Re: [talk-au] OSM data
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Has the OSM data really been growing > fast enough that the zipped files have increased by more > than 10% in 9 days? Or is there another reason for the > increase in file size? Most of the gains seem to be in NZ. Take the 1st to the 5th of July for example, it jumps from 152M to 170M, but Australian data only jumped from 136M to 137M. So the increases are occurring elsewhere. I thought it might be LINZ data being imported, but it doesn't look like it has been imported yet. http://linz.dev.openstreetmap.org/~JoeRichards/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer wrote: > Though I know we might not be able to use information from > <11yr old > kids it still does not mean we can not help provide > education This would fall into the category of PR more than anything I assume, does anything like this already exist? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM data
Has the OSM data really been growing fast enough that the zipped files have increased by more than 10% in 9 days? Or is there another reason for the increase in file size? Brent - Original Message - From: John Smith Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009 9:33 pm Subject: [talk-au] OSM data To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > I've been playing with OSM data and I've basically dumped the > results into a web directory people can download from if they want. > > I've actually been doing all of Australia and NZ, so the dumps > are from both countries but it's easy enough to create your own > dumps from these and use a smaller bbox area. > > http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/ > > The highway shields on regular mapnik tiles don't look like > sheilds on signs here and have been thinking about toying with > the mapnik configs to make them look more like street directory maps. > > Has anyone else played with the look/feel of tiles at all? > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fw: Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Hillsman, Edward wrote: > From: Hillsman, Edward > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM > To: t...@openstreetmap.org > Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 8:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/9 John Smith : > > > > > > > Tracing rivers and such on OSM > gave me an idea for a > possible way to promote OSM, geography students. > > > > > > I mean what better way to > teach kids about geography > than doing a little cartography :) > > > > > > > > > > > By coincidence, I gave a short invited > presentation about > OSM last evening to a geography GPS class. The professor > will require some sort > of project from each student, and I’m hoping that > some of them will use > OSM as part of their work. The professor is aware of > open-source GIS software > but has not been familiar with OSM beyond a general > awareness of it. > > > > We are encouraging students NOT to do > the obvious things of > mapping certain features on campus, because we plan to work > with a GIS class > this fall to upload files of campus features, local bus > stops/routes, and the > like. But I encouraged the off-road cyclists to map local > trails, and a golfer > to map the university golf course. An older student is > interested in mapping services > of interest to senior citizens in his home town some > 40 miles from campus. > One student was involved a few years ago in creating > something like the GNIS > file that someone has uploaded, and he may do some work to > correct the location > errors in it in the local area. I also encouraged those > with access to any of > the many gated communities in this area to map those, > because the Yahoo imagery > indicates a lot of construction but no final streets and > structures. I am > interested to see what comes of all of this. The students > seemed to be > intrigued that students have been big contributors to the > OSM endeavor. > > > > By the way, whom in the OSM network > should I contact about > getting help with the uploads this fall? A couple of months > ago there was some > discussion here about developing some sort of support team > for uploading files, > and I don’t remember seeing what came of that. > > > > Ed Hillsman > > > > Edward L. Hillsman, > Ph.D. > > Senior Research > Associate > > Center for Urban Transportation > Research > > University of South > Florida > > 4202 Fowler Ave., > CUT100 > > Tampa, FL > 33620-5375 > > 813-974-2977 (tel) > > 813-974-5168 (fax) > > hills...@cutr.usf.edu > > > http://www.cutr.usf.edu > > > > > > > > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > ___ > talk mailing list > t...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] OSM data
I've been playing with OSM data and I've basically dumped the results into a web directory people can download from if they want. I've actually been doing all of Australia and NZ, so the dumps are from both countries but it's easy enough to create your own dumps from these and use a smaller bbox area. http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/ The highway shields on regular mapnik tiles don't look like sheilds on signs here and have been thinking about toying with the mapnik configs to make them look more like street directory maps. Has anyone else played with the look/feel of tiles at all? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fw: Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer wrote: > From: Jack Stringer > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM > To: "John Smith" , t...