Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Matt White wrote: > One thing I noticed is that your coastlines seem out of > date (and in > return, the main OSM map doesn't handle overflow of > residential areas > into coastline very well). I need to look into how the coastlines are done, I don't think data from the OSM database is used, but rather a set of shape files and these don't get pushed out as a changeset. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
John Smith wrote: > I think I finally figured out where boundary names are coming from, can > others confirm that boundary names are no longer being rendered please. > > I now only see one 'Curra' on the map compared to 2 or 3 :) > > http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=14&lat=-26.086308194794&lon=152.57117074638 > > Also I can't see postcodes that were previously being rendered: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.17674&lon=152.5&zoom=15 > http://maps.bigtincan.com/?lat=-26.17674&lon=152.5&zoom=15 > > One thing I noticed is that your coastlines seem out of date (and in return, the main OSM map doesn't handle overflow of residential areas into coastline very well). I do also like the fact that the example for this issue is in Tin Can Bay... seems somehow appropriate http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=13&lat=-25.92528274338&lon=153.0494625901&layer=BTT&flat=&flon=&tlat=&tlon= vs http://osm.org/go/ueWmh2l Otherwise, the style sheet is looking pretty good Mat ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Server downtime reminder for this weekend
Quoting Liz : > On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: >> Don't be surprised if most OSM services aren't working this weekend or you >> can't do edits and what not. >> >> > period from approximately 5am GMT Saturday August 22nd >> > until 10pm GMT >> > Sunday August 23rd. >> >> 3pm Saturday till 8am Monday AEST time. > > Oh no, I'll have to go outside! Only if you take your GPS with you! Mark P. --- "They offered to transport me back to any point in history that I would care to go, and so I had them send me back to last Thursday night, so I could pay my phone bill on time." (Weird Al Yankovic, "Everything You Know Is Wrong") ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New contributor
> > Hello, > > I hope to contribute to the OSM mapping project for Australia. I'm based > in > Murray Bridge, SA and work in Adelaide. > > If you're interested in my background you can read about me at my blog ( > http://domiconsultant.org ). From there is a link to my LinkedIn profile. > > Mike Smith > -- Welcome aboard I've put in a couple of streets in Murray Bridge only, and a few ways around there, so there is plenty of scope for mapping in Murray Bridge. This is reputed to be a noisy mailing list, be warned :-) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] New contributor
Hello, I hope to contribute to the OSM mapping project for Australia. I'm based in Murray Bridge, SA and work in Adelaide. If you're interested in my background you can read about me at my blog ( http://domiconsultant.org ). From there is a link to my LinkedIn profile. Mike Smith -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-contributor-tp25087794p25087794.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Australian Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Server downtime reminder for this weekend
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > Don't be surprised if most OSM services aren't working this weekend or you > can't do edits and what not. > > > period from approximately 5am GMT Saturday August 22nd > > until 10pm GMT > > Sunday August 23rd. > > 3pm Saturday till 8am Monday AEST time. Oh no, I'll have to go outside! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] OSM Server downtime reminder for this weekend
Don't be surprised if most OSM services aren't working this weekend or you can't do edits and what not. > period from approximately 5am GMT Saturday August 22nd > until 10pm GMT > Sunday August 23rd. 3pm Saturday till 8am Monday AEST time. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Matt White wrote: > 393 by my count (20 Jul-20 Aug)... which is actually pretty > impressive - > that's more than all messages to the AU list between 01 Jan > and 31 May > 2009 > > The AU list is certainly more lively as a result, though. Keeps me out of trouble :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
James Livingston wrote: > On 21/08/2009, at 8:13 PM, Sam Couter wrote: > > >> John Smith wrote: >> >>> I'd like to think things were that active in Australia map wise but >>> I don't think that's an accurate picture :) >>> >> I have around 800 messages in my mailbox from the past month from this >> list. That puts us soundly in the 549 - 2648 range (where did those >> numbers come from?). Depending on which green is which, that map may >> actually be correct when it comes to mailing list posts. >> > > I'm just wondering how many of those 800 are John's Twitter-like > updates about the status of things on http://maps.bigtincan.com :P > 393 by my count (20 Jul-20 Aug)... which is actually pretty impressive - that's more than all messages to the AU list between 01 Jan and 31 May 2009 The AU list is certainly more lively as a result, though. Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping on a phone
I'm using a HTC Diamond; mostly use BeelineGPS,BeelineGPS, as it also is good for geocaches. OSMtracker works well also. -Original Message- From: Franc Carter Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 10:18 PM To: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: [talk-au] Mapping on a phone Hi, My phone is on it's last legs and I'll need a new one soon. Does anybody have a phone that does a good job for mapping. It would be nice to add POIs as I notice them. I don't really need something for the full mapping experience as I have a full setup in the car for that cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
On 21/08/2009, at 8:13 PM, Sam Couter wrote: > John Smith wrote: >> I'd like to think things were that active in Australia map wise but >> I don't think that's an accurate picture :) > > I have around 800 messages in my mailbox from the past month from this > list. That puts us soundly in the 549 - 2648 range (where did those > numbers come from?). Depending on which green is which, that map may > actually be correct when it comes to mailing list posts. I'm just wondering how many of those 800 are John's Twitter-like updates about the status of things on http://maps.bigtincan.com :P -- James "Doc" Livingston, who just helped increase the number of pointless messages ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSMF
On 21/08/2009, at 8:16 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > 1. nominations open. > 2. voting opens > 3. nominations close (how can anyone vote if nominations aren't > closed) > 4. last minute registrations to vote > 5. last minute call to vote (24 hours notice) Nomination closing after the voting had opened confused the hell out of me too. I think the voting closed 48 hours after the nominations did, which is also a bit odd. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Anyone do wikipedia edits?
