Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data re-visited

2016-06-25 Thread Warin 

On 6/26/2016 10:11 AM, cleary wrote:
Thanks to Simon and Andrew for your responses which I now understand.  
Can I now follow-on and request clarification about other data from 
data.gov.au - for example the sources listed in the wiki for 
Queensland Local Government Areas and QLD Suburb/Locality Boundaries 
which are CC-BY-4.0 but do not have restrictions such as the mailout 
condition in GNAF address data.  Is it safe for me to add data from 
these Queensland administrative boundary data sources?
I'm sorry to be a nuisance about the legality of our sources but I 
struggle with some of the nuances and I don't want to create problems 
that need to be sorted out at a later date.


I too find legalese to be less than interesting.
There is a good deal of address data in NSW LPI base map... but it looks 
to me that it has to be manually entered so very labour intensive. My 
present thinking is it would be nice to have the start and end address 
house numbers for the business areas of cities/towns. But I already am 
dragging the chain in a few areas .. post offices and libraries from the 
LPI for instance. Then there is camp sites, tourist information offices..



On Sun, Jun 26, 2016, at 01:09 AM, Simon Poole wrote:


The simple answer is "NO", the G-NAF data is published under a 
non-open custom licence and currently can not be used directly in OSM.


Every communication we've had with the relevant authorities has 
indicated that they are at this time not moving away from the 
non-open licence. This may change in the future, but hasn't at this 
point in time.


Using it for QA etc. is likely possible, but given the low number of 
addresses we have in Australia to start with is likely not going to 
help a lot.


Simon

Am 25.06.2016 um 05:35 schrieb cleary:
I'm sorry that I'm slow in picking up an old thread from about six 
months ago but I remain uncertain about the implications.


As I understand the situation, the licence that accompanies the GNAF 
(address) data from data.gov.au is not itself adequate for OSM. 
However the data it is covered by the explicit permission to which 
Daniel O'Connor referred and which is clearly published in the OSM 
Wiki at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission. 
Therefore it seems we are able to use the GNAF (address) data in OSM.


Please correct me if I have misunderstood the issues in this discussion.






On Wed, Dec 30, 2015, at 08:51 PM, Simon Poole wrote:


I just had a quick look at the licence terms. While the license is 
based on CC by 4.0 (which is own can of worms) it unluckily 
contains a provision prohibiting specific use that makes the data 
clearly (as in we will never, in no circumstances be able to adhere 
to the terms) unusable for OSM and further means it does not meet 
the definition herehttp://opendefinition.org/od/1.0/en/.


Sorry

Simon


Am 07.12.2015 um 03:50 schrieb Daniel O'Connor:

Hi all,
Many of you may be interested in
https://blog.data.gov.au/news-media/blog/geocoded-national-address-data-be-made-openly-available

Provided the license is CC-BY-3.0 or better; we already have 
explicit permission to use said data:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission

For those of you interested in what specific data this is, I'd 
encourage you to have a read of:

https://www.psma.com.au/sites/default/files/g-naf_product_description.pdf

Of interest to us:
 * Address points with geocoding and full structured address 
information
 * Authoritive street names for a given suburb, with geocoding 
(points though, not polylines)
 * Authoritative suburb/locality points, geocoded - likely of 
better accuracy than ABS "Statistic Suburb" data.
 * Data refreshed quarterly; sourced from local and state 
government (so emailing your council to submit a data correction 
from survey is plausible)






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Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data re-visited

2016-06-25 Thread cleary 
 
Thanks to Simon and Andrew for your responses which I now understand.
Can I now follow-on and request clarification about other data from
data.gov.au - for example the sources listed in the wiki for Queensland
Local Government Areas and QLD Suburb/Locality Boundaries which are CC-BY-
4.0 but do not have restrictions such as the mailout condition in GNAF
address data.  Is it safe for me to add data from these Queensland
administrative boundary data sources?
 
