Re: [talk-au] Global warming?

2010-01-28 Thread Liz
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, John Smith wrote:
 The opposite is happening near Brisbane, seems land has been reclaimed
 from the sea:
 
 http://osm.org/go/ueGzkZIk-
 

Then the continent must be tipping



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Re: [talk-au] Global warming?

2010-01-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 January 2010 18:49, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
 Then the continent must be tipping

Maybe the moon got hit by a chunk of brown dwarf :)

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[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] Brisbane OSGeo meeting

2010-01-28 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message --
From: Shaun Kolomeitz shaun.kolome...@derm.qld.gov.au
Date: 28 January 2010 14:23
Subject: [Aust-NZ] Brisbane OSGeo meeting
To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org


Hello all,

We will be holding our first Brisbane Open Source Geospatial Users
Meeting on Tuesday week, 9 February 2009. I hope you can come along.

The aim is to network with others who are also working with, or
interested in Geospatial Open Source Software.

I've managed to get Cameron Shorter, the FOSS4G 2009 chair to attend,
to summarise the FOSS4G conference, and Geospatial Open Source
internationally and here in Australia.

Location:

Great Barrier Reef Room, Level 3, 400 George St (corner of Turbot)

Agenda:

4:30pm Arrive and informal networking

5:00pm Cameron Shorter to talk about the state of GeoSpatial Open
Source, and answer any questions

5:30pm Introductions from all in the room

6:15ish Head off to Cicada (275 George St) or somewhere else close-by

If you are interested in attending can you please RSVP by Tuesday 2nd
Feb for catering purposes.

Regards,

Shaun Kolomeitz
Principal Project Officer
Business and Asset Services
Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service
Department of Environment and Resource Management

Ph (07) 3330 5179
E-mail - shaun.kolome...@derm.qld.gov.au



As of 26 March 2009 the Department of Natural Resources and
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Department of Environment and Resource Management



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[talk-au] Tram stops and routes for Melbourne

2010-01-28 Thread Andy Botting
Hi there freedom lovers,

I've dabbled with a few little tram projects over the last couple of
years, so I'm interested in the state of the tram information for
Melbourne.

I've noticed that the stops in OSM are a little inconsistent and
incomplete, so I'd like to get them fixed.

Anyone on this list from Melbourne and catching trams, have probably
heard of 'Tram Tracker'. It's a web-services based system for
predicting the arrival of a tram at a particular stop. I've managed
write some little python scripts to compile a little database of all
the stops, with info like lat, lng, stop number, routes stopping at
each stop, and a few other little bits.

So, my questions here are:

  1. What sort of agreement do I need from Yarra Trams before this
information can be uploaded into OSM? What have others done in the
past? What can you do if they agree one day, then change their mind?

  2. Is there a particular format/method for uploading this
information? I guess I would need to manually remove the existing
stops first before pushing the new data in.

cheers,

Andy

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Re: [talk-au] Tram stops and routes for Melbourne

2010-01-28 Thread Franc Carter
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote:
 Hi there freedom lovers,

 I've dabbled with a few little tram projects over the last couple of
 years, so I'm interested in the state of the tram information for
 Melbourne.

 I've noticed that the stops in OSM are a little inconsistent and
 incomplete, so I'd like to get them fixed.

 Anyone on this list from Melbourne and catching trams, have probably
 heard of 'Tram Tracker'. It's a web-services based system for
 predicting the arrival of a tram at a particular stop. I've managed
 write some little python scripts to compile a little database of all
 the stops, with info like lat, lng, stop number, routes stopping at
 each stop, and a few other little bits.

 So, my questions here are:

  1. What sort of agreement do I need from Yarra Trams before this
 information can be uploaded into OSM? What have others done in the
 past? What can you do if they agree one day, then change their mind?

Generally you should get some form, either by a published copyright
that is compatible with the OSM license, or a specific statement
allowing OSM to import the data under it's license, if the general
copyright is not compatible.


  2. Is there a particular format/method for uploading this
 information? I guess I would need to manually remove the existing
 stops first before pushing the new data in.

For the couple imports I have done I have user perl (I would assume
python equivalent exist) modules to convert from shp/gpx/whatever to
the '.osm' xml format and then pushed it in with josm or an osm batch
upload script.

The long bits tend to be getting copyright agreement (which may be a
'not happening' scenario) and then working out what attributes to put
on the data - which i have done iteratively on the list.

(ps - Hi Andy - 'Intersect Franc')

cheers


 cheers,

 Andy

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[talk-au] Nokia to add radar to phones?

