Re: [talk-au] Navit
Forgot to mention, that routing over largish distances makes the router go all screwy, 600km and it thinks I have to go 50m or I'm already at my destination etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Navit
Ok, I'll preface this by saying that navit seems to be a really really good start, but the UI needs a lot of spit and polish. When you are running the GTK interface you can't make it go to full screen. Which if you are on a small screen to begin with that's a lot of space wasted displaying menus and title bars you only need to access infrequently. When you are running the internal interface you can just point and click (or right click) to mark a destination, you have to go through a bunch of different screens similar to a satnav device. Even then I couldn't get it to route, not sure if it's something I did or didn't do or what. Clicking options to change something, like 2D to 3D display doesn't update the display to show it has done something, or drop you to the previous menu screen or anything, so you think nothing has happened, or you are left assuming it might have happened. Also for some reason the ABS boundaries seem to be given an unusually high preference over roads, when you zoom out (f8 key, f7 is zoom in) you don't see many roads at all, it's mostly ABS boundaries which is very confusing to navigate. On a side note, it took 130M of bzip compressed OSM data and turned it into a 50M data file. I can't figure out how to dump the data from pgsql to OSM as I'd be happy to script OSM to navit data files on the map server I built. Does anyone know how to get the info back out of pgsql? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > > a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on > > IRC > > once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking > > people > > I usually have no problems with dealing with people from Germany/Austria, > perhaps I should have been clearer in previous emails, but the comments I > made were more about German roads than because they were German. > > For example the highway refs would seem to be a lot more common in Germany > than Australia, which is why I wouldn't be able to get that warning ignored > by default. Same with junction names. I just remember being thought strange because someone from Australia could actually write in German but really they were very friendly -- He that is giddy thinks the world turns round. -- William Shakespeare, "The Taming of the Shrew" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
> a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on IRC > once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking people > At least with gpsdrive most of us speak english fairly well. gpsdrive currently does not have routing, however the next version will. I have it working on my version and waiting until 2.10 is completed then will add it into the svn for version 3.0 It uses the gosmore routing and is intended that you can add any routing engine you want. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on > IRC > once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking > people I usually have no problems with dealing with people from Germany/Austria, perhaps I should have been clearer in previous emails, but the comments I made were more about German roads than because they were German. For example the highway refs would seem to be a lot more common in Germany than Australia, which is why I wouldn't be able to get that warning ignored by default. Same with junction names. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > Except the routing engine seems to need a little work. It told me to go > along Channon Street, go across to the wrong side of the road dual carriage > way so I could turn right onto Little Channon Street. > > http://osm.org/go/ueTQqCjj9-- > > Also any administrative boundaries marked as highway=* only show as > boundaries. > > http://osm.org/go/ueTSYWP0p- > > I'll file some bugs shortly... a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on IRC once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking people -- BOFH excuse #377: Someone hooked the twisted pair wires into the answering machine. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
> > http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit > > That looks the best alternative so far, haven't figured out > tts yet, and it's going to be a pain until debian releases > their next distro, but it does just work. Except the routing engine seems to need a little work. It told me to go along Channon Street, go across to the wrong side of the road dual carriage way so I could turn right onto Little Channon Street. http://osm.org/go/ueTQqCjj9-- Also any administrative boundaries marked as highway=* only show as boundaries. http://osm.org/go/ueTSYWP0p- I'll file some bugs shortly... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > If you browse up the directory structure there is also a data file for > Australia-Oceania... I've managed to get this going with both my garmin .img file and a .bin file made from the download website (once i turned off the 'use demo map' in the navit.xml file) -- You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit That looks the best alternative so far, haven't figured out tts yet, and it's going to be a pain until debian releases their next distro, but it does just work. > but if you follow those instructions you'll need to move to > Italy - you need > an alternate map If you browse up the directory structure there is also a data file for Australia-Oceania... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > How is the touch screen connected to the eee pc? > > USB connection. > > Takes a bit of calibrating to get it to work accurately but once setup > it's great. I saw one for sale on some site i visited recently, an extra to fit on the eeepc 330328408173 on ebay.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
