Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
I updated the rendering to show all villages, towns and cities and now the map is a lot more cluttered to the point of too much clutter, I think I'll make villages render at a higher zoom, not sure about towns. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Liz wrote: > move the coral sea islands ;-) Actually there was no state place tag for Queensland, I've added one since, and the tiles will update sooner or later. I also moved the ACT tag, it was going over the top of Canberra, also Canberra was being hidden by Queenbyean so I updated the mapnik style sheet to prefer capitals over regular cities at lower zoom levels. There will probably be a lot of tweaks just to make things display properly for Australia even before changing the way roads look. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Matt White wrote: > I'd definitely add the text to the end of the road name - > you could > easily get into liqorice all-sorts taking a low clearance > vehicle down > some the the 4WD roads, so a pretty colour is probably a > little too > subtle. That would also be in keeping with every decent map > set I have. The easiest way to do that would be to actually add 4wd only to the name section of the tag. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
John Smith wrote: >> Anybody got a suggestion for 4WD only? Should we make it >> different graphically (such as with access=private ways) or >> just put a "4WD only" name on it? >> > > This would have already been thought of by someone, most likely national > parks and wildlife service :) > > > I'd definitely add the text to the end of the road name - you could easily get into liqorice all-sorts taking a low clearance vehicle down some the the 4WD roads, so a pretty colour is probably a little too subtle. That would also be in keeping with every decent map set I have. Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > 've tweaked a few more things, the state names show at the same zoom level > as the state capitals, although Queensland isn't showing, most likely > because the place node is too close to the coral sea islands place node. move the coral sea islands ;-) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
I've tweaked a few more things, the state names show at the same zoom level as the state capitals, although Queensland isn't showing, most likely because the place node is too close to the coral sea islands place node. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] council street directory
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > but this year has a pdf of an A1 map. > Quicker advocacy could have got us on their website, but we > still could > feature there if someone would talk to the council. Unfortunately I think it will take a formalised organisation to talk to these councils rather than just a bunch of volunteers. The State of the Spain map actually talks about this exact situation and they ended up forming a local chapter, but that entails a lot of work as well. I don't know how much better it would be approaching this from I'm officially with OSM in the UK would fare. It's not an easy topic and would need to be dealt with properly, especially the more populated area councils so it wasn't messed up. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] council street directory
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Liz wrote: > > My local council has just published a > > street directory, advertised as "more > > local than your GPS" > > I've found the first mistake already > > I really wish I could come up with a suitable proposal to local governments > to remove the need to keep their own base layers and use OSM data instead, > they could save a ton of money over the long term by making use of crowd > sourcing and not needing their own map server to render map tiles, just > have a java script layer stuff over the top of the base maps. I see this as more of a possibility with a smaller council where we have actually been and mapped. Say Cobar, where I think we missed one or two streets in a new subdivision. I should have checked the real estate sites before going there for those last hints on "where else do i need to look for streets". Cobar Shire (last year) had a Google link on its website for a town map. but this year has a pdf of an A1 map. Quicker advocacy could have got us on their website, but we still could feature there if someone would talk to the council. -- You have the power to influence all with whom you come in contact. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit
Thanks, weekly is very useful anyway. I've just returned from a mapping trip, that used your navit map on my car computer - it was very useful for finding missed streets cheers On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM, John Smith wrote: > > > > --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: > > > Excellent thanks - I'll be interested in the Aussie > > file > > It's too much of a hassle to do daily files, but I'm setting up scripts to > run after lunchtime on Sundays at present, the Aussie file is up, and the NZ > one is still being produced. > > http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/Australia-20090802.navit.bin > > and when it's completed > > http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/NZ-20090802.navit.bin > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
I forgot to mention, I saw this in a SoTM09 video the other day, it was only shown briefly in a video focusing on using javascript to render vectors, but there is a spreadsheet util to make it easier to edit mapnik style sheets. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spreadnik ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: > Excellent thanks - I'll be interested in the Aussie > file It's too much of a hassle to do daily files, but I'm setting up scripts to run after lunchtime on Sundays at present, the Aussie file is up, and the NZ one is still being produced. http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/Australia-20090802.navit.bin and when it's completed http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/NZ-20090802.navit.bin ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] council street directory
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Liz wrote: > My local council has just published a > street directory, advertised as "more > local than your GPS" > I've found the first mistake already I really wish I could come up with a suitable proposal to local governments to remove the need to keep their own base layers and use OSM data instead, they could save a ton of money over the long term by making use of crowd sourcing and not needing their own map server to render map tiles, just have a java script layer stuff over the top of the base maps. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] street sign location
