Re: [talk-au] LPI Base Map - green areas ?
> On 17 Jan 2016, at 1:50 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 17/01/2016 1:12 PM, Nev Wedding wrote: >> On 17 Jan 2016, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: >>> On 16/01/16 11:47, Nev Wedding wrote: Though I don’t know the area you refer to, I feel landuse=water_catchment is an excellent choice and is the correct tag for an area that has a capture of water as specific defined use as already stated on https://www.wyong.nsw.gov.au/getmedia/7ca695e8-748d-4bca-beba-3b7bff8296e4/Mangrove-Creek-Dam-Brochure.pdf.aspx …says ‘Mangrove Creek Dam Catchment’ >>> The problem is that the area we are talking about is not the area in the >>> map you've linked to. > > It is at least a substantial proportion of it. > Note that the map also has the 'Mangrove Creek Weir Catchment' area that has > a similar colour, abuts one boundary > and some others areas (those are better differentiated colour wise) too. > >>> What we are talking about is a sub-section of that area that has been >>> protected for the purposes of drinking water supply. >>> >> I don’t see any problem with tagging a sub-section of the water catchment in >> a special way, with added tag restrictions if considered appropriate. >> The landuse=water_catchment does not imply that you have encompassed the >> entire catchment. >> If naming as ‘Mangrove Creek Dam Catchment’ would imply the entire area. > > A roadway can be tagged in subsections. Even if a subsection is omitted .. > the remainder are valid entries and each sub section carries the name. > I don’t agree with the asserted 'implication'. Yes, I think you are correct > >> >> I see that individually mapped rural private properties may have portions of >> each property reserved as protected water_catchment in the future as the >> country becomes more over populated. > > In the UK many farms are in 'water catchment' areas. > This is a problem for tagging 'landuse' .. many areas are used for more than > one thing. > A solution may come out of development of other tags by the tag tagging group > (ref RFC - Discourage amenity=public_building). > > If you want to explore what is going on in the UK .. a starting point is > http://environment.data.gov.uk/catchment-planning/ > > A possibly shorter start would be > https://www.nwl.co.uk/your-home/environment/catchment-management.aspx > Basically they want any run off or sub soil water to be up to a certain > standard, not carrying too much pollution within the water catchment area. > > >> Another I like is reservoir_watershed >>> Three problems: >>> >>> 1. OSM tags are traditionally based on UK English so that'd have to be >>> reservoir_catchment > > Some don't have a reservoir but simply use the local river/s (e.g. see > https://www.nwl.co.uk/your-home/environment/catchment-management.aspx). > > So reservoir_catchment does not 'work' for all. > > "Water Catchment" is used in the UK > http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/prs_inf_catchment.pdf > > watershed? One definition; and area or ridge of land that separates water > flowing into different rivers. So that definitely does not fit. > > > > >>> 2. This tag has already been used in a bulk import of data for >>> Massachusetts where I assume it means something in Massachusettsan law >>> 3. Implies that this represents the entire catchment of a reservoir but >>> we're only talking about a sub-section here. >>> >> Yes, I agree that reservoir_watershed and reservoir_catchment implies the >> entire catchment representation. > > highway=motorway ... implies the entire motorway? > > I don't think so. > > Some are tagging individual farm fields ... that are not the entire farm. > I don’t 'see' the implication that any tagged area or way has to be the > entire thing even if named. Agreed :) > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia
On 17/01/16 09:09, Warin wrote: wateruse=? :-) Picking nits; As boat yard would be on land ... perhaps boatyard should not be part of the waterway tag! landuse=industrial, industrial=boatyard? Yeah, that makes sense. :) I reckon probably waterway=boatyard should be reserved for the areas of water in e.g. slipways etc., adjacent to industrial=boatyard land. And thanks for adding your thoughts to the wiki too. :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:waterway%3Dboatyard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI Base Map - green areas ?