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Liz wrote: > I wouldn't start editing by replacing the base map > i've made myself an account > and if anyone can point me to a wikipedia page or two which incorporates a > map then i could understand the editing style attempt one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobar,_New_South_Wales i didn't succeed in getting the map into the info box on the right so decided on a thumbnail and an external link and a couple of bare faced advertisements for OSM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, BlueMM wrote: > As you probably expected, I see the same as you... I was hoping I excluded the right ones, but didn't know if I covered all possible cases, I've only seen postcode and suburb names, I can only assume there would be state and country ones rendered somewhere too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
John Smith writes: > I think I finally figured out where boundary names are coming from, can > others confirm that boundary names are no longer being rendered please. [SNIP] As you probably expected, I see the same as you... BlueMM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Greg Harper wrote: > I have a theory about hi-viz vests. > Something I have noticed when geocaching. Younger people and > busy office types ignore you but older people and those with > too much time on their hands want to know what's going > on. I wondered earlier if wearing them would be a good way to tell other people about OSM, since they'd come up and ask what we're up to rather than assuming we're up to no good :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSMF
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Matt White wrote: > Liz wrote: >> Big flame war on the OSMF-talk list today >> and it didn't even need us Aussies to fuel it. >> >> If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier for us all if as >> many potential voters as possible vote >> >> or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll was 'fixed". >> >> > Was it just me, or was there no announcement on the OSMF list (or > elsewhere like the wiki front page) that the voting had opened? > > Or did I just miss it? > > Either way, I missed the opportunity to vote - I hadn't checked my email > for two days... :( > > Matt There was an email entitled "Voting for Board Members" a few days ago. It would have been much more useful if it had said "VOTING NOW OPEN". Then, as Liz said, Frederick Ramm mailed a reminder (in upper case to wake people up). Gordon -- Gordon Smith http://las.new-england.net.au/ http://blog.macalba.net/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSMF
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote: > Was it just me, or was there no announcement on the OSMF list (or > elsewhere like the wiki front page) that the voting had opened? > > Or did I just miss it? > > Either way, I missed the opportunity to vote - I hadn't checked my email > for two days... :( If Frederick Ramm hadn't started out with a please vote email on osmf-talk, I'd have missed it too. Disorganised. 1. nominations open. 2. voting opens 3. nominations close (how can anyone vote if nominations aren't closed) 4. last minute registrations to vote 5. last minute call to vote (24 hours notice) -- You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
John Smith wrote: > I'd like to think things were that active in Australia map wise but I don't > think that's an accurate picture :) I have around 800 messages in my mailbox from the past month from this list. That puts us soundly in the 549 - 2648 range (where did those numbers come from?). Depending on which green is which, that map may actually be correct when it comes to mailing list posts. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSMF
Liz wrote: > Big flame war on the OSMF-talk list today > and it didn't even need us Aussies to fuel it. > > If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier for us all if as > many potential voters as possible vote > > or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll was 'fixed". > > Was it just me, or was there no announcement on the OSMF list (or elsewhere like the wiki front page) that the voting had opened? Or did I just miss it? Either way, I missed the opportunity to vote - I hadn't checked my email for two days... :( Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only=yes now renders
John Smith wrote: > http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=18&lat=-26.191806577279&lon=152.62008508749 > > Lovely work... Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
I have a theory about hi-viz vests. Something I have noticed when geocaching. Younger people and busy office types ignore you but older people and those with too much time on their hands want to know what's going on. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Boundary names...