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Liz wrote: > must be an attempt at being vandal proof > Macquarie Fields is not the most expensive suburb I wonder what's cheaper, cleaning up spray paint or replacing signs... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Can we make surface=unpaved > highways render differently, then? :) As long as you can give me s suitable render style sheet/section I can make it render pink with purple poka dots :) However my graphics skills aren't the best so I'm tweaking more than editing. > I would propose just rendering them with orange/brown in > place of white and leave the dashed lines for tracks. Hit me with some style and it'll be done! ;) http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/osm.xml That's the defaults. > Anybody got a suggestion for 4WD only? Should we make it > different graphically (such as with access=private ways) or > just put a "4WD only" name on it? This would have already been thought of by someone, most likely national parks and wildlife service :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] street sign location
Yep, that's what I assumed - it failed ;-( On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Liz wrote: > On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Franc Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As an FYI, in case anyone gets caught out like I did ;-( > > > > I was mapping out near Macquarie Feilds today and came across quite a few > > streets > > without street names, but then noticed that the street names were on > signs > > that were > > bolted to the curb, so I had to go back and redo the survey. > > > > cheers > > must be an attempt at being vandal proof > Macquarie Fields is not the most expensive suburb > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] council street directory
My local council has just published a street directory, advertised as "more local than your GPS" I've found the first mistake already I'm sure the people down the road will be pleased to find their place of business ( a seed business) has been taken over by a church group ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] street sign location
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Franc Carter wrote: > Hi, > > As an FYI, in case anyone gets caught out like I did ;-( > > I was mapping out near Macquarie Feilds today and came across quite a few > streets > without street names, but then noticed that the street names were on signs > that were > bolted to the curb, so I had to go back and redo the survey. > > cheers must be an attempt at being vandal proof Macquarie Fields is not the most expensive suburb ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] street sign location
Hi, As an FYI, in case anyone gets caught out like I did ;-( I was mapping out near Macquarie Feilds today and came across quite a few streets without street names, but then noticed that the street names were on signs that were bolted to the curb, so I had to go back and redo the survey. cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Liz wrote: > anything that started off from me is free to use Thanks for making that explicit, I just put a short "All images and text from OpenStreetMap CC-BY-SA 2.0" at the bottom along with the cc-by-sa image. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > I only just thought of it, but I probably need to include a suitable > copyright notice to, as this graphic and other info was a modified version > of what others have already done. anything that started off from me is free to use ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
--- On Sat, 1/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Just a minor note: The tracks in the > Glenrock State Recreation Area are closed to public vehicles > so it's more accurate to mention that link in relation > to bushwalking and MTB riding than 4WD'ing. Oh, and > they're more "detailed" than > "accurate". It's a shame that the > "shortlink" links are so cryptic. It would be nice > if they were something a bit more user friendly such as a > series of digits but we can't do anything about that. I just dropped the 4wd bit and left it as ambiguously as tracks. > Also, I think the 5th paragraph would read better if the > 2nd sentence read "...stifle this kind of innovation > due to restrictive licensing." as the phrase "of > the data" is used at the end of both sentences in that > paragraph. I reworded things, hopefully for the better there and in a number of other paragraphs, new version is up. > In the last paragraph giving contact details it's > probably better to write in 3rd person rather than 1st. ie: > change "...or contact me directly..." to > "...or contact John directly...". fixed. > Overall it looks good though. Love the road painting > graphic :). I only just thought of it, but I probably need to include a suitable copyright notice to, as this graphic and other info was a modified version of what others have already done. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering
I've been tweaking things on the mapserver I'm currently running. http://maps.bigtincan.com/ State borders now show at an appropriate zoom level, and I've made it so a picnic table icon shows, but the image I'm using atm needs changing so it looks awful at present. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
Just a minor note: The tracks in the Glenrock State Recreation Area are closed to public vehicles so it's more accurate to mention that link in relation to bushwalking and MTB riding than 4WD'ing. Oh, and they're more "detailed" than "accurate". It's a shame that the "shortlink" links are so cryptic. It would be nice if they were something a bit more user friendly such as a series of digits but we can't do anything about that. Also, I think the 5th paragraph would read better if the 2nd sentence read "...stifle this kind of innovation due to restrictive licensing." as the phrase "of the data" is used at the end of both sentences in that paragraph. In the last paragraph giving contact details it's probably better to write in 3rd person rather than 1st. ie: change "...or contact me directly..." to "...or contact John directly...". Overall it looks good though. Love the road painting graphic :). - Original Message - From: John Smith Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009 11:45 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > Thanks to Liz for the layout, here's the current draft: > > http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/nambour_flier.pdf > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Australian Rendering
This is the default mapnik style sheet http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/osm.xml and here is the list of symbols/what gets rendered. http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/symbols/ By coming up with an alternate stylesheet and/or symbols we can make the maps look how we're used to them. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag
--- On Sat, 1/8/09, Liz wrote: > A long standing convention on a printed Australian map is > that a road which is > unsealed is drawn with a broken line of the same colour and > width as the road > would have if it was sealed. That is to do with rendering, not how the data is stored, and there is numerous other differences with how we normally see maps drawn and the OSM default. I have permission to keep using a work server to host a map server for the foreseeable future, all we need is suitable graphics and a suitable style sheet and we can produce maps that we're used to. While I can help with hosting, I have no graphic ability what so ever so we'd either need to pool money to pay someone or hope someone wants to donate a style :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
Thanks to Liz for the layout, here's the current draft: http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/nambour_flier.pdf ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
--- On Sat, 1/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Are there any 4WD areas in your region > which have more detail in OSM than on Gmaps or Government > drawn maps? I've drawn some near Gympie I've been on, and there is a fair few going west but nothing near Nambour. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.1517&lon=152.5131&zoom=13&layers=B000FTF Most of these roads are either wrong on google maps or just don't show at all. http://osm.org/go/ueTJ9nnc- This is inside a national park, not sure where the boundaries are so I haven't filled the area. Someone else has been mapping in some near Rainbow Beach... http://osm.org/go/ueTw6Oe > appear on no other map. http://osm.org/go/uYusKAgj-- Thanks for that, gives me some nice examples to give the 4wd guys to aim for :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
Are there any 4WD areas in your region which have more detail in OSM than on Gmaps or Government drawn maps? Although it's in NSW, the Glenrock State Recreation Area is an excellent example of what's possible with OSM: all the illegal/unofficial trails are marked in and appear on no other map. http://osm.org/go/uYusKAgj-- - Original Message - From: John Smith Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009 9:48 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org, Liz > > Probably needs to include something 4wd specific about how they > can map out their favourite trails and easily share accurate > maps of them with all their friends. > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
Probably needs to include something 4wd specific about how they can map out their favourite trails and easily share accurate maps of them with all their friends. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
--- On Sat, 1/8/09, Liz wrote: > (same designer both web sites) Bundaberg might be bit far, dunno. I was thinking about contacting the Kingaroy LUG too. Do we have something worded to send them yet? This is the latest draft I'm toying about with -- On the 15th of August at Nambour there will be an informal social meet-up for GPS and OpenStreetMap enthusiasts. Until recently coverage of the Nambour area in OpenStreetMap was non-existent, so a meeting was proposed to try and rectify the situation. So why do we do we go to the trouble of making street data when google maps is free? There are many free maps on the internet, most of them are only for private use and must not be re-distributed. They are often not up-to-date, incomplete or contain errors which are only corrected slowly. In all those maps you don't have the original data used to create them, only images of the data. There are all kinds of fantastic things you can do with map vector data but unfortunately mapping companies usually stifle this kind of innovation due to restrictive licensing of the data. OpenStreetMap has people like you and me collecting raw data ourselves, all over the world. With our own data and software we are independent from commercial providers. Think of it as the Wikipedia of maps, everybody can take part. This is an informal social event, there are no hard and fast rules about what you can and can't talk about but there will be people on hand if you wish to ask questions. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > There seems to be quite a few 4wd clubs though, one at Nambour, another at > Caloundra and another at Maleny, most only publish snail mail addresses. > > I doubt we will be able to get round them all by snail mail in time for the > meeting, so for these groups instead of spending too much time advertising > the current meet-up it might be more pertinent to come up with a different > strategy. Sunshine Coast Land Rover Owners Club Website: http://www.sclroc.org.au Email: secret...@sclroc.org.au Wide Bay Burnett 4X4 Club Website: http://www.widebayburnett4x4.com Phone: 0411 158 004 Email: ad...@widebayburnett4x4.com Rum City Offroaders Phone: 0409 796535 (Robbie Weller) Email: rumcityoffroad...@bigpond.com Cooloola 4WD Club Phone: 0418 249 799 Email: glenheat...@bigpond.com Caloundra City 4WD Club has a web form http://www.cc4wdclub.org.au/index.php?name=Contact as does Sunshine Coast Jeep Club http://www.sunshinecoastjeepclub.com/index.php?name=Contact (same designer both web sites) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
--- On Sat, 1/8/09, Liz wrote: > that lot are older than me! They probably have a lot of spare time too :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > I wouldn't consider 3 out of 4 of those I listed as nerdy anyway, take for > example this webpage :) > > http://www.mugsunco.org.au/MUGSUNCO_Welcome.html that lot are older than me! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > It may also be worth telling any > bushwalking or 4WD clubs about the event. They may not be as > nerdy as computer groups but they are likely to already have > GPS units and a use for maps. I wouldn't consider 3 out of 4 of those I listed as nerdy anyway, take for example this webpage :) http://www.mugsunco.org.au/MUGSUNCO_Welcome.html Found a sunshine coast bush walking clubs, seems to be snail mail only. There seems to be quite a few 4wd clubs though, one at Nambour, another at Caloundra and another at Maleny, most only publish snail mail addresses. I doubt we will be able to get round them all by snail mail in time for the meeting, so for these groups instead of spending too much time advertising the current meet-up it might be more pertinent to come up with a different strategy. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Funky video showing edits across 2008
Thanks for sharing the link John. It's amazing to see a visual representation of the work done in OSM. I use the ITO site to keep an eye one areas I regularly map. Can anyone spot any of their own edits? 2009/8/1 John Smith > > http://vimeo.com/2598878 > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
