Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Eric Pritchette...@bitsofclever.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I recently donated openmaps.org to the Open Street Map Foundation. Everyone here is doing a great job with this project and I thought you could make better use of the domain. One thing needs to be said but doesn't seem to have been done properly here: Thanks Eric, that's very generous and much appreciated. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
Eric Pritchett wrote: I'm sure there are more advantages, There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On Jun 16, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Eric Pritchett wrote: * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused project. I think this would be the most important. It's amazing what a name can do. Sometimes you pick a name that has drawbacks. But everybody knows what the name means, and understands the product behind it. Take, for example, Open Source. It was chosen to be descriptive; not a good idea if you want to use it as a trademark. Free Software has its own drawbacks if you want people to think about freedom rather than price. I try to emphasize that OSM is about geodata SUCH AS streets, just like the mission statement says. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
SteveC wrote: On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote: Eric Pritchett wrote: I'm sure there are more advantages, There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) There isn't on openstreetmap either. Ok, the first time they refused it: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154 But since you tried again in two categories... http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859 I think you should add 'yet'. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On 16 Jun 2009, at 14:15, Stefan de Konink wrote: SteveC wrote: On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote: Eric Pritchett wrote: I'm sure there are more advantages, There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) There isn't on openstreetmap either. Ok, the first time they refused it: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154 But since you tried again in two categories... http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859 I think you should add 'yet'. Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name in the UK and Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not me. Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-) Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
Hi, Stefan de Konink wrote: Ok, the first time they refused it: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154 But since you tried again in two categories... http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859 To the best of my knowledge, community trademarks are somewhat transactional - if they fail in one country, they fail altogether [*]. Thus even if the community application has not technically been refused yet, it would be rather unusual for it to go through. Personally, I think that a failed trademarking attempt is the best that could happen to us. This practically guarantees that nobody can take the name away from us (because they'd have to get a trademark for this and they won't), and at the same time does not give anyone, even if inside our community, the power and responsibility to tell the others what they may and may not do with the name. Sort of anarchy. Bye Frederik [*] This is different from international trademarks, where you pick the countries you want to apply in, and if it fails in half of them you've still got the trademark in the other half. -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
SteveC wrote: Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name So 'mark' means to me 'name' so OpenStreetMap was protected if it was granted, yes? in the UK and Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not me. I thought you did 'something' in the foundation too ;) Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-) In your country it seems that companies can apply, and not persons on their private home addresses ;) KT13 9DP != CR5 3QZ But I am far too happy to be aggressive tonight :D The Dutch tax service was so nice :) Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On 16 Jun 2009, at 14:27, Stefan de Konink wrote: SteveC wrote: Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name So 'mark' means to me 'name' so OpenStreetMap was protected if it was granted, yes? If, yes. in the UK and Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not me. I thought you did 'something' in the foundation too ;) Yeah, but now the OSMF is liable, not me. Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-) In your country it seems that companies can apply, and not persons on their private home addresses ;) KT13 9DP != CR5 3QZ Next I'm going to wake up in the morning and you'll be outside my house, stalking me :-O Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:09 PM, SteveC wrote: On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote: Eric Pritchett wrote: I'm sure there are more advantages, There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) There isn't on openstreetmap either. My understanding is that in the US a trademark on a product is created by doing trade, whereas in Europe it's created by registering. Seems to me like the OSMF has a trademark on a collection of geodata called OpenStreetMap(tm), at least in the US. It's easier to lose a trademark than to gain one, though. Easiest way to lose one is to claim that you don't have a trademark on it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
SteveC wrote: Next I'm going to wake up in the morning and you'll be outside my house, stalking me :-O Not to worry, Saturday we started a project to have the Chamber of Commerce in The Netherlands to be open 24x7 (like your patent office they close at night). I have already 1544818 persons to stalk in the morning, before I'll be at your place. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