On 17/01/2016 1:12 PM, Nev Wedding wrote: On 17 Jan 2016, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 16/01/16 11:47, Nev Wedding wrote: Though I don’t know the area you refer to, I feel landuse=water_catchment is an excellent choice and is the correct tag for an area that has a capture of water as specific defined use as already stated on https://www.wyong.nsw.gov.au/getmedia/7ca695e8-748d-4bca-beba-3b7bff8296e4/Mangrove-Creek-Dam-Brochure.pdf.aspx …says ‘Mangrove Creek Dam Catchment’ The problem is that the area we are talking about is not the area in the map you've linked to. It is at least a substantial proportion of it. Note that the map also has the 'Mangrove Creek Weir Catchment' area that has a similar colour, abuts one boundary and some others areas (those are better differentiated colour wise) too. What we are talking about is a sub-section of that area that has been protected for the purposes of drinking water supply. I don’t see any problem with tagging a sub-section of the water catchment in a special way, with added tag restrictions if considered appropriate. The landuse=water_catchment does not imply that you have encompassed the entire catchment. If naming as ‘Mangrove Creek Dam Catchment’ would imply the entire area. A roadway can be tagged in subsections. Even if a subsection is omitted .. the remainder are valid entries and each sub section carries the name. I don't agree with the asserted 'implication'. I see that individually mapped rural private properties may have portions of each property reserved as protected water_catchment in the future as the country becomes more over populated. In the UK many farms are in 'water catchment' areas. This is a problem for tagging 'landuse' .. many areas are used for more than one thing. A solution may come out of development of other tags by the tag tagging group (ref RFC - Discourage amenity=public_building). If you want to explore what is going on in the UK .. a starting point is http://environment.data.gov.uk/catchment-planning/ A possibly shorter start would be https://www.nwl.co.uk/your-home/environment/catchment-management.aspx Basically they want any run off or sub soil water to be up to a certain standard, not carrying too much pollution within the water catchment area. Another I like is reservoir_watershed Three problems: 1. OSM tags are traditionally based on UK English so that'd have to be reservoir_catchment Some don't have a reservoir but simply use the local river/s (e.g. see https://www.nwl.co.uk/your-home/environment/catchment-management.aspx). So reservoir_catchment does not 'work' for all. "Water Catchment" is used in the UK http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/prs_inf_catchment.pdf watershed? One definition; and area or ridge of land that separates water flowing into different rivers. So that definitely does not fit. 2. This tag has already been used in a bulk import of data for Massachusetts where I assume it means something in Massachusettsan law 3. Implies that this represents the entire catchment of a reservoir but we're only talking about a sub-section here. Yes, I agree that reservoir_watershed and reservoir_catchment implies the entire catchment representation. highway=motorway ... implies the entire motorway? I don't think so. Some are tagging individual farm fields ... that are not the entire farm. I don't 'see' the implication that any tagged area or way has to be the entire thing even if named. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI Base Map - green areas ?
On 17 Jan 2016, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > On 16/01/16 11:47, Nev Wedding wrote: >> Though I don’t know the area you refer to, I feel landuse=water_catchment is >> an excellent choice and is the correct tag for an area that has a capture of >> water as specific defined use as already stated on >> https://www.wyong.nsw.gov.au/getmedia/7ca695e8-748d-4bca-beba-3b7bff8296e4/Mangrove-Creek-Dam-Brochure.pdf.aspx >> …says ‘Mangrove Creek Dam Catchment’ > The problem is that the area we are talking about is not the area in the map > you've linked to. What we are talking about is a sub-section of that area > that has been protected for the purposes of drinking water supply. > I don’t see any problem with tagging a sub-section of the water catchment in a special way, with added tag restrictions if considered appropriate. The landuse=water_catchment does not imply that you have encompassed the entire catchment. If naming as ‘Mangrove Creek Dam Catchment’ would imply the entire area. I see that individually mapped rural private properties may have portions of each property reserved as protected water_catchment in the future as the country becomes more over populated. >> >> >> Another I like is reservoir_watershed >> >> > Three problems: > > 1. OSM tags are traditionally based on UK English so that'd have to be > reservoir_catchment > 2. This tag has already been used in a bulk import of data for > Massachusetts where I assume it means something in Massachusettsan law > 3. Implies that this represents the entire catchment of a reservoir but > we're only talking about a sub-section here. > Yes, I agree that reservoir_watershed and reservoir_catchment implies the entire catchment representation. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI Base Map - green areas ?
