Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Arie Paap wrote: How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP Bellevue: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941lon=116.0263zoom=17layers=B000 FTF (both appear on southern side of Great Eastern Hwy if your browser window is wide enough; Node 332954025 is at the correct location). Should information be transferred to older node or should the new node be moved to correct position and old one deleted? Arie. P.S. Apologies to John for duplicate sent directly to him. the one i did i dragged the node to the surveyed place, merged the two, and left the source as bp?; survey i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown, so either its not bp any more, or because the node was close the new data has not been imported ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
2009/12/11 Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com: How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP Bellevue: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941lon=116.0263zoom=17layers=B000FTF (both appear on southern side of Great Eastern Hwy if your browser window is wide enough; Node 332954025 is at the correct location). Should information be transferred to older node or should the new node be moved to correct position and old one deleted? Actually some people have drawn an area and labelled it as amenity=fuel as well. As you pointed out, there is 2 options, you can copy the details and delete the new node, or you can move the new node and delete the old node, either should be fine. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
2009/12/11 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx I wouldn't bother with nowwhere, it's a mapds website and they are most likely hosting the data on behalf of caltex, and so they probably wouldn't be able or willing to release the data. http://www.shell.com.au/home/content/aus/products_services/on_the_road/shell_station_locator/site_locator.html http://apps.exxonmobil.com.au/apps/htm/mn_mobil_products_stations.asp After we've done fuel stations what about fast food locations? :) Then you have supermarket chains, and so on. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] National Public Toilet Map released under restrictive licence
2009/12/11 Liz ed...@billiau.net: a clear piece of evidence that getting Au data licensed for ODbL is going to be like pushing excreta uphill As James pointed out, CC-BY should be compatible, if all the other data on the site is licensed as such why wasn't this data set? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business
On 11/12/2009, at 8:02 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: so we don't need imported data? In most cases we don't need imported data, but it can be useful. For example rather than painstakingly crafting the entire coastline of Australia from a few GPS traces and a lot of imagery (much is relatively inaccessible), we can import it from someone's dataset and spend that large amount of time doing other things to improve OSM that we can't import data for. There are also some things where importing external datasets is the *only* way to get it into OSM. For example boundaries of areas that have no physical edge, just a (not necessarily straight) line on someone decided on at some point in time. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business
2009/12/11 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: so we don't need imported data? -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 From: paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com To: Liz ed...@billiau.net Liz, The coastline I did back in the old days was between Hastings in Sussex and Folkestone in Kent. I did this by walking along the high tide mark with my GPS. Bits of coastline that were inaccessible (e.g: Harbors, cliffs and off shore islands) were done with the assistance of Yahoo Aerial photos. Ok Paul, when you have enough time and energy to map 34,218 kilometres (21,262 mi) of coastline (excluding all offshore islands) of Australia let us know, in the mean time we will be making do with the imported data we have. We also don't have access to aerial imagery except a small fraction of the 7.8 million sq km of land mass, although with your help/donations I'm sure we could possibly get some more. In short put your money where your mouth is. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] National Public Toilet Map released under restrictive licence
2009/12/11 Liz ed...@billiau.net On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: The long awaited National Public Toilet Map has been released in XML (but not under CC-BY like many reports recommended) @ http://data.australia.gov.au/610 Instead, it's a click through licence that amongst other Proprietary terms requires anybody with database access to accept these terms again (but viewing generated map tiles is okay): 3.2 You may not sublicense your rights under these Terms to any person. If you require another person to access the Database for the Permitted Purpose (including a person you engage to design or build a Derivative Product on your behalf), that person must obtain a copy of the Database from the www.australia.gov.au website and comply with the Terms of this licence. Two steps forward, one step back. - Alex a clear piece of evidence that getting Au data licensed for ODbL is going to be like pushing excreta uphill I may be reading it wrong, but getting the data to work with cc-by-sa would not be possible either. Essentially, with OSM, you are doing sublicensing all the time due to the way it is working. But I could be understanding wrongly. In the case of Google, since they don't give you access to the database, it doesn't matter. I don't think it is here an odbl problem. Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
2009/12/11 Liz ed...@billiau.net: i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown, so either its not bp any more, or because the node was close the new data has not been imported I think you found it, unless you mean there is 2 BPs at Blanchetown? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, you wrote: 2009/12/11 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, you wrote: i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown, so either its not bp any more, or because the node was close the new data has not been imported Or the geodata is wrong and the node is 10km away. or they moved it 10km in the last year?? I'm yet to see any of the geo data being correct, they're all guesstimates based on the street address fed to the geolocation code. If the address is on a corner then the node will be sitting on a corner (eg the wagga one) but if the address is really helpful like Sturt Highway Blanchetown it could be anywhere. -- BOFH excuse #153: Big to little endian conversion error ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Qld police stations - potential OSM bulk import
Hi,
I think I have found a good datasource for OSM, but I've run out of
steam trying to manipulate it. If there is agreement the data is
useful and legitimate; similar to the BP import, I wondered if I could
ask for help, perhaps reapplying Johns' BP import code/procedure to
this dataset?