>> > How is the touch screen connected to the eee pc? USB connection. Takes a bit of calibrating to get it to work accurately but once setup it's great. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
>> Additionally I have the osm data installed as part of the >> base install to run mapnik for gpsdrive. Best thing about this is that it displays the map as openstreetmap does as it uses the xml file from osm to generate the map. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
> > GPSdrive seems to be a bit lacking when it comes to the UI side of things, > I haven't spent enough time with it I suppose... You need to start it in car mode. gpsdrive -M car This is specifically setup for touchscreens but also IMO gives the best interface for all uses. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > you need > an alternate map http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ must work with flash, doesn't work in konqueror there is also Rana http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rana which I haven't tried ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > > on the neo I've used navit but its just too small for > > ageing eyes on that > > screen > > so now i use tangogps on the eeepc > > tangogps was the easiest to get up and running, but no routing which is a > shame but not a total loss. Although a 7" eeePC is not much more expensive > than a GPS nav unit, although missing a GPS receiver by default. > > navit doesn't seem to be in default deb repositories, will go hunting. It's in 'testing' > > Hopefully someone will come up with a "it just works" solution sooner > rather than later. http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit but if you follow those instructions you'll need to move to Italy - you need an alternate map -- They spell it "da Vinci" and pronounce it "da Vinchy". Foreigners always spell better than they pronounce. -- Mark Twain ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > It's *possible* to use JOSM, but > you need to alt+click/drag a lot to move the window around. or get gpsd working and install/enable the livegps plugin in JOSM, this has an option for centring on the current GPS location. I actually did this the other day, it's very hard to navigate or attempt to by this method. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > on the neo I've used navit but its just too small for > ageing eyes on that > screen > so now i use tangogps on the eeepc tangogps was the easiest to get up and running, but no routing which is a shame but not a total loss. Although a 7" eeePC is not much more expensive than a GPS nav unit, although missing a GPS receiver by default. navit doesn't seem to be in default deb repositories, will go hunting. Hopefully someone will come up with a "it just works" solution sooner rather than later. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > In the sd card slot I have a 32gb card with all Australian > topo maps, plus g>map for the whole of > Australia at zoom 13. > > Additionally I have the osm data installed as part of the > base install to run mapnik for gpsdrive. > > I have it setup with mapnik generated maps as the default > and can swap to the topo or gmap as required, ie when I get > to an area with no/little osm data. > > The biggest advantage to this is that whilst mapping you > can see what has and hasn't been done. Unfortunately > it does not show the source type but I'm working on this. GPSdrive seems to be a bit lacking when it comes to the UI side of things, I haven't spent enough time with it I suppose... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Andrew Laughton wrote: > I would be interested in seeing that. > Where is it. I have never managed to get gpsd to work. The hardest part is usually getting a kernel driver for the device, once you have some kind of /dev/ interface, all the devices I've tested so far show up as a ttyUSB0, it's a simple matter of doing: gpsd -n /dev/ttyUSB0 for example, then if you 'telnet localhost 2947' and type 'R=1' you should see NMEA strings being dumped as quickly as gpsd gets input. Alternatively you can do the same thing by using 'gpspipe -r' It looks like gpsd can handle multiple inputs, not sure if this is simultaneously or not. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
