Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
Hi All,
Just to let you all know, i signed up with your mailing list, and am happy
to help you all out. :-)
FYI I'm working with shp-to-osm.jar (java program) that ian dees made, and
am not using shp2osm (python) that others made ('cause i dont speak python
nor ibuntu language).
So I can be of assistance, and share what ive learned about the Canada
(CanVec data) and GeoBase data Import, and the crazy mess of data that we
have available up here.
Sometimes i'll cc the imports@ list, 'cause others might want to know too :)
about methods... as the problems/solutions are international.
Cheers,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails
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Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
2009/9/30 Evan Sebire : > > I adjusted the redfearn ( http://www.icsm.gov.au/gda/gdatm/redfearn.xls ) > spreadsheet and the values I got were 149D 08' 10''.13261 and -35D > 18'57''.42808 > If someone wants to convert the ACT data it may be easiest to use the > spreadsheet and then the data can be automatically feed into the cells. > > The Ellipsoid definition data: > Semi major axis (a) (m) = 6378160 > Inverse flattening (1/f) = 298.25 > False easting (m) = 20 > False northing (m) = 4510193.494 > Central Scale factor (K0) = 1.86 > Zone width (degrees) = 6 > Longitude of the central meridian of zone 1(degrees) = 149.009146139 > > Then use zone 1 I followed the instructions above to try and convert the first BBQ location in the XLS file to lat/lon and it ended up in the middle of a pond... http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=-35%C2%B0+27'+26.51971%22+149%C2%B0+04'+58.61814%22&sll=-35.496456,145.81604&sspn=3.33608,7.13562&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Point+Hut+Pond&ll=-35.455388,149.081935&spn=0.00326,0.006968&t=h&z=18 Since there is a few BBQs in that park I can't figure out which one is the one I'm looking for... 206,700 584,504 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
2009/10/3 James Livingston : > On 02/10/2009, at 9:01 PM, John Smith wrote: >> Might have to be a multipolygon, I just can't get it to render at all >> if I tell mapnik the tiles are dirty. > > I've just changed it over to be a multipolygon relation - if that > works, I'll go file a bug against the renderer. Still no rendering... http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-17.3&lon=128.703&zoom=10&layers=B000FTFT > In any case, many of the National Parks don't have significant numbers > of trees (e.g. that one, or the Barrier Reef), and for those that do > the NP boundary isn't where the trees start and stop. In this case we're trying to show a feature on a map, not the boundary line of landuse... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bird watching spots
2009/10/3 : > This weekend I think I'll be checking out some local bird watching spots > http://rankinssprings.googlepages.com/home > so does anyone have any ideas on tagging bird watching spots and hides? Bird hides: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/bird_hide http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/leisure%3Dbird_hide I couldn't find anything on spots, perhaps you could use leisure=bird_watching_spot ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> It shouldn't be too hard to hack up a quick db that can do a layer >> over the top, I think people were suggesting to put this info directly >> into OSM but that may over kill a simpler DB can do the same thing in >> the same way as the crime db does. > > FWIW, this via lifehacker: > http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/10/magpie-attack-hotspots-map-helps-you-avoid-those-evil-birds/ > I love the irony I'm thinking about bird watching and others are thinking about bird avoiding I love the comments on the magpies on lifehacker. I talk to the birds and while I get swooped i probably won't be actually hit until after the babes are learning to fly, because that's when they get really aggressive. I have other advantages, at the times I pass the sun is behind me and I can see the shadows approaching and not be swooped or hit without warning. The state of my bike helmet at the end of season will attest to being hit. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
On 02/10/2009, at 9:01 PM, John Smith wrote: > Might have to be a multipolygon, I just can't get it to render at all > if I tell mapnik the tiles are dirty. I've just changed it over to be a multipolygon relation - if that works, I'll go file a bug against the renderer. > A forest in the UK doesn't have to have trees, it was a hunting > area... Arguably that's landuse= not natural= then, but let's not start that argument here. In any case, many of the National Parks don't have significant numbers of trees (e.g. that one, or the Barrier Reef), and for those that do the NP boundary isn't where the trees start and stop. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM, John Smith wrote: > > It shouldn't be too hard to hack up a quick db that can do a layer > over the top, I think people were suggesting to put this info directly > into OSM but that may over kill a simpler DB can do the same thing in > the same way as the crime db does. FWIW, this via lifehacker: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/10/magpie-attack-hotspots-map-helps-you-avoid-those-evil-birds/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bird watching spots
This weekend I think I'll be checking out some local bird watching spots http://rankinssprings.googlepages.com/home so does anyone have any ideas on tagging bird watching spots and hides? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BTC mapper (Live POI uploader) launch event
The previous video was accidentally deleted, here's a new link to the video that should work once it's finished processing the upload: http://vimeo.com/6860509 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