On 16/01/16 11:47, Nev Wedding wrote: Though I don’t know the area you refer to, I feel landuse=water_catchment is an excellent choice and is the correct tag for an area that has a capture of water as specific defined use as already stated on https://www.wyong.nsw.gov.au/getmedia/7ca695e8-748d-4bca-beba-3b7bff8296e4/Mangrove-Creek-Dam-Brochure.pdf.aspx …says ‘Mangrove Creek Dam Catchment’ The problem is that the area we are talking about is not the area in the map you've linked to. What we are talking about is a sub-section of that area that has been protected for the purposes of drinking water supply. Another I like is reservoir_watershed Three problems: 1. OSM tags are traditionally based on UK English so that'd have to be reservoir_catchment 2. This tag has already been used in a bulk import of data for Massachusetts where I assume it means something in Massachusettsan law 3. Implies that this represents the entire catchment of a reservoir but we're only talking about a sub-section here. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia
On 17/01/2016 10:57 AM, Ross wrote:
Be interesting to see if it does.
I think it's one of those that may need a human to check and say yes
this is correct or not.
Cheers
Ross
On 17/01/16 09:47, Sam Wilson wrote:
Ah, yes! Good point, I'll fix that. :) But I think Osmose would still
complain, because landuse and waterway shouldn't go together. I
think. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose/issues#4030
wateruse=? :-)
Picking nits; As boat yard would be on land ... perhaps boatyard should
not be part of the waterway tag!
landuse=industrial, industrial=boatyard?
—Sam
On 17/01/16 07:40, Ross wrote:
Probably because landuse=commercial is for office buildings etc.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dcommercial
I'd suggest that it should be landuse=industrial
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dindustrial
Cheers
Ross
On 17/01/16 08:54, Sam Wilson wrote:
This is a very groovy tool. :-)
Can anyone help me with this error
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/5218289675 ?
I thought waterway=boatyard and landuse=commercial would be a
reasonable combination. ("Boatyard - a place for constructing,
repairing and storing vessels out of the water" says the wiki
.) But
then, it doesn't really make sense for that to be a 'waterway'...
Thanks,
Sam.
On 17/01/16 05:43, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:
Hello,
This is not fully setup, yet.
We switch from check the country in one piece to do by states.
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia_*&item=
If "approximate waterway" (or other) is not appropriate for
Australia we can switch off.
Frédéric.
As Prof. Farnsworth would say: Good news people.
It seems that some time in mid-December Australia was added to the
countries being analysed by Osmose:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia&item=
The map is here:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/
It's interesting that the most common error is "approximate
waterway",
I'm guessing that the algorithm may be tuned for European conditions
and our quickly sketched river look bad.
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Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia
Be interesting to see if it does.
I think it's one of those that may need a human to check and say yes
this is correct or not.
Cheers
Ross
On 17/01/16 09:47, Sam Wilson wrote:
Ah, yes! Good point, I'll fix that. :) But I think Osmose would still
complain, because landuse and waterway shouldn't go together. I think.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose/issues#4030
—Sam
On 17/01/16 07:40, Ross wrote:
Probably because landuse=commercial is for office buildings etc.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dcommercial
I'd suggest that it should be landuse=industrial
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dindustrial
Cheers
Ross
On 17/01/16 08:54, Sam Wilson wrote:
This is a very groovy tool. :-)
Can anyone help me with this error
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/5218289675 ?
I thought waterway=boatyard and landuse=commercial would be a
reasonable combination. ("Boatyard - a place for constructing,
repairing and storing vessels out of the water" says the wiki
.) But
then, it doesn't really make sense for that to be a 'waterway'...
Thanks,
Sam.
On 17/01/16 05:43, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:
Hello,
This is not fully setup, yet.
We switch from check the country in one piece to do by states.
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia_*&item=
If "approximate waterway" (or other) is not appropriate for
Australia we can switch off.
Frédéric.
As Prof. Farnsworth would say: Good news people.