I would be interested in seeing that. Where is it. I have never managed to get gpsd to work. 2009/7/18 John Smith > > > > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au > wrote: > > It's *possible* to use JOSM, but > > you need to alt+click/drag a lot to move the window around. > > Usually I'd just plug it into an external monitor. > > Potlatch is useable, although the requirement of an Internet > > connection reduces it's usefulness. > > Not exactly what I was after, I have slightly mischief intents here, I'm > writing up an installation howto about the eeePC and was going to slip in a > few references to getting navigation/routing etc setup too :D > > > I've never done routing with mine due to lack of a GPS > > which talks NMEA. The human mind does much better routing > > anyway :). > > Using gpsd to handle what ever GPS device makes that irrelevant usually. > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > It's *possible* to use JOSM, but > you need to alt+click/drag a lot to move the window around. > Usually I'd just plug it into an external monitor. > Potlatch is useable, although the requirement of an Internet > connection reduces it's usefulness. Not exactly what I was after, I have slightly mischief intents here, I'm writing up an installation howto about the eeePC and was going to slip in a few references to getting navigation/routing etc setup too :D > I've never done routing with mine due to lack of a GPS > which talks NMEA. The human mind does much better routing > anyway :). Using gpsd to handle what ever GPS device makes that irrelevant usually. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] validator plugin updates
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Most aeroway tags throw up warnings. > > eg aeroway=runway, aeroway=taxiway, aeroway=apron, etc You might have to trash the .josm/plugins/validator directory after upgrading. I went through and added a lot of tags to not show warnings like aeroway=* although windsock seems to have been left out. To see what tags "should" be ignored currently in the validator plugin check this file: .josm/plugins/validator/mirror_http___svn.openstreetmap.org_applications_editors_josm_plugins_validator_ignoretags.cfg ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] validator plugin updates
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:29:55 +1000 Liz wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Liz wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > > > r1788 has been released as the latest stable/tested version and it > > > contains all the validator plugin updates I submitted. > > Most aeroway tags throw up warnings. eg aeroway=runway, aeroway=taxiway, aeroway=apron, etc -- Ross Scanlon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > I recently acquired a 7" eeePC and I wondered what everyone is using for > mapping/routing etc to be useful on small screens? on the neo I've used navit but its just too small for ageing eyes on that screen so now i use tangogps on the eeepc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:58:29 + (GMT) John Smith wrote: > > I recently acquired a 7" eeePC and I wondered what everyone is using for > mapping/routing etc to be useful on small screens? > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > I have the 9" eeePC running eeeBuntu standard with gpsdrive. The eeePC sits behind the drivers seat and I use an 7" touch screen mounted on the dash for display and control. My 4WD has a built in PC with similar setup with Ubuntu and 8" touch screen. In the sd card slot I have a 32gb card with all Australian topo maps, plus g>map for the whole of Australia at zoom 13. Additionally I have the osm data installed as part of the base install to run mapnik for gpsdrive. I have it setup with mapnik generated maps as the default and can swap to the topo or gmap as required, ie when I get to an area with no/little osm data. The biggest advantage to this is that whilst mapping you can see what has and hasn't been done. Unfortunately it does not show the source type but I'm working on this. -- Ross Scanlon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
It's *possible* to use JOSM, but you need to alt+click/drag a lot to move the window around. Usually I'd just plug it into an external monitor. Potlatch is useable, although the requirement of an Internet connection reduces it's usefulness. I've never done routing with mine due to lack of a GPS which talks NMEA. The human mind does much better routing anyway :). Brent - Original Message - From: John Smith Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:59 pm Subject: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > I recently acquired a 7" eeePC and I wondered what everyone is > using for mapping/routing etc to be useful on small screens? > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
I recently acquired a 7" eeePC and I wondered what everyone is using for mapping/routing etc to be useful on small screens? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] validator plugin updates
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > This is what I was asking for in previous emails so I > could submit patches > > for it. > but i hadn't done any checking Now you have :) I'm trying to minimise the updates/bug reports to a minimum and only upload patches when I have at least a dozen new tags to submit, so please keep track of things that shouldn't be warnings and email them to me off list. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] validator plugin updates
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > > and lastly > > "presets do not contain property key" > > 3 Key 'charge' not in presets - that was some toilets > > (i know about dry_weather_road and old_ref) > > This is what I was asking for in previous emails so I could submit patches > for it. but i hadn't done any checking I'll set the other stuff to "ignore" as recommended -- BOFH excuse #307: emissions from GSM-phones ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] validator plugin updates