On 02/10/2009, at 8:50 PM, Emilie Laffray wrote: > Regarding tags, when we worked on the Corine import in France, we > set up a page on the wiki where people were making their > suggestions. We then had a small debate on what was better and then > we voted. Indeed, hence my "I've uploaded a polygon, what do people think" post :) Since the WHA data is relatively simple (16 areas, although some are multiolygon) I figured I just upload one and see what people thought. If anyone think there are missing tags, or I've done it wrong, feel free to edit it. > And no, I am trying to preach anything here. I am just explaining > how we proceeded on the French mailing list. It took us several > months to end up completing the upload. And it is still uploading. I imagine we'd be doing much the same for any of the more complicated datasets, like the QLD castradal data ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] BTC mapper (Live POI uploader) launch event
Yesterday there was an official launch event held at the Hilton Hotel in Sydney. While we (work) obviously need to make a buck to survive, however it's also in everyone's best interest to raise the profile of OSM. One way we're trying to achieve this was by inviting mass media and tech reporters to the event. Here is a video from the launch: http://vimeo.com/6859611 There is a Q&A session at the end and you can actually tell they understand the benefits of contributing to OSM, and OSM in general and shortly there should be some news items published on this. Don't be offended by some of the off hand comments made, educating David is still a work in progess :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
2009/10/2 James Livingston : > The Maria Island NP (http://osm.org/go/uIcw8R7-) seems to render with > a boundary=national_park multipolygon. Assuming that it doesn't need > to be on a multipolygon relation if it can be done as a closed way, I > would imagine it should work. Might have to be a multipolygon, I just can't get it to render at all if I tell mapnik the tiles are dirty. > Google's satellite imagery would suggest that that NP had a dearth of > trees, so natural=wood or natural=forest wouldn't really be appropriate. Hence my comment about debate :) A forest in the UK doesn't have to have trees, it was a hunting area... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
2009/10/2 Emilie Laffray : > Regarding tags, when we worked on the Corine import in France, we set up a > page on the wiki where people were making their suggestions. We then had a > small debate on what was better and then we voted. > When it was too tight on terms of vote, it was one "benevolent leader" that > ended up choosing which tags we would be going with or not. > I am not saying that it is the way to go with all the new data that you have > but it is one way of proceeding once you are done analyzing all the data > that you have obtained. I'm not suggesting I had the right tags, I was just pointing out it didn't appear to render for me, and a possible solution. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
2009/10/2 James Livingston > On 30/09/2009, at 10:25 PM, Emilie Laffray wrote: > > I really like to see the vegetation cover and the forest!! What are they? > Shapefiles? If they are shapefiles, they come with their own projection > files and therefore can be easily converted into another coordinate using > ST_Transform inside Postgis. > > > At least some of them can be converted with shp2osm[0]. I converted the > World Heritage Area file on my machine, and just uploaded one of the > areas[1]. Does it look okay to people? If so, I'll go ahead and do the rest > of the WHA data. > > I also added a note to the new data.australia.gov.au wiki page[2] that > Hugh created. > > By the way, I apologize that I haven't been able to try converting some of the files. I have been swamped by work. If people wants to try, they will want to use gdal_polygonize. @John Regarding tags, when we worked on the Corine import in France, we set up a page on the wiki where people were making their suggestions. We then had a small debate on what was better and then we voted. When it was too tight on terms of vote, it was one "benevolent leader" that ended up choosing which tags we would be going with or not. I am not saying that it is the way to go with all the new data that you have but it is one way of proceeding once you are done analyzing all the data that you have obtained. And no, I am trying to preach anything here. I am just explaining how we proceeded on the French mailing list. It took us several months to end up completing the upload. And it is still uploading. Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
On 02/10/2009, at 8:42 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/2 James Livingston : > With the current tags you've used it probably won't render, since it's > a national park you're going to get into the whole is it natural=wood, > or landuse=forest type debate, I think both get rendered as a green > shaded area... The Maria Island NP (http://osm.org/go/uIcw8R7-) seems to render with a boundary=national_park multipolygon. Assuming that it doesn't need to be on a multipolygon relation if it can be done as a closed way, I would imagine it should work. Google's satellite imagery would suggest that that NP had a dearth of trees, so natural=wood or natural=forest wouldn't really be appropriate. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
2009/10/2 James Livingston : > areas[1]. Does it look okay to people? If so, I'll go ahead and do the rest > of the WHA data. With the current tags you've used it probably won't render, since it's a national park you're going to get into the whole is it natural=wood, or landuse=forest type debate, I think both get rendered as a green shaded area... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
On 30/09/2009, at 10:25 PM, Emilie Laffray wrote: I really like to see the vegetation cover and the forest!! What are they? Shapefiles? If they are shapefiles, they come with their own projection files and therefore can be easily converted into another coordinate using ST_Transform inside Postgis. At least some of them can be converted with shp2osm[0]. I converted the World Heritage Area file on my machine, and just uploaded one of the areas[1]. Does it look okay to people? If so, I'll go ahead and do the rest of the WHA data. I also added a note to the new data.australia.gov.au wiki page[2] that Hugh created. [0] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/shp2osm/shp2osm.pl [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2709838 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Data.australia.gov.au_projects ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
