Re: [talk-au] highway=living_street - what do people think?

[John Henderson]

John Smith wrote:
> I've marked one street as living street where pedestrians have more right
> of way than cars:
> 
> http://osm.org/go/ueTQqmgH8--

Very well - I'll leave it as living_street.

John


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Re: [talk-au] highway=living_street - what do people think?

[John Smith]

2009/10/16 John Henderson :
> I note that living_street isn't listed in the Australian tagging
> guidelines - hence my query.

99.999% of the time you should only use the Map Features page for
specific tags, the Aussie Tagging Guidelines is more to do with
translating from UK/Euro speak into Aussie, rather than defining our
own tags.

>From what I've seen in emails from those living in UK/Europe, living
streets seem to be common there, but seem fairly rare here. I've
marked one street as living street where pedestrians have more right
of way than cars:

http://osm.org/go/ueTQqmgH8--

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[talk-au] highway=living_street - what do people think?

[John Henderson]

I've tentatively tagged a couple of streets as living_street, because 
that seems the most accurate description in the international map 
features guidelines.

They're shown here (no names to be seen yet):

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-35.23413&lon=149.07783&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF

I note that living_street isn't listed in the Australian tagging 
guidelines - hence my query.

These residential streets (between Townsend Pl and Joy Cummings Pl) are 
clearly marked as shared vehicle/pedestrian use, and have a 10 km/h 
speed limit.

Also of interest is the roundabout to the north (clearly signposted as a 
roundabout) but with a single entry/exit point.

John

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Re: [talk-au] navit files

[Sam Couter]

Franc Carter  wrote:
> Hmm, I'm just in the early stages of browsing the code I got from svn in the
> last 6-8 weeks, my initial
> impression is that it does indeed return multiple match's for ways (up to
> 10). I'll need to wait until the
> weekend to confirm as only my carpc has an os release recent enough to
> actually compile it ;-(

It does return multiple matches, but only if the number of matching
attributes is the same. The attributes to match come from the big attrmap
string.
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Re: [talk-au] Routable Garmin Maps

[John Henderson]

Nick Hocking wrote:

> Thanks,   I still don't know what I was doing wrong but I can now show 
> this to some people at work who are showing a lot of interest, in 
> openstreepmap, hence my  other questions about navit and gosmore.

Using routable maps to suggest routes across town is a great way of 
finding things that need to be fixed.

> They were also very interested in whether we had speed limits on all the 
> roads.

There's very little of that in my neck of the woods.  And few multi-lane 
divided road sections have a lane count specified.  I've read that the 
"lanes=n" tag on these can influence routing.

> There are still some roads  between the highway and Yass valley way to 
> be mapped but I only dive dirt roads these days just prior to a service 
> of my car so that they can replace all the air filters etc.

There's a lot to be done, all over the place.  I'm retired, and have an 
older friend who likes to have a weekly drive from Canberra into the 
country.  We take his SUV, and he appreciates making a positive 
contribution by seeking out and mapping a couple of new roads each trip.

He has a Garmin GPS in his car, and finds the OSM maps I provide him 
much more accurate than the official Garmin/Sensis maps.  These are 
often out by hundreds of metres on dirt roads, as well as being out-of-date.

Sometimes I go back alone to do the more tedious "fill in" of roads 
which are residential, or don't in the direction we want.

John

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Re: [talk-au] Routable Garmin Maps

[Nick Hocking]

Ok - I've  worked out my problem.

I was still using the original link which now points to the non routable img
files.

I've now adjusted my bookmarks to point to the rouitable ones.
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Re: [talk-au] Routable Garmin Maps

[Nick Hocking]

Thanks John, Excellent - it now works.

You were right,  Everytime I downloaded the current zip file, I ended up
with a 13.6MB zip file and subsequently a 14MB img file.
I've now saved it to a completely different locations and now I have a
18.5MB zip file and a subsequent 24.7 MB img file that is fully routable.

Thanks,   I still don't know what I was doing wrong but I can now show this
to some people at work who are showing a lot of interest, in openstreepmap,
hence my  other questions about navit and gosmore.

They were also very interested in whether we had speed limits on all the
roads.

BTW, I like your mapping work around the ACT area.   When Liz mentioned that
there were some new divisions near Yass, I thought,... how did I miss them,
and planned to visit them the following Saturday, but you got there first.
Well Done.

There are still some roads  between the highway and Yass valley way to be
mapped but I only dive dirt roads these days just prior to a service of my
car so that they can replace all the air filters etc.