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > 15 "unnamed junction" (roundabouts) It was done intentionally to get it accepted by the Germans, they weren't happy with unnamed junctions being ignored, all you have to do is ignore the whole group and you'll never see it again. > 13 "unnamed unclassified highway" - includes short segments > like bridges This I don't have a good suggestion on what to do, I actually added the check to show unnamed unclassified highways, one step up from dirt tracks but they are mostly named. In the case of bridges I either use the bridge name or the highway name. > 52 "highway without a reference" - the roads don't have > reference numbers but > the Eurocentric validator thinks that every secondary and > tertiary road should > have a reference. Yup, which is why you just ignore the whole group, there is no way that I would be able to get the Germans to agree to removing the warning, just picking the battles I can win :) > and lastly > "presets do not contain property key" > 3 Key 'charge' not in presets - that was some toilets > (i know about dry_weather_road and old_ref) This is what I was asking for in previous emails so I could submit patches for it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > We get a lot of votes "against" from the developed > countries in the > Eurocentric bloc, who have little idea about roads in > undeveloped countries. > They show pictures of roads as impassable that I'd happily > drive the car down, > although slowly, and bike tracks even I can ride up are > marked as very rough. I think the trick would be to show a lot of usage, and by defacto support, for a particular thing that is aussie specific. Also I don't think it's just a euro thing, those that don't venture out of metro areas much/at all tend to have the same/similar mind set. However those that have lived in non-metro areas for a while find out other wise in a hurry :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] validator plugin updates
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Liz wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > > r1788 has been released as the latest stable/tested version and it > > contains all the validator plugin updates I submitted. > > great work > that's the one i just downloaded so i could use Landsat again > > I still had a lot of complaints about my data from the validator 15 "unnamed junction" (roundabouts) 13 "unnamed unclassified highway" - includes short segments like bridges 52 "highway without a reference" - the roads don't have reference numbers but the Eurocentric validator thinks that every secondary and tertiary road should have a reference. and lastly "presets do not contain property key" 3 Key 'charge' not in presets - that was some toilets (i know about dry_weather_road and old_ref) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Matt White wrote: > I personally feel that it is a required tag, and it seems that there is > definite relevance to AU conditions. I did nothing with renders, but I > had modified Garmin IMG creation style sheets that would append "(4WD > Only)" to the street name - similar to the tagging you see in the VicMap > maps We get a lot of votes "against" from the developed countries in the Eurocentric bloc, who have little idea about roads in undeveloped countries. They show pictures of roads as impassable that I'd happily drive the car down, although slowly, and bike tracks even I can ride up are marked as very rough. So I've altered Australian Tagging Guidelines on the wiki for dry weather only and 4WD only roads / tracks we could do with more opinions on how to construct the results as a logical set i was thinking that they went under "restrictions" the same as B-double and road train routes - we need markers for them too as "hgv" doesn't distinguish and the Law does. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Re: brent's bike
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Forgot to change the To: field :p. > > Haha, nice to know that somebody bothers reading the blogs :). I am running them into my rss feed > > The > bike is a Mongoose Comp Tyax. Neither of the breakdowns were > unexpected. The middle chainring got smashed up by a rock about 8months > ago while doing the St Helena Track (name=St Helena Ridge in OSM) in > the Blue Mountains. I smashed it back with a rock so it'd work but > obviously it's been pretty stuffed since then. I'd expect better from Mongoose > > The spokes have > always "tinkled" under heavy breaking. This is the 3rd to break so far. > On Monday I'll head into the bike shop and grab a set of new spokes and > a chainring then rebuild the wheel next week. I want to return to > Protestors Falls next Saturday to map the Terania Creek better and the > walking track which goes up to the falls themselves. My hybrid is a cheap bike compared to my others, and the only one I've broken spokes on. I changed the lot, because broken spokes are a PITA > > Considering > the heavy riding that 105kg me has done on that bike I'm surprised it's > stood up this long :). We're surprised you're still 105kg > It's done about 1000km in the last year, mostly > in the Glenrock State Recreation Area, Newcastle (which is very well > mapped :)). As parts break they'll get replaced with better equipment > and eventually I'll have a much more reliable bike. My mountain bike has done about 40,000km, and now about half of it is original > > Oh, and the > cable ties used were salvaged. They were being used to hold on a little > pouch which housed the GPS. Next time I'll throw in some fresh ones and > a roll of gaffer tape along with the tools. We could have a donation drive for more cable ties and gaffer tape, you'll be needing them > > -Brent ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