I think I finally figured out where boundary names are coming from, can others confirm that boundary names are no longer being rendered please. I now only see one 'Curra' on the map compared to 2 or 3 :) http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=14&lat=-26.086308194794&lon=152.57117074638 Also I can't see postcodes that were previously being rendered: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.17674&lon=152.5&zoom=15 http://maps.bigtincan.com/?lat=-26.17674&lon=152.5&zoom=15 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: > On the odd time I go surveying on foot / bicycle at night, I wear this: > http://www.exeliteworld.com/recreational.html?product=lumisash > Cars from a kilometer away down the road can see me at night time! :D and add some flashing red ankle bands and a cygolite helmet mounted hi intensity LED light and you have the way i travel home at night ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only=yes now renders
Also I figured out how to render (4WD Only) on unnamed roads: http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=16&lat=-26.1491199&lon=152.554492 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sturt highway
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, BlueMM wrote: > Maybe I'm a little confused, but given this discussion > & looking at a recent > change to the Australian Tagging Guidelines on the wiki, > has the network/ref > tagging changed from your original proposal? I thought the > network tag was for > removing the letter prefix from the number, but are we now > doing network=A, > ref=A1? Isn't this just the same as before but with an > extra tag? The problem here is we have 2 distinct systems, things like NH, NR, MR which aren't part of the reference, and then the alphanumeric system MABC which is part of the reference. So the best I could think of in the case of MABC was to include it in both the ref and the network, I think in the UK they only have MABC so they don't have to consider anything else. > I think this is why I am concerned about adding the addr: > tags to the ref > relations, is it not redundant data given that we have > suburb boundaries, we > know with reasonable certainty that a node is in what > suburb/state/country? I > see changes to the cycle route tagging guide says to > potentially add all > suburb/state/country tags. It's like adding is_in tags to > all nodes/ways even > though we have suburb boundaries (thanks again Franc!!). > Is it some limitation of the mapnik styles that caused the > US guys to create the > similar tagging scheme? Ideally it could be solved with > code instead of adding > to the burden of tagging. I have no idea if they have boundaries in place or not, so it might have caused this to exist, then again the same could be said for most addr:* tags. > Also looking at the the text for the Route section of the > Au tag guide page, I > think it is too verbose & mixes guidelines with > reasoning & thoughts. Given it's > a wiki, I might work on wording and make some changes (kind > of similar to the > OpenSource mantra of stop whinging, show me some code). The > gist of it is leave: > * mention old & new shield system > * tagging example > * Highway Refs (but name it something like "Network Refs" > or "Sign Shield Refs") Go for it. > Move "Minor Roads" sentence to the Naming Streets sections > (since that is what > it is). > Remove the distinction between Major & Minor Highways > tagging, to something > simple like: If a named route & a numbered route follow > the same ways, combine > into a single relation. If they finish at different spots > or take different > paths, create a separate relation for the named & > numbered route. > Example of a combined: > name= Thingamajig Highway > network=C > ref=123 > route=road > type=route I've not done much with B & C routes, but there is a number of mismatched A routes that chop and change names, A3 in QLD for example starts at the junction of New England and Cunningham Highways north of Warwick, then that joins the D'Agular Highway for a bit and then follows the Burnett Highway all the way to Rockhampton. The D'Agular Highway goes from S85 to NR17 to A3 and I'm not sure what happens after it stops being the A3 it wasn't tagged. On the other hand NR38 is only the Gwydir highway except for small sections that it shares with the Newell and New England Highways. I imagine some/most B&C routes may be a single segment effectively, except if there is bridges and it might be just as easy to tag the way as it would to create and tag a relation. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sturt highway
John Smith writes: > --- On Tue, 18/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > the logic of the references isn't well expressed > The problem stems from sticking 2 values into a single one and now we're > all confused about it :) > > Since the A1 is the A1, but the NH1 is just 1 I think. > > > perhaps its network=NH > > ref =A20 > > In this case, I think that seems to be correct, I wonder how this applies > to the Bruce Highway for example, it seems to be just the A1 and no > NH shield any more... > > network=A > ref=A1 > > ? Hi John, Maybe I'm a little confused, but given this discussion & looking at a recent change to the Australian Tagging Guidelines on the wiki, has the network/ref tagging changed from your original proposal? I thought the network tag was for removing the letter prefix from the number, but are we now doing network=A, ref=A1? Isn't this just the same as before but with an extra tag? I think this is why I am concerned about adding the addr: tags to the ref relations, is it not redundant data given that we have suburb boundaries, we know with reasonable certainty that a node is in what suburb/state/country? I see changes to the cycle route tagging guide says to potentially add all suburb/state/country tags. It's like adding is_in tags to all nodes/ways even though we have suburb boundaries (thanks again Franc!!). Is it some limitation of the mapnik styles that caused the US guys to create the similar tagging scheme? Ideally it could be solved with code instead of adding to the burden of tagging. Also looking at the the text for the Route section of the Au tag guide page, I think it is too verbose & mixes guidelines with reasoning & thoughts. Given it's a wiki, I might work on wording and make some changes (kind of similar to the OpenSource mantra of stop whinging, show me some code). The gist of it is leave: * mention old & new shield system * tagging example * Highway Refs (but name it something like "Network Refs" or "Sign Shield Refs") Move "Minor Roads" sentence to the Naming Streets sections (since that is what it is). Remove the distinction between Major & Minor Highways tagging, to something simple like: If a named route & a numbered route follow the same ways, combine into a single relation. If they finish at different spots or take different paths, create a separate relation for the named & numbered route. Example of a combined: name= Thingamajig Highway network=C ref=123 route=road type=route Thoughts / better ideas? BlueMM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] 4wd_only proposal
Final tally was 12 yes v 9 no so it passed. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:4wd_only%3Dyes ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
