Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:29:52 +1030 Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:46:44 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). There were a couple of problems:-] * Gruyere and 'Wandin North - Bar' in Victoria, which I *believe* I have fixed * Beatrice and Ellinjaa in Queensland which are too complex for me to fix as I don't have local knowledge cheers That made a serious difference the the speed of things, wow. Now to resolve the differences between my own boundary work and the ABS stuff in northern adelaide, and at a first glance I must say I'm glad I told you to upload the data anyway, because there's a couple of places where I think the ABS is more correct than my results (and a few the other way also of course ;) Going to be fun correlating the two. :) Futher poking around I've found the 'Unclassified SA' 'suburb', containing over 100 segments scattered all over the state, I assume most other states will have a similar object, what's the thoughts of everyone on this case? Is it really needed? (I assume it's just a category in the ABS data that's come across wholesale). Seems to me anything not in side a suburb boundary would be considered unclassified anyway? -- =b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
Hi Franc, Great job. One thing I've noticed, in my area anyway (Whitsundays), is that it's given the outlines of some of the national parks. Cape Conway NP but not Dryander NP. So these could be updated as part of the relation as well. Having said that what would be the best way to go about it, tag etc. -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:46:44 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). There were a couple of problems:-] * Gruyere and 'Wandin North - Bar' in Victoria, which I *believe* I have fixed * Beatrice and Ellinjaa in Queensland which are too complex for me to fix as I don't have local knowledge cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
[snip] That made a serious difference the the speed of things, wow. Yep, latency is really nasty for this sort of thing Now to resolve the differences between my own boundary work and the ABS stuff in northern adelaide, and at a first glance I must say I'm glad I told you to upload the data anyway, because there's a couple of places where I think the ABS is more correct than my results (and a few the other way also of course ;) Going to be fun correlating the two. :) Yes, my head is spinning even from the small number of bit I have looked at. A friend very conveniently recently moved to the street that appears to define a border in the area I am in. However here address is the 'other' suburb from what the ABS data says. To throw a spanner in the works the ABS data seem very reasonable from my local knowledge, so the question is how to find out which is 'right' cheers -- =b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
[snip] Futher poking around I've found the 'Unclassified SA' 'suburb', containing over 100 segments scattered all over the state, I assume most other states will have a similar object, what's the thoughts of everyone on this case? Is it really needed? (I assume it's just a category in the ABS data that's come across wholesale). Seems to me anything not in side a suburb boundary would be considered unclassified anyway? I noticed a small number of those in NSW and decided to ignore them and just put them, that might have been a bad idea ;-( cheers -- =b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:38:40 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Futher poking around I've found the 'Unclassified SA' 'suburb', containing over 100 segments scattered all over the state, I assume most other states will have a similar object, what's the thoughts of everyone on this case? Is it really needed? (I assume it's just a category in the ABS data that's come across wholesale). Seems to me anything not in side a suburb boundary would be considered unclassified anyway? I noticed a small number of those in NSW and decided to ignore them and just put them, that might have been a bad idea ;-( LOL, Well I guess we just need to decide if a 'unclassified' suburb is appropriate or not. If we decide it's not we blow away the relation and problem solved :) Or if keep it should we somehow flag it slightly differently so that we know it's not an actual suburb called 'Unclassified', although there are weirder names around ;) -- =b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
Yep, sounds like a sensible approach. I'm inclined towards leaving them in and adding a tag as deleting them feels like 'information loss', which I have biases against . . . . cheers On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:38:40 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Futher poking around I've found the 'Unclassified SA' 'suburb', containing over 100 segments scattered all over the state, I assume most other states will have a similar object, what's the thoughts of everyone on this case? Is it really needed? (I assume it's just a category in the ABS data that's come across wholesale). Seems to me anything not in side a suburb boundary would be considered unclassified anyway? I noticed a small number of those in NSW and decided to ignore them and just put them, that might have been a bad idea ;-( LOL, Well I guess we just need to decide if a 'unclassified' suburb is appropriate or not. If we decide it's not we blow away the relation and problem solved :) Or if keep it should we somehow flag it slightly differently so that we know it's not an actual suburb called 'Unclassified', although there are weirder names around ;) -- =b -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 11:46 +1100, Franc Carter wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). Are the suburbs rendered, or do they only show up in an editor like JOSM? James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
Boundaries are rendered on mapnik and osmarender as far as I know cheers On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM, James Andrewartha tr...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au wrote: On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 11:46 +1100, Franc Carter wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). Are the suburbs rendered, or do they only show up in an editor like JOSM? James Andrewartha -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] postcode boundaries
I have taken a very simple approach to postcode boundaries(1), and extracted a separate .osm file which can be used to eyeball the data and add in the boundaries to osm. If anyone wants a subset of these for areas they are familiar with let me know. I don't have the bandwidth to make the whole lot available on a web server however. cheers (1) Anything else was melting my brain -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Franc Carter wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). There were a couple of problems:-] thanks for letting us know its finished. my area is very bad - whether this is the council's fault or ABS fault I don't know, but the suburb boundaries are not right and I can't find any division between postcode 2680 and 2681. I don't know where the line is either, and probably not many people do know, as we don't have postal delivery and it isn't of practical importance. LIz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
oops, not to the list On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.comwrote: I'm in the inner west of Sydney and am find that the boundaries are only *mostly correct* - so i'm not too surprised that outside the main cities they are a worse. Hopefully on a country wide basis it is still better than nothing. cheers On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Franc Carter wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). There were a couple of problems:-] thanks for letting us know its finished. my area is very bad - whether this is the council's fault or ABS fault I don't know, but the suburb boundaries are not right and I can't find any division between postcode 2680 and 2681. I don't know where the line is either, and probably not many people do know, as we don't have postal delivery and it isn't of practical importance. LIz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Franc -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
Glad to see not all of NSW has been incorporated ;-) cheers On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Franc Carter wrote: I noticed a small number of those in NSW and decided to ignore them and just put them, that might have been a bad idea NSW has a huge one, the unincorporated area ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