I'm sorry to be a nuisance about the legality of our sources but I
struggle with some of the nuances and I don't want to create problems
that need to be sorted out at a later date.
 
 
 
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016, at 01:09 AM, Simon Poole wrote:
> The simple answer is "NO", the G-NAF data is published under a non-
> open custom licence and currently can not be used directly in OSM.
> Every communication we've had with the relevant authorities has
> indicated that they are at this time not moving away from the non-
> open licence. This may change in the future, but hasn't at this point
> in time.
> Using it for QA etc. is likely possible, but given the low number of
> addresses we have in Australia to start with is likely not going to
> help a lot.
> Simon
> Am 25.06.2016 um 05:35 schrieb cleary:
>> I'm sorry that I'm slow in picking up an old thread from about six
>> months ago but I remain uncertain about the implications.
>>
>> As I understand the situation, the licence that accompanies the GNAF
>> (address) data from data.gov.au is not itself adequate for OSM.
>> However the data it is covered by the explicit permission to which
>> Daniel O'Connor referred and which is clearly published in the OSM
>> Wiki at
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission.
>> Therefore it seems we are able to use the GNAF (address) data in OSM.
>>
>> Please correct me if I have misunderstood the issues in this
>> discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015, at 08:51 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
>>>
>>> I just had a quick look at the licence terms. While the license is
>>> based on CC by 4.0 (which is own can of worms) it unluckily contains
>>> a provision prohibiting specific use that makes the data clearly (as
>>> in we will never, in no circumstances be able to adhere to the
>>> terms) unusable for OSM and further means it does not meet the
>>> definition herehttp://opendefinition.org/od/1.0/en/.
>>>
>>> Sorry
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 07.12.2015 um 03:50 schrieb Daniel O'Connor:
 Hi all,
 Many of you may be interested in
 https://blog.data.gov.au/news-media/blog/geocoded-national-address-data-be-made-openly-available

 Provided the license is CC-BY-3.0 or better; we already have
 explicit permission to use said data:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission

 For those of you interested in what specific data this is, I'd
 encourage you to have a read of:
 https://www.psma.com.au/sites/default/files/g-naf_product_description.pdf

 Of interest to us:
 * Address points with geocoding and full structured address
 information
 * Authoritive street names for a given suburb, with geocoding
 (points though, not polylines)
 * Authoritative suburb/locality points, geocoded - likely of better
 accuracy than ABS "Statistic Suburb" data.
 * Data refreshed quarterly; sourced from local and state government
 (so emailing your council to submit a data correction from survey
 is plausible)




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Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data re-visited

2016-06-25 Thread Simon Poole 
The simple answer is "NO", the G-NAF data is published under a non-open
custom licence and currently can not be used directly in OSM.

Every communication we've had with the relevant authorities has
indicated that they are at this time not moving away from the non-open
licence. This may change in the future, but hasn't at this point in time.

Using it for QA etc. is likely possible, but given the low number of
addresses we have in Australia to start with is likely not going to help
a lot.