I've been using 4wd_only (and occasionally 4WD_only ) for a while for tracks that really require a high clearance vehicle, or that are marked as 4wd-Only. Haven't marked heaps of them though... I had a wiki tag proposal running for a bit for such a tag, but it was around the time of the surface=*/smoothness=* debacle, and it got lost in the furore. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/4WD_Only Smoothness was an attempt to sort out the variable types of road surface (unpaved is really just a generic tag - Rainbow beach is technically "unpaved", ditto for Fraser Island, but in those cases, a 4WD only marker would be valid (yes, I've seen Holden Commodores on rainbow, but that didn't end so well) I personally feel that it is a required tag, and it seems that there is definite relevance to AU conditions. I did nothing with renders, but I had modified Garmin IMG creation style sheets that would append "(4WD Only)" to the street name - similar to the tagging you see in the VicMap maps Matt John Smith wrote: > > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > > >> this argument was held on the wiki and the smoothness deity >> won somehow >> we should just move to our preferred use >> where dry_weather_only and 4WD_only are legal restrictions >> (ignored only by those who are brave or stupid) >> but should ultimately appear in a routing scenario (whereas >> speed limit change >> to 60kmh on a wet road is less important) >> > > 4WD_only or 4wd_only or 4wd? > > Tagwatch shows all 3... > > 4WD_only=yes (3) > 4wd=yes (2) > 4wd_only=yes (15) > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.19/2244 - Release Date: 07/17/09 > 18:00:00 > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: Re: brent's bike
Forgot to change the To: field :p. Haha, nice to know that somebody bothers reading the blogs :). The bike is a Mongoose Comp Tyax. Neither of the breakdowns were unexpected. The middle chainring got smashed up by a rock about 8months ago while doing the St Helena Track (name=St Helena Ridge in OSM) in the Blue Mountains. I smashed it back with a rock so it'd work but obviously it's been pretty stuffed since then. The spokes have always "tinkled" under heavy breaking. This is the 3rd to break so far. On Monday I'll head into the bike shop and grab a set of new spokes and a chainring then rebuild the wheel next week. I want to return to Protestors Falls next Saturday to map the Terania Creek better and the walking track which goes up to the falls themselves. Considering the heavy riding that 105kg me has done on that bike I'm surprised it's stood up this long :). It's done about 1000km in the last year, mostly in the Glenrock State Recreation Area, Newcastle (which is very well mapped :)). As parts break they'll get replaced with better equipment and eventually I'll have a much more reliable bike. Oh, and the cable ties used were salvaged. They were being used to hold on a little pouch which housed the GPS. Next time I'll throw in some fresh ones and a roll of gaffer tape along with the tools. -Brent ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > Tagwatch shows all 3... > > 4WD_only=yes (3) > 4wd=yes (2) > 4wd_only=yes (15) 75% are 4wd_only=yes -- Always the dullness of the fool is the whetstone of the wits. -- William Shakespeare, "As You Like It" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] brent's bike
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > not enough detail in the photos to see what brand it is http://www.overclockers.com.au/pix/index.php?page=image&id=dj7cc That pic shows a "M" as the first letter of the brand. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] brent's bike
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > Brent's bike has serious problems Yup, it's missing tie wire to hold it together better :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > this argument was held on the wiki and the smoothness deity > won somehow > we should just move to our preferred use > where dry_weather_only and 4WD_only are legal restrictions > (ignored only by those who are brave or stupid) > but should ultimately appear in a routing scenario (whereas > speed limit change > to 60kmh on a wet road is less important) 4WD_only or 4wd_only or 4wd? Tagwatch shows all 3... 4WD_only=yes (3) 4wd=yes (2) 4wd_only=yes (15) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] brent's bike
