Re: [talk-au] CC 4.0 was Re: Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)
I am far from an expert and, like many others, I struggle to understand all the nuances. However, as I understand it, CC-BY-4.0 data can be used only if we are given explicit permission to use it. We asked for explicit permission and the request was declined. We had previously been given explicit permission for CC-BY-2.5 and CC-CY-3.0. Thus it is my understanding that we can retain or add any old data that was published under old licences and in accord with the permission previously granted, but we cannot update with recent data as that comes with a CC-BY-4.0 licence. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 07:45 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: > Is the problem CC 4.0 or is it the riders that have been added? I'm just > wondering if this is a general problem with the other data sets on > data.gov.au. > > On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote: > > Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department > > of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot > > use PSMA datasets in OSM. > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] CC 4.0 was Re: Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)
Is the problem CC 4.0 or is it the riders that have been added? I'm just wondering if this is a general problem with the other data sets on data.gov.au. On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote: Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot use PSMA datasets in OSM. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)
Only if you have a magic machine-image plug-in that draws the roundabout for you ;-) If it helps to illustrate the difference right up to this point: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2016-January/010828.html you could argue that the LPI import was "fully manual", but after that it was an import. On 11/07/16 18:35, Warin wrote: By this definition opening bing imagery and 'importing' a single roundabout, a track, a building outline etc would each need to be compliant with the import guidelines. On 7/11/2016 5:27 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: From the opening paragraph: "Importing (also known as Bulk Importing) is the process of uploading external data to OSM" the keyword is uploading. So as you open a shape file, kml, geojson, or whatnot in your favourite editor/script it then becomes an import. On 11/07/16 16:49, cleary wrote: Could I have clarification please? I had previously read the Import Guidelines as referring to large scale imports of whole datasets (which could have wide ramifications if there were problems) but not to items being added individually and incrementally as occurred with LPI NSW data. Do the import guidelines apply to all data from other sources even when only individual items are being added to OSM at any one time? On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have to go through before you start importing data into OSM*: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines *Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed to achieve two out of the five steps required with the NSW LPI import. Turns out that not planning an import does result in a not insignificant level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future. On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote: On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote: Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot use PSMA datasets in OSM. As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a result that there was no user of this name - I'm not sure how that works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM either. I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA by this user or anyone else. Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use their (boundary) datasets instead. The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit permission: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission Reuben ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)
By this definition opening bing imagery and 'importing' a single roundabout, a track, a building outline etc would each need to be compliant with the import guidelines. On 7/11/2016 5:27 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: From the opening paragraph: "Importing (also known as Bulk Importing) is the process of uploading external data to OSM" the keyword is uploading. So as you open a shape file, kml, geojson, or whatnot in your favourite editor/script it then becomes an import. On 11/07/16 16:49, cleary wrote: Could I have clarification please? I had previously read the Import Guidelines as referring to large scale imports of whole datasets (which could have wide ramifications if there were problems) but not to items being added individually and incrementally as occurred with LPI NSW data. Do the import guidelines apply to all data from other sources even when only individual items are being added to OSM at any one time? On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have to go through before you start importing data into OSM*: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines *Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed to achieve two out of the five steps required with the NSW LPI import. Turns out that not planning an import does result in a not insignificant level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future. On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote: On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote: Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot use PSMA datasets in OSM. As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a result that there was no user of this name - I'm not sure how that works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM either. I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA by this user or anyone else. Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use their (boundary) datasets instead. The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit permission: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission Reuben ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)
From the opening paragraph: "Importing (also known as Bulk Importing) is the process of uploading external data to OSM" the keyword is uploading. So as you open a shape file, kml, geojson, or whatnot in your favourite editor/script it then becomes an import. On 11/07/16 16:49, cleary wrote: Could I have clarification please? I had previously read the Import Guidelines as referring to large scale imports of whole datasets (which could have wide ramifications if there were problems) but not to items being added individually and incrementally as occurred with LPI NSW data. Do the import guidelines apply to all data from other sources even when only individual items are being added to OSM at any one time? On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have to go through before you start importing data into OSM*: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines *Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed to achieve two out of the five steps required with the NSW LPI import. Turns out that not planning an import does result in a not insignificant level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future. On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote: On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote: Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot use PSMA datasets in OSM. As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a result that there was no user of this name - I'm not sure how that works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM either. I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA by this user or anyone else. Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use their (boundary) datasets instead. The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit permission: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission Reuben ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