Cheers
Nick
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Re: [talk-au] navit files

[Franc Carter]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Sam Couter  wrote:

> Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.9378&lon=138.6228&zoom=13&layers=B000FTF
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.2954&lon=138.9733&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF
>
> Using the latest SVN version of osm2navit, these two and the one near
> Robertson NSW seem to turn out right. They're routable roads anyway, I
> don't know how admin boundaries affect Navit.
>


Hmm, I'm just in the early stages of browsing the code I got from svn in the
last 6-8 weeks, my initial
impression is that it does indeed return multiple match's for ways (up to
10). I'll need to wait until the
weekend to confirm as only my carpc has an os release recent enough to
actually compile it ;-(

cheers

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Re: [talk-au] navit files

[Liz]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Sam Couter wrote:
> Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.9378&lon=138.6228&zoom=13&layers=B0
> >00FTF
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.2954&lon=138.9733&zoom=12&layers=B0
> >00FTF
>
> Using the latest SVN version of osm2navit, these two and the one near
> Robertson NSW seem to turn out right. They're routable roads anyway, I
> don't know how admin boundaries affect Navit.

I'm still downloading the planet.bin 
I've just compiled the latest svn
The one near Robertson I redrew - the road has moved from the boundary

Next to work out is why the long distance routing is crazy. It might be 
related to which roads have speed limits and which don't

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Re: [talk-au] navit files

[Sam Couter]

Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.9378&lon=138.6228&zoom=13&layers=B000FTF
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.2954&lon=138.9733&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF

Using the latest SVN version of osm2navit, these two and the one near
Robertson NSW seem to turn out right. They're routable roads anyway, I
don't know how admin boundaries affect Navit.
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Re: [talk-au] Routable Garmin Maps for NSW

[John Henderson]

Nick Hocking wrote:
> A while back I could download the zip file for NSW from osmaustralia.org 
> , unzip it rename the img file to gmapsupp.img,
> copy it onto the Garmin Nuvi and I would have routable osm maps on the 
> Garmin,
>  
> Recently when I do this the maps are not routable at all and when you 
> try to set a route, it just sets off "cross country"

What size is your NSW file?  Is it the 18.16MB (or thereabouts) file 
from  http://osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php

The non-routable files are smaller.

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Re: [talk-au] Routable Garmin Maps for NSW

[Liz]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Nick Hocking wrote:
> PS - is navit useful yet  (maybe with some decent voice commands).
navit has funny long distance routing.
when we have the osm2navit sorted out - our trouble may be solved with the 
newest svn version I'll start talking with them about our routing problems.

it may be related to roads not having a max speed specified, for example, and 
I need to understand more about the routing algorithms before we can sort out 
why one can get sent hundreds of extra kms.

Liz


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Re: [talk-au] navit files

[Liz]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
> > Has anyone got a permalink to an area with this issue, so that I've got
> > something to test
> > with
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Liz  wrote:
> > > navit files built form osm data don't show a road if there is a reuse
> > > of the
> > > admin boundary for the road
> > >
> > > and so navigation around adelaide is going to be really interesting
> > > as a lot of main roads have just disappeared
> > >
> > > please guys
> > > don't reuse admin boundaries ( like ABS ) to replace perfectly good
> > > data that
> > > was already in the database.
> > >
> > > Just like i used to reuse the post office node for the place name and
> > > then the
> > > rendering rules changed for mapnik and none of those named places
> > > showed up on
> > > the map.
> > >
> > > :(
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.9378&lon=138.6228&zoom=13&layers=B000
>FTF
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.2954&lon=138.9733&zoom=12&layers=B000
>FTF
>

JS please 
what version of osm2navit are you uisng?


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[talk-au] Routable Garmin Maps for NSW

[Nick Hocking]

A while back I could download the zip file for NSW from osmaustralia.org,
unzip it rename the img file to gmapsupp.img,
copy it onto the Garmin Nuvi and I would have routable osm maps on the
Garmin,

Recently when I do this the maps are not routable at all and when you try to
set a route, it just sets off "cross country"

Am I doing somnething wrong? Do the overview and TDB files come into it
somehow?
And still, poi searching is fine but street names are not.


PS - is navit useful yet  (maybe with some decent voice commands).

I'll have to check out Gosmore as well to see if it has improved voice
commands.

Cheers
Nick
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Re: [talk-au] navit files

[Sam Couter]

Franc Carter  wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM, John Smith wrote:
> 
> > I wonder if it's possible to duplicate the object to break it up into
> > 2 objects instead of one, and strip appropriate tags from the
> > respective objects.
> >
> 
> Yep, that's the 'correct' solution that I am assuming, without having
> actually delved
> in to the code at the moment.

The solution outlined by cp15 (see Liz's earlier message) is to modify
attr_longest_match to return more than just one match when appropriate.

The hard part will be deciding how to determine when more matches should
be returned and what those matches should be. Returning too many matches
will greatly increase the size of the Navit map file, which is obviously
undesirable.
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