Brent's bike has serious problems it is underengineered for touring http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Biogenesis_/diary/7104 not enough detail in the photos to see what brand it is ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > > Australia Tagging Guidelines wiki > > I just read the 4wd only section below the dry weather only bit, it states: > > "4WD only track > > Mark these highway=track; surface=unpaved" I would have copied that in off the mailing list from the very early days it needs updating > > Is this adequate enough to describe a way as 4wd only? > > As long as it's dry I can take a 2wd car along black soil, and similar > tracks, that is unless some idiot has ripped them up in a 4wd when it was > wet. > > However there are similar roads that can only be driven in a 4wd due to > clearance or other terrain reasons. this argument was held on the wiki and the smoothness deity won somehow we should just move to our preferred use where dry_weather_only and 4WD_only are legal restrictions (ignored only by those who are brave or stupid) but should ultimately appear in a routing scenario (whereas speed limit change to 60kmh on a wet road is less important) i'll write something different on the wiki after tea ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > it's carpark/picnic area. These are pretty much tracks > (although some may argue for highway=service), are unpaved > and are perfectly suitable for all cars. I'm thinking of actual roads that wouldn't be deemed service as they are public roads, albeit very minor ones, that the shire hasn't bothered to gravel. Also I've driven along safely in a car, unpaved tracks in national parks even if they are mostly traversed by 4wd's, but there is roads that can only be driven in a 4wd and are officially signed as such, due to clearence reasons, or sandy patches etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
Yeah, I agree that an unpaved track designation is seriously inadequate to describe a road as "4WD only". Mainly because 4WD only is a legal designation and "track" is a practical one. There are many single lane tracks around the place which are perfectly fine for 2WD cars. The Protestors Falls area which I surveyed today has single lane unpaved sections in it's carpark/picnic area. These are pretty much tracks (although some may argue for highway=service), are unpaved and are perfectly suitable for all cars. - Original Message - From: John Smith Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:57 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au > > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au > wrote: > > > Australia Tagging Guidelines wiki > > I just read the 4wd only section below the dry weather only bit, > it states: > > "4WD only track > > Mark these highway=track; surface=unpaved" > > Is this adequate enough to describe a way as 4wd only? > > As long as it's dry I can take a 2wd car along black soil, and > similar tracks, that is unless some idiot has ripped them up in > a 4wd when it was wet. > > However there are similar roads that can only be driven in a 4wd > due to clearance or other terrain reasons. > > > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd only road
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Australia Tagging Guidelines wiki I just read the 4wd only section below the dry weather only bit, it states: "4WD only track Mark these highway=track; surface=unpaved" Is this adequate enough to describe a way as 4wd only? As long as it's dry I can take a 2wd car along black soil, and similar tracks, that is unless some idiot has ripped them up in a 4wd when it was wet. However there are similar roads that can only be driven in a 4wd due to clearance or other terrain reasons. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] dry weather only road
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > There's currently no standard for > this. The best we can do is this proposal (from 2008): > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dry_weather > or the suggestion on the Australia Tagging Guidelines wiki > page of "all_weather=no". On that page it lists a suggestion of: access=dry_weather tagwatcher lists 7 instances of all_weather=no ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] dry weather only road
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > There's currently no standard for this. The best we can do is this proposal > (from 2008): > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dry_weather or the > suggestion on the Australia Tagging Guidelines wiki page of > "all_weather=no". I searched restrictions on the wiki and couldn't get anything similar they are describing "closed in winter" "closed in wet season" and that is too restrictive, being seasonal. That road whose sign I photographed wasn't quite dry today and it was a little "interesting" to drive. Had to pay so much attention to exactly where I drove that I missed the problem with the gps not recording for several kms. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] dry weather only road
There's currently no standard for this. The best we can do is this proposal (from 2008): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dry_weather or the suggestion on the Australia Tagging Guidelines wiki page of "all_weather=no". - Original Message - From: Liz Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009 5:01 pm Subject: [talk-au] dry weather only road To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > what did we think was appropriate here? > > wet_weather_use=no > > ?? > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] dry weather only road
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Liz wrote: > what did we think was appropriate here? > > wet_weather_use=no > > ?? > trying this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dry_Weather_Road ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] dry weather only road
what did we think was appropriate here? wet_weather_use=no ?? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
