40 BST, "Tomasz Wójcik" wrote: >Thank you all for response. > >Basing on most voices, the output is to left building=grandstand for >tribunes with roof or walls and leisure=bleachers for open-air ones. >I'll add proper information and examples on a OSM Wiki pages of both >tags. > > >___ >talk mailing list >talk@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
Thank you all for response. Basing on most voices, the output is to left building=grandstand for tribunes with roof or walls and leisure=bleachers for open-air ones. I'll add proper information and examples on a OSM Wiki pages of both tags. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
The important part of that past talk thread was the question as to changing the wiki grandstand definition to say that it must have a roof rather than usually has a roof. Unfortunately both the Oxford Dictionary and Wikipedia say 'usually roofed'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandstand So what 'grandstands' have no roof??? And then how are they distinguished from 'bleachers'??? On 14/07/18 20:36, Marc Gemis wrote: You asked the exact same question in April 2018 on the tagging mailing list, not ? I like the response Philip Barnes gave you back then: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-April/035662.html. bleachers = open structures, without walls, grandstands with walls, roofs and often for professional sports. m. On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 8:26 AM Tomasz Wójcik wrote: Currently, we (de facto) have 2 tags for the same feature, which is not a proper state. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building=grandstand https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=bleachers I think we should choose the correct one andadd warning moving mappers to the proper one on OSM Wiki. Building=grandstand is not perfect for me, beacuse building=* tag suggest that is some kind of typical building (with walls, roof, etc.) and most of the OSM styles render building=grandstand like every other buildings, where you can go inside, which may be confusing with grandstands areas. On the other hand we have leisure=bleachers , when the "bleachers" word is propably used only in USA. What do you think about it? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
You asked the exact same question in April 2018 on the tagging mailing list, not ? I like the response Philip Barnes gave you back then: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-April/035662.html. bleachers = open structures, without walls, grandstands with walls, roofs and often for professional sports. m. On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 8:26 AM Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > > Currently, we (de facto) have 2 tags for the same feature, which is not a > proper state. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building=grandstand > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=bleachers > > I think we should choose the correct one andadd warning moving mappers to the > proper one on OSM Wiki. > > Building=grandstand is not perfect for me, beacuse building=* tag suggest > that is some kind of typical building (with walls, roof, etc.) and most of > the OSM styles render building=grandstand like every other buildings, where > you can go inside, which may be confusing with grandstands areas. On the > other hand we have leisure=bleachers , when the "bleachers" word is propably > used only in USA. > > What do you think about it? > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
On 14/07/18 07:23, Tomasz Wójcik wrote: Building=grandstand is not perfect for me, beacuse building=* tag suggest that is some kind of typical building (with walls, roof, etc.) and most of the OSM styles render building=grandstand like every other buildings, where you can go inside, which may be confusing with grandstands areas. On the other hand we have leisure=bleachers , when the "bleachers" word is propably used only in USA. What do you think about it? Many of these are a compromise, but I would expect more tags not less. The problem with these two are they span different 'domains' as a number of others do. A built structure is a 'building', and there are a range of structures covering seating, so grandstand, covered_seating, open_seating ... move the leisure tag to a more appropriate tag? In addition, many of these can well be temporary structures for a particular event but present for some time perhaps every year. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
sent from a phone > On 14. Jul 2018, at 08:23, Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > > Building=grandstand is not perfect for me, beacuse building=* tag suggest > that is some kind of typical building (with walls, roof, etc.) according to the description and the picture, grandstand has a roof. > and most of the OSM styles render building=grandstand like every other > buildings, where you can go inside, which may be confusing with grandstands > areas. On the other hand we have leisure=bleachers , when the "bleachers" > word is propably used only in USA. bleachers according to the picture do not have a roof but are simply raised rows of seating? Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
To me a grandstand has a roof and probably a back wall. A 'bleacher' has no roof nor walls .. it is simply seating totally exposed to the elements. On 14/07/18 16:23, Tomasz Wójcik wrote: Currently, we (de facto) have 2 tags for the same feature, which is not a proper state. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building=grandstand https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=bleachers I think we should choose the correct one andadd warning moving mappers to the proper one on OSM Wiki. Building=grandstand is not perfect for me, beacuse building=* tag suggest that is some kind of typical building (with walls, roof, etc.) and most of the OSM styles render building=grandstand like every other buildings, where you can go inside, which may be confusing with grandstands areas. On the other hand we have leisure=bleachers , when the "bleachers" word is propably used only in USA. What do you think about it? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018, 08:26 Tomasz Wójcik, wrote: > Currently, we (de facto) have 2 tags for the same feature, which is not a > proper state. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building=grandstand > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=bleachers > > I think we should choose the correct one andadd warning moving mappers to > the proper one on OSM Wiki. > > Building=grandstand is not perfect for me, beacuse building=* tag suggest > that is some kind of typical building (with walls, roof, etc.) and most of > the OSM styles render building=grandstand like every other buildings, where > you can go inside, which may be confusing with grandstands areas. On the > other hand we have leisure=bleachers , when the "bleachers" word is > propably used only in USA. > > What do you think about it? > Well, also building=roof doesn't have walls :) Bleachers as the wiki says is American English, while the tags usually are British English. Taginfo shows bleachers used mainly in USA. Ciao, Stefano ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