Simon

Am 25.06.2016 um 05:35 schrieb cleary:
> I'm sorry that I'm slow in picking up an old thread from about six
> months ago but I remain uncertain about the implications.
>  
> As I understand the situation, the licence that accompanies the GNAF
> (address) data from data.gov.au is not itself adequate for OSM.
> However the data it is covered by the explicit permission to which
> Daniel O'Connor referred and which is clearly published in the OSM
> Wiki at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission.
> Therefore it seems we are able to use the GNAF (address) data in OSM.
>  
> Please correct me if I have misunderstood the issues in this discussion.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015, at 08:51 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
>>  
>> I just had a quick look at the licence terms. While the license is
>> based on CC by 4.0 (which is own can of worms) it unluckily contains
>> a provision prohibiting specific use that makes the data clearly (as
>> in we will never, in no circumstances be able to adhere to the terms)
>> unusable for OSM and further means it does not meet the definition
>> herehttp://opendefinition.org/od/1.0/en/.
>>  
>> Sorry
>>  
>> Simon
>>  
>>  
>> Am 07.12.2015 um 03:50 schrieb Daniel O'Connor:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Many of you may be interested in 
>>> https://blog.data.gov.au/news-media/blog/geocoded-national-address-data-be-made-openly-available
>>>  
>>> Provided the license is CC-BY-3.0 or better; we already have
>>> explicit permission to use said data:
>>>  
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission
>>>  
>>> For those of you interested in what specific data this is, I'd
>>> encourage you to have a read of:
>>> https://www.psma.com.au/sites/default/files/g-naf_product_description.pdf
>>>  
>>> Of interest to us:
>>>  * Address points with geocoding and full structured address information
>>>  * Authoritive street names for a given suburb, with geocoding
>>> (points though, not polylines)
>>>  * Authoritative suburb/locality points, geocoded - likely of better
>>> accuracy than ABS "Statistic Suburb" data.
>>>  * Data refreshed quarterly; sourced from local and state government
>>> (so emailing your council to submit a data correction from survey is
>>> plausible)
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
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Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data re-visited

2016-06-25 Thread Alex Sims 
Hmmm,

If I just delivered mail to particular addresses (as I did to 150 today, have a 
list of addresses) does that mean that these addresses are now able to be 
imported from the GNAF?

Maybe I need to tag them as note:letterbox verified or note:GNAF import ok?

I’m not being flippant, and I think it might be a reasonably efficient method 
of getting addresses in - verify letterbox, import from GNAF which gives me a 
lat, long done. I think is quicker than trace outline, print out map, survey 
using map marking addresses down.

Alex


> On 25 Jun 2016, at 5:02 PM, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
> 
> This isn't the only issue, but at a minimum there is an extra clause
> in the GNAF license [1]
> 
>> The EULA terms are based on the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 
>> International license (CC BY 4.0). However, an important restriction 
>> relating to the use of the open G-NAF for the sending of mail has been added.
>> The open G-NAF data must not be used for the generation of an address or the 
>> compilation of an address for the sending of mail unless the user has 
>> verified that each address to be used for the sending of mail is capable of 
>> receiving mail by reference to a secondary source of information. Further 
>> information on this use restriction is available here.
> 

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Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data re-visited

2016-06-25 Thread Andrew Harvey 
On 25 June 2016 at 13:35, cleary  wrote:
> I'm sorry that I'm slow in picking up an old thread from about six months
> ago but I remain uncertain about the implications.
>
> As I understand the situation, the licence that accompanies the GNAF
> (address) data from data.gov.au is not itself adequate for OSM. However the
> data it is covered by the explicit permission to which Daniel O'Connor
> referred and which is clearly published in the OSM Wiki at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission.
> Therefore it seems we are able to use the GNAF (address) data in OSM.
>
> Please correct me if I have misunderstood the issues in this discussion.

This isn't the only issue, but at a minimum there is an extra clause
in the GNAF license [1]

>The EULA terms are based on the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International 
>license (CC BY 4.0). However, an important restriction relating to the use of 
>the open G-NAF for the sending of mail has been added.
>The open G-NAF data must not be used for the generation of an address or the 
>compilation of an address for the sending of mail unless the user has verified 
>that each address to be used for the sending of mail is capable of receiving 
>mail by reference to a secondary source of information. Further information on 
>this use restriction is available here.

I don't think the permission you point to waives this requirement.
Hence it's incompatible with being imported into OSM.

[1] https://data.gov.au/dataset/geocoded-national-address-file-g-naf

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Re: [talk-au] Possible illegal imports in Western Australia

2016-06-25 Thread Andrew Harvey 
Ok this should be all reverted now.

On 25 June 2016 at 09:12, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
> Ok, reverting the FIX SOURCES changesets in progress, it could take a while
> to finish, it's been running overnight and still going.
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