Queensland Police Stations XML File at :
http://drop.io/8j7bxdi/asset/extractedpoliceqld-xml
The data is all Queensland police stations, as listed on
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/station-locator/stationIndex.asp
There are also index pages to police shops and neighbourhood beats,
but I have ignored these.
The Copyright statement at http://www.police.qld.gov.au/copyright.htm
says that QPS are keen on reuse, and just want attribution, which I
thought might be easily achieved via a source tag(?)
Each station has a code, which links to a dynamic page with more detail.
Once you have a station code from the index page you can retrieve and
parse the source from a URL like this:
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/station-locator/station_locator.asp?code=${code}
For OSM purposes, as well as the station pages visible data (name,
phone number, address, suburb), within the source for each station
HTML page, the Qld police are supplying a lat and lon to whereis for
them to use for icon placement in an embedded map on the page, I've
checked a few of these and they appear quite accurate, (i.e. not
geocoded from an address).
I made an attempt at extracting the police station data from HTML into
the pseudo-XML file at
http://drop.io/8j7bxdi/asset/extractedpoliceqld-xml
(some manual and some automated work), but got stuck:
1) What format to transform it to - OSM? with what tags? how?
2) Would be great to generate a fixme tag generated HTML page,
(similar to the the BP one) for people to easily jump to PotLatch and
check/review
3) de-duplication if station already there (merging etc?)
A possible output tag template(?):
node id='-1' action='create' visible='true' lat='${lat}' lon='${lon}'
tag k='amenity' v='police' /
tag k='phone' v='${phone}' /
tag k='name' v='${name}' /
tag k='QueenslandPolice:stationId' v='${code}' /
tag k='QueenslandPolice:address' v='${address}' /
tag k='QueenslandPolice:suburb' v='${suburb}' /
tag k='fixme' v='not_reviewed' /
tag k='source' v='Queensland Police Service' /
tag k='website'
v='http://www.police.qld.gov.au/station-locator/station_locator.asp?code=${code}'
/
/node
So, in short, I can't finish what I have started; If there is
agreement the data is useful and legitimate, could I hand it over to
someone else to import? :-)
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: [talk-au] Blanchetown
On 09/12/2009, at 11:57 PM, Mark Pulley wrote: On 08/12/2009, at 12:27 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: BTW, my new years resolution is to survey Gundagai. It's a total discrace, It was traced and has never been visited and SURVEYED properly. I did some GPS traces of some streets in Gundagai in November, but I haven't had the chance to add the data yet. I've just finished editing Gundagai from my GPS traces and voice recordings. I've fixed the positions of some streets, added some new streets and added some names. Still some naming to go (I didn't have time to do any more when I was there), so it's not as disgraceful as it was before! http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-35.0677lon=148.1079zoom=14 Mark P. --- They offered to transport me back to any point in history that I would care to go, and so I had them send me back to last Thursday night, so I could pay my phone bill on time. (Weird Al Yankovic, Everything You Know Is Wrong) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Qld police stations - potential OSM bulk import
2009/12/11 Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com:
Hi,
I think I have found a good datasource for OSM, but I've run out of
steam trying to manipulate it. If there is agreement the data is
useful and legitimate; similar to the BP import, I wondered if I could
ask for help, perhaps reapplying Johns' BP import code/procedure to
this dataset?
Queensland Police Stations XML File at :
http://drop.io/8j7bxdi/asset/extractedpoliceqld-xml
Not sure if you dropped decimal places or not, but some locations only
has 2 decimal places which are only good to the nearest km
The data is all Queensland police stations, as listed on
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/station-locator/stationIndex.asp
There are also index pages to police shops and neighbourhood beats,
but I have ignored these.
Any reason you ignored these?
The Copyright statement at http://www.police.qld.gov.au/copyright.htm
says that QPS are keen on reuse, and just want attribution, which I
thought might be easily achieved via a source tag(?)
That just means:
attributation=Qld Police
1) What format to transform it to - OSM? with what tags? how?
.osm file format makes it easy to import because you just load it into
JOSM and then tell JOSM to upload all points at once.
2) Would be great to generate a fixme tag generated HTML page,
(similar to the the BP one) for people to easily jump to PotLatch and
check/review
This is fairly trivial to do.
3) de-duplication if station already there (merging etc?)
This is should be a lot easier than amenity=fuel since you don't have
competing companies located next to each other.
A possible output tag template(?):
node id='-1' action='create' visible='true' lat='${lat}' lon='${lon}'
tag k='amenity' v='police' /
tag k='phone' v='${phone}' /
tag k='name' v='${name}' /
tag k='QueenslandPolice:stationId' v='${code}' /
tag k='QueenslandPolice:address' v='${address}' /
tag k='QueenslandPolice:suburb' v='${suburb}' /
tag k='fixme' v='not_reviewed' /
tag k='source' v='Queensland Police Service' /
tag k='website'
v='http://www.police.qld.gov.au/station-locator/station_locator.asp?code=${code}'
/
/node
So, in short, I can't finish what I have started; If there is
agreement the data is useful and legitimate, could I hand it over to
someone else to import? :-)
There is already some police stations tagged in the DB, so I don't see
why it wouldn't be useful,
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