It seems that some time in mid-December Australia was added to the
countries being analysed by Osmose:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia&item=
The map is here:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/
It's interesting that the most common error is "approximate
waterway",
I'm guessing that the algorithm may be tuned for European conditions
and our quickly sketched river look bad.
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Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia
Ah, yes! Good point, I'll fix that. :) But I think Osmose would still
complain, because landuse and waterway shouldn't go together. I think.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose/issues#4030
—Sam
On 17/01/16 07:40, Ross wrote:
Probably because landuse=commercial is for office buildings etc.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dcommercial
I'd suggest that it should be landuse=industrial
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dindustrial
Cheers
Ross
On 17/01/16 08:54, Sam Wilson wrote:
This is a very groovy tool. :-)
Can anyone help me with this error
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/5218289675 ?
I thought waterway=boatyard and landuse=commercial would be a
reasonable combination. ("Boatyard - a place for constructing,
repairing and storing vessels out of the water" says the wiki
.) But
then, it doesn't really make sense for that to be a 'waterway'...
Thanks,
Sam.
On 17/01/16 05:43, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:
Hello,
This is not fully setup, yet.
We switch from check the country in one piece to do by states.
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia_*&item=
If "approximate waterway" (or other) is not appropriate for
Australia we can switch off.
Frédéric.
As Prof. Farnsworth would say: Good news people.
It seems that some time in mid-December Australia was added to the
countries being analysed by Osmose:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia&item=
The map is here:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/
It's interesting that the most common error is "approximate waterway",
I'm guessing that the algorithm may be tuned for European conditions
and our quickly sketched river look bad.
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Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia
Probably because landuse=commercial is for office buildings etc.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dcommercial
I'd suggest that it should be landuse=industrial
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dindustrial
Cheers
Ross
On 17/01/16 08:54, Sam Wilson wrote:
This is a very groovy tool. :-)
Can anyone help me with this error
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/5218289675 ?
I thought waterway=boatyard and landuse=commercial would be a
reasonable combination. ("Boatyard - a place for constructing,
repairing and storing vessels out of the water" says the wiki
.) But
then, it doesn't really make sense for that to be a 'waterway'...
Thanks,
Sam.
On 17/01/16 05:43, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:
Hello,
This is not fully setup, yet.
We switch from check the country in one piece to do by states.
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia_*&item=
If "approximate waterway" (or other) is not appropriate for Australia
we can switch off.
Frédéric.
As Prof. Farnsworth would say: Good news people.
It seems that some time in mid-December Australia was added to the
countries being analysed by Osmose:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia&item=
The map is here:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/
It's interesting that the most common error is "approximate waterway",
I'm guessing that the algorithm may be tuned for European conditions
and our quickly sketched river look bad.
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Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia
This is a very groovy tool. :-)
Can anyone help me with this error
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/5218289675 ?
I thought waterway=boatyard and landuse=commercial would be a reasonable
combination. ("Boatyard - a place for constructing, repairing and
storing vessels out of the water" says the wiki
.) But then,
it doesn't really make sense for that to be a 'waterway'...
Thanks,
Sam.
On 17/01/16 05:43, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:
Hello,
This is not fully setup, yet.
We switch from check the country in one piece to do by states.
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia_*&item=
If "approximate waterway" (or other) is not appropriate for Australia
we can switch off.
Frédéric.
As Prof. Farnsworth would say: Good news people.
It seems that some time in mid-December Australia was added to the
countries being analysed by Osmose:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia&item=
The map is here:
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/
It's interesting that the most common error is "approximate waterway",
I'm guessing that the algorithm may be tuned for European conditions
and our quickly sketched river look bad.
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[talk-au] Osmose in Australia
Hello, This is not fully setup, yet. We switch from check the country in one piece to do by states. http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia_*&item= If "approximate waterway" (or other) is not appropriate for Australia we can switch off. Frédéric. As Prof. Farnsworth would say: Good news people. It seems that some time in mid-December Australia was added to the countries being analysed by Osmose: http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia&item= The map is here: http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ It's interesting that the most common error is "approximate waterway", I'm guessing that the algorithm may be tuned for European conditions and our quickly sketched river look bad. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