@openstreetmap.org > Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 7:04 AM > For the UK its GCSE and A-Level > Geography students are the ones to > look at I guess. > > Though I know we might not be able to use information from > <11yr old > kids it still does not mean we can not help provide > education > information to them. I know its not what OSM is about but > educating > the youth in the wonder of maps should be a nice starting > ground. > Because OSM are free it means teachers can freely print > copies and let > the student learn about orienteering even if its only on > school > grounds. You never know the teacher may put the information > for the > school into OSM so that they could use it themselves. > > On the wiki it would be useful to put all the information > under > Teaching Resources and go from there. > > > > *Sorry I keep doing this (forgetting to cc the list)* > > What John was commentating on. > Make a teaching pack that would give them ideas on how they > can teach > students about map making. > > One idea is that they can map the school. Using walking > maps they can > upload the hand drawn map and trace that. > > If suitable permission could be found they could map their > neighbourhood or street. > > When I was at school I loved maps as we have a collection > of os maps > at home. After taking geography as a gcse subject I was > disappointed > we never did much with maps. None of the students could > read an os > map. > > There are different target groups, primary school, > secondary, > college/uni so we need targeted plans for each. If we get > colleges > involved then we may breed new osm editors. > > Jack Stringer > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM
Liz wrote: > Your "problem" John, is that you are confusing educating people with > providing > them with a "School Certificate" or whatever I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM
b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > If anybody's got ideas on how to incorporate it into a maths lesson I'm all > ears too. My high school maths touched on surveying, which is all geometry and trigonometry. Map your school, the nearby playing field or shops or whatever and calculate boundary lengths or areas of various features. For senior high school students, what about studying a bit of the maths involved in GPS? Techniques used in triangulation and estimating error, for example. You may want to include relativistic effects such as frequency shifts and time corrections for your best students. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Liz wrote: > Yes, it would be a great way to teach kids about their > world, to look at it, > to describe it, to measure it but how can we make this fit > with the > curriculum? Considering numerous next generation teachers, and some of the existing ones can't spell I suppose there is no hope for other subjects to think outside of the square... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > I was thinking about refining rivers and marking out local area stuff that > normally doesn't appear on most maps, there virtually would be a lot of > stuff that could be done in this area. > > Then you come to your suggestion, technical drawing, and I was walking > through a shopping centre today and that side of things came to mind where > you normally can't get GPS signal but they could measure out the shop > fronts using another method and extrapolating from known positions outside > where you can get a good gps signal. > > There is almost endless amounts of refinement and mapping that could be > done, and would cross disciplines from geography to architecture to history > even, since you can get copies of old maps and see how towns grew over > time. Your "problem" John, is that you are confusing educating people with providing them with a "School Certificate" or whatever Yes, it would be a great way to teach kids about their world, to look at it, to describe it, to measure it but how can we make this fit with the curriculum? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > I'm starting as a maths teacher > next year and will certainly be mentioning it to the > geography teachers in passing ;). The hard bit will be > relating it to the syllabus so it's not a waste of > time. > > Obviously it would be an excellent exercise for geography > students to do, but unless the syllabus allows for first > hand cartography a teacher would really need to twist some > arms to justify using class time for it. > > If anybody's got ideas on how to incorporate it into a > maths lesson I'm all ears too. I'll paste below a reply I received because I cross posted to the main talk list at the same time, along with my reply. --- On Thu, 9/7/09, Peter Childs wrote: > Back when I was at School, If I could have done a GCSE or > A-Level in > Cartography I would have done. Its a much under taught > subject. > > It either needs to be taught as a Subject in its own right > or as Part > of "Technical Drawing", Its not that it can't be included > as part of > Geography its just there is more than enough material for a > separate > subject and its much ignored. I was thinking about refining rivers and marking out local area stuff that normally doesn't appear on most maps, there virtually would be a lot of stuff that could be done in this area. Then you come to your suggestion, technical drawing, and I was walking through a shopping centre today and that side of things came to mind where you normally can't get GPS signal but they could measure out the shop fronts using another method and extrapolating from known positions outside where you can get a good gps signal. There is almost endless amounts of refinement and mapping that could be done, and would cross disciplines from geography to architecture to history even, since you can get copies of old maps and see how towns grew over time. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM
I'm starting as a maths teacher next year and will certainly be mentioning it to the geography teachers in passing ;). The hard bit will be relating it to the syllabus so it's not a waste of time. Obviously it would be an excellent exercise for geography students to do, but unless the syllabus allows for first hand cartography a teacher would really need to twist some arms to justify using class time for it. If anybody's got ideas on how to incorporate it into a maths lesson I'm all ears too. Brent - Original Message - From: John Smith Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009 2:46 pm Subject: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org > > Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible > way to promote OSM, geography students. > > I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing > a little cartography :) > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Shopping Centre Maps
Has anyone asked Centro or Westfields etc about copying their shopping centre maps? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
