Re: [talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites

[Warin]

The essential difference between these 'camping' activities is the 
provision of a self contained toilet. (A shower is then secondary.)


Where there is no self contained toilet the occupants then seek local 
relief and that can lead to problems. So that is a mapping issue for me.
One of the reasons why I prefer not to be directed to a 'rest area' for 
a tent site, those without a toilet tend not to appeal.



Some of the camper trailers are very well equipped .. they would need to 
be from the prices they charge.
I'd tend to lump them with caravans - they tow behind the vehicle. Much 
like lumping campervans with motorhomes?


On 02-May-17 08:59 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
I don't really think we'd have to differentiate between motorhomes & 
campervans, because really, they are the same concept, just different 
sizes, but crrying on from that, & just to throw another level of 
complication in :-), where do camper trailers come into things.


For clarification for those who may not be into camping, a camper 
trailer is effectively a tent mounted on top of a normal box trailer, 
that then folds out for use.


Under that list, would they be a tent or a caravan? For a short stop 
they don't usually need to be pegged down as a tent has to be, but 
they're also not just a pull up, open the door & that's it caravan?


Graeme


On 30 April 2017 at 10:21, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


I have raised this on the tagging list to get more people involved
.. on a European perspective they distinguish motorhomes from
caravans too ..

It looks like;

camping=yes (for all)
camping:caravan=yes/no
camping:tent=yes/no
camping:motorhome=yes/no

is the way to go?

I hesitate to add campervan to that list but I suppose it should
be added too..
I can see them asking what the difference is to motorhome (what
they are built from (bus/truck for motorhome, van for campervan)
size and toilet/shower are ones I would nominate).



On 26-Apr-17 06:17 PM, Warin wrote:

We'll get there. Crossed posts. No rush.

highway=rest_area
rest_area:camping=caravan ?

My previous post had :conditional ... and that is wrong.
I don't know about applying camp_site tags to rest areas,
maybe. Will think on it.

On 26-Apr-17 05:29 PM, David Bannon wrote:

Hmm, at risk of answering my own question, there is a key,
camp_site=* that is intended to apply to
tourism=camp_site. Could you apply it to a rest area as well ?

highway=rest_area

camp_site=basic

caravan=yes

tent=no

David


On 26/04/17 17:17, David Bannon wrote:

On 25/04/17 20:33, Warin wrote:

Take the respective 'tourism=camp_site' data to
'highway=rest_area' with 'caravan=yes'.


Just what will that mean then ?  That a caravan can
pull into the rest area ?  We will loose the
information that camping is, at least primafacie
allowed/practical ?

I don't think thats a good solution, if you then apply
it to other states, a disaster (NSW notoriously anti
"free camping").

David



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Re: [talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

I don't really think we'd have to differentiate between motorhomes &
campervans, because really, they are the same concept, just different
sizes, but crrying on from that, & just to throw another level of
complication in :-), where do camper trailers come into things.

For clarification for those who may not be into camping, a camper trailer
is effectively a tent mounted on top of a normal box trailer, that then
folds out for use.

Under that list, would they be a tent or a caravan? For a short stop they
don't usually need to be pegged down as a tent has to be, but they're also
not just a pull up, open the door & that's it caravan?

Graeme


On 30 April 2017 at 10:21, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have raised this on the tagging list to get more people involved .. on a
> European perspective they distinguish motorhomes from caravans too ..
>
> It looks like;
>
> camping=yes (for all)
> camping:caravan=yes/no
> camping:tent=yes/no
> camping:motorhome=yes/no
>
> is the way to go?
>
> I hesitate to add campervan to that list but I suppose it should be added
> too..
> I can see them asking what the difference is to motorhome (what they are
> built from (bus/truck for motorhome, van for campervan) size and
> toilet/shower are ones I would nominate).
>
>
>
> On 26-Apr-17 06:17 PM, Warin wrote:
>
>> We'll get there. Crossed posts. No rush.
>>
>> highway=rest_area
>> rest_area:camping=caravan ?
>>
>> My previous post had :conditional ... and that is wrong.
>> I don't know about applying camp_site tags to rest areas, maybe. Will
>> think on it.
>>
>> On 26-Apr-17 05:29 PM, David Bannon wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, at risk of answering my own question, there is a key, camp_site=*
>>> that is intended to apply to tourism=camp_site. Could you apply it to a
>>> rest area as well ?
>>>
>>> highway=rest_area
>>>
>>> camp_site=basic
>>>
>>> caravan=yes
>>>
>>> tent=no
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/04/17 17:17, David Bannon wrote:
>>>
 On 25/04/17 20:33, Warin wrote:

> Take the respective 'tourism=camp_site' data to 'highway=rest_area'
> with 'caravan=yes'.
>

 Just what will that mean then ?  That a caravan can pull into the rest
 area ?  We will loose the information that camping is, at least primafacie
 allowed/practical ?

 I don't think thats a good solution, if you then apply it to other
 states, a disaster (NSW notoriously anti "free camping").

 David

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