[talk-au] Question about relations
attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20120725/4a4432d9/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:55:24 +1000 From: Michael Hampson mhamp...@fastmail.com.au To: Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com Cc: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] LTUAE Message-ID: 500f27dc.2050...@fastmail.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed Ian, I did see some relations on the M4 that were broken, I'll go back and check them. Must learn more about relations too. Glad to hear you a sticking around John. :) Regards, Michael On 25/07/2012 8:18 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: But for metroad 10 for example, there were 2 x relations for metroad ten. I expected they were for north and south bound routes as that is the way they appeared to be listed in some other areas I checked so that is what I have done. Put one relation for north and the other for south. If that's not right let me know and I will fix. Not sure how a routing relation works anyway. For the Sydney metroads I have added directional route relations, that use two directional relations for each metroad. This allows the connectivity of the route to be checked quickly during the reconstruction phase, and otherwise does no harm. When we have reached the next stage of maturity we can decide if we want to merge them back into a single route relation with directional elements. So, yes, what you have done is correct. 2. for the road naming where the ref tag for metroad 10 was MR10 I have changed those to network=MR and ref=10. Same for the other roads I have worked on. Not *certain* that is correct though either so if someone could enlighten me would be good thanks That is correct. See the Australian tagging guidelines in the wiki. 3. state highway 29 continues from boundary street along pacific highway and then along delhi road, which makes that small section of the pacific highway sh29 *and* mr1. what should I use to reflect that? It can be part of both route relations. Just my own view on the redaction process. No issue with people who declined the licence agreement. However it was annoying for me to see one of the very first things I used for practice vanish in a puff of smoke. It was just a building outline, a coles supermarket. I named it, put in the opening hours, telephone number, full address details eg addr: city: etc etc. I turned it into a thing of beauty by entering approx 10 odd pieces of information, just for practice and learning. I thought it a bit harsh just because someone traced a building roof everything I added went as well. Tracing the building would have taken less than a minute. I spent 40 minutes researching and entering that extra detail on that single item. Your change sets are still available. You should be able to at least refer to the info you have added. And yes, the loss of data in this way is the hardest. One person just traces from an aerial and then does not agree. Others survey, add cycle facilities, names etc that are lost to OSM. I don't know if it still possible to better use some of this unattached data in the database down the track. Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20120725/5d8e2198/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:58:42 +1000 From: Michael Hampson mhamp...@fastmail.com.au To: Paul HAYDON cadmana...@live.com.au Cc: Talk-AU OSM talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Establishing Priorities on the Central Coast Message-ID: 500f28a2.3090...@fastmail.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed Paul, I'll do a little bit around Woy Woy when I visit in a few weeks. Let me know if there is anything specific you need looked at. Regards, Michael On 25/07/2012 3:49 AM, Paul HAYDON wrote: SO, any takers interested in getting organised on the N.S.W. Central Coast? (For arguement's sake, let's call it Woy Woy to Swansea - unless someone has a preferred recommendation). -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20120725/ff00d903/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:04:31 +1000 From: Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com To: Michael Hampson mhamp...@fastmail.com.au Cc: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] LTUAE Message-ID
Re: [talk-au] Question about relations
Adrian Plaskitt wrote: My specific question is, when the route passes down only part of a way, say just a few blocks of a longer street, how do you assign the relation to just a few internodes. Is it necessary to split the ways at the nodes and then just assign the relation to the segments between, or is it necessary to create a new way over the top which is just the walking route, or is there some method that is simpler that I have failed to appreciate. I'd split the way, like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/141369518 Here the end of Mandalay Beach Road has been split and the part of the road that belongs to the walking route has been added to the walking route relation ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/400098 in this case). The result looks like this on a map designed to show long distance hiking routes: http://hiking.lonvia.de/en/?zoom=17lat=-35.00144lon=116.53484 Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery
Don't worry too much about the Hume, it's almost fixed as far as i can tell. I think I fixed the last issue affecting routing between Melbourne and Sydney tonight. (hopefully) South west sydney is full of broken roads. I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a look, i'm not game to get too far into that mess. If you need a change, Adelaide is also a huge mess. On 24/07/2012, at 8:34 PM, Michael Hampson wrote: Hi Brian, Good have you on board Brian. Take a look at the Hume Hwy and M5 motorway if you get a chance. Both head south west out of Sydney. Regards, Michael On 24/07/2012 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi All I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some favourite places virtually! Regards Brian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Question about relations
On 25/07/12 16:07, Adrian Plaskitt wrote: Greetings all. I usually confine my mapping to bush tracks and cycle paths as this is what I am most interested in and is often not available from other sources. With the recent devastation of the base map I am remapping some of my local area, and rapidly realising how little I really understand, so forgive this basic question. I also find the wiki very hard to practically understand as it assumes a level of knowledge that is beyond me. I am interested in mapping/remapping the walking route the great north walk, which is an established relation. My specific question is, when the route passes down only part of a way, say just a few blocks of a longer street, how do you assign the relation to just a few internodes. Is it necessary to split the ways at the nodes and then just assign the relation to the segments between, or is it necessary to create a new way over the top which is just the walking route, or is there some method that is simpler that I have failed to appreciate. I am only able to use the potlach editor. Yes, split the way as required, and add only the relevant sections to the relation. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] relations
Thanks, fellas, I had worried that splitting ways would cause trouble with route finding etc as one street would become 2 adjoining streets with the same name. Regards, adrian From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 61, Issue 34 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:00:07 +0100 Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Question about relations (SomeoneElse) 2. Re: Redaction recovery (Leon Kernan) 3. Re: Question about relations (John Henderson) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:38:47 +0100 From: SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Question about relations Message-ID: 500f9477.6050...@mail.atownsend.org.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Adrian Plaskitt wrote: My specific question is, when the route passes down only part of a way, say just a few blocks of a longer street, how do you assign the relation to just a few internodes. Is it necessary to split the ways at the nodes and then just assign the relation to the segments between, or is it necessary to create a new way over the top which is just the walking route, or is there some method that is simpler that I have failed to appreciate. I'd split the way, like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/141369518 Here the end of Mandalay Beach Road has been split and the part of the road that belongs to the walking route has been added to the walking route relation ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/400098 in this case). The result looks like this on a map designed to show long distance hiking routes: http://hiking.lonvia.de/en/?zoom=17lat=-35.00144lon=116.53484 Cheers, Andy -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:35:34 +1000 From: Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery Message-ID: 18353cab-6f82-4d09-a7f4-5031dfbc3...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Don't worry too much about the Hume, it's almost fixed as far as i can tell. I think I fixed the last issue affecting routing between Melbourne and Sydney tonight. (hopefully) South west sydney is full of broken roads. I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a look, i'm not game to get too far into that mess. If you need a change, Adelaide is also a huge mess. On 24/07/2012, at 8:34 PM, Michael Hampson wrote: Hi Brian, Good have you on board Brian. Take a look at the Hume Hwy and M5 motorway if you get a chance. Both head south west out of Sydney. Regards, Michael On 24/07/2012 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi All I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some favourite places virtually! Regards Brian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20120724/5b340688/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:16:01 +1000 From: John Henderson snow...@gmx.com To: Adrian Plaskitt adrianplask...@hotmail.com Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Question about relations Message-ID: 500f8f21.2090...@gmx.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 25/07/12 16:07, Adrian Plaskitt wrote: Greetings all. I usually confine my mapping to bush tracks and cycle paths as this is what I am most interested in and is often not available from other sources. With the recent devastation of the base map I am remapping some of my