2010-01-28 Thread John Smith
Nokia have a prototype which they added radar, like the police used to
use till they upgraded to lidar, I wonder how useful something like
this would be in combination with other sensors and GPS etc to produce
more accurate location information...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/28/nokia_mobile_radar/

Towards the end of the clip they show someone walking to/away from the
phone and the phone displays the speed and direction of the person
also...

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[talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource

2010-01-28 Thread John Kitchener
Matt wrote:

Coastlines (and the inverse islands issues) have been ongoing for ages for
the Mkgmap produced Garmin files. There's a --generate-sea switch for Mkgmap
that sometimes works fine, other times, not so good. It's hit and miss
enough that I've never enabled it for the maps I generate.

Problem seems to come from a few different things - non-closed coastline
polygons, coastline direction changes, points where rivers join
sea/coastline etc.

There's a lot of chat on the mkg-map dev list over the last 6 months or so
regarding this.

Matt
---
Thanks Matt. Without 'sea polygons' it'll remain a complete mess for Garmin
displays. We need OSM to work in the 'real world' to accelerate uptake.

Hopefully the --generate-sea- switch comes good in Mkgmap. Until then .

John k

PS The OsmAustralia downloads appear stuck at the 26/1 at 22b. Happy
Australia Day. :)


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Re: [talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource

2010-01-28 Thread John Smith
This came up on the talk list:

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/047660.html

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Re: [talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource

2010-01-28 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote:
 This came up on the talk list:
 
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/047660.html

Thanks John.  Later today I hope to get a chance to try some of those 
ideas out.

I'll post back any findings.

John H

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Re: [talk-au] Tram stops and routes for Melbourne

2010-01-28 Thread John Smith
On 29 January 2010 08:29, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote:
 When writing this email, I had the import of the Vic Police stations
 in mind. I think this might be similar to what was done in that case.

The vic police stations were released under a cc-by license so we
didn't need to contact anyone to import them. There has been a couple
of data sets imported from http://data.australia.gov.au

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Re: [talk-au] Tram stops and routes for Melbourne

2010-01-28 Thread Andy Botting
Hi John,

 The vic police stations were released under a cc-by license so we
 didn't need to contact anyone to import them. There has been a couple
 of data sets imported from http://data.australia.gov.au

I was more referring to the technical problem (OSM xml format,
importing data) rather than the political one or getting a license for
the data.

I think it's a fantastic initiative by the government to release it
data. Kinda gives me the impression that they're starting to 'get it',
and this information should be free.

cheers,

Andy

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Re: [talk-au] Tram stops and routes for Melbourne

2010-01-28 Thread John Smith
On 29 January 2010 08:36, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote:
 I think it's a fantastic initiative by the government to release it
 data. Kinda gives me the impression that they're starting to 'get it',
 and this information should be free.

I don't know if they are finally getting it, or just keeping up with the Jones'.

Both the US and UK govrernments are in the process of releasing data,
or already have, in the US this included at least 3 high value data
sets and 300 or more data sets in total.

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Re: [talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource

2010-01-28 Thread John Henderson
I wrote:

 Later today I hope to get a chance to try some of those ideas out.
 
 I'll post back any findings.

OK, I'm the first to admit I'm operating outside my knowledge comfort 
zone here.  But I've tried adding:

--generate-sea=polygons,no-sea-sectors,close-gaps=2000

to the mkgmap command, and I've added:

natural=sea [0x32 resolution 10]
natural=land [0x27 resolution 10]

as the first two lines of the mkgmap polygons style file.

There's no improvement in the rendering of the ocean.

As I'm making a Garmin map which includes New Zealand, I had a look 
there.  The same problem exists - the ocean looks like land.

John H

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Re: [talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource

2010-01-28 Thread John Smith
On 29 January 2010 14:18, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
 as the first two lines of the mkgmap polygons style file.

 There's no improvement in the rendering of the ocean.

Read the thread I posted before, you have to tweak other things I think.

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[talk-au] OSM in Feb Silicon Chip

2010-01-28 Thread Andrew Gregory
OSM is briefly mentioned as a map source in the GPS Car Computer article  
in the Feb 2010 issue of Silicon Chip. There's even a screen shot! (Yick -  
lots of mini-roundabouts - should fix them sometime)

Thank goodness the sea levels hadn't risen while they were doing their  
article. ;-)

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Re: [talk-au] OSM in Feb Silicon Chip

2010-01-28 Thread John Smith
On 29 January 2010 17:41, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote:
 OSM is briefly mentioned as a map source in the GPS Car Computer article
 in the Feb 2010 issue of Silicon Chip. There's even a screen shot! (Yick -
 lots of mini-roundabouts - should fix them sometime)

Do you have a URL?

 Thank goodness the sea levels hadn't risen while they were doing their
 article. ;-)

Or dropped...

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