Re: [talk-au] Discussion H: public transport – the end game

2019-10-01 Thread Joshua Brown via Talk-au 
+1 to the above on these emails.

Happy to support either a ban or education on mailing list practice.

-Josh


> On 2 Oct 2019, at 4:32 pm, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:
> 
> +1 this is getting absurd.
> 
> What is the process for mailing list ban?
> 
> 2 Oct 2019, 01:40 by e...@mapillary.com:
> +1 to what Ewen said.
> 
> If we don't hear back from you I am in favour of blocking your emails. 
> 
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 09:39, Ewen Hill  > wrote:
> Herbert,
> Can we slow down a little and finalise one of these items and then move 
> on to the next please. We don't get much feedback from you after a number of 
> us have offered suggestions. There are no "thanks", no, "If you look at this 
> relation/way then this appears different". 
> 
> I would be only too happy to discuss offline some of your issues in a 
> Skype or email or any other method you wish. I, along with others would like 
> to know what the end game is. Are you doing a paper on OSM or are you a 
> committed editor or new to OSM. A lot of your questions could be answered by 
> Google or via the vast amount of information in the Wiki.
> 
>   I look forward to hearing from you off the list.
> 
> Ewen
> 
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 09:23, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au 
> mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
> # Discussion H: public transport – the end game
> 
> Bus routes (relations) were changed in the ACT in 2019 with the introduction 
> of Civic to Gungahlin light rail, effective 29 April 2019. The bus network in 
> Canberra changed from a mesh network (bumble buses) to a “hub and spoke” 
> system, the “Rapid” bus network. Now, fast buses connect town centres and you 
> change for local connections. This was a radical change with many bus routes 
> being abolished and news one established. The new “spoke” routes are name R1, 
> R2, … to R10. The route R1 is not a bus route at all but the Civic to 
> Gungahlin light rail.
> 
> Summary of changes required to OSM relations:
> - Many routes deleted
> - New routes added
> - Nomenclature of all routes changed.
> 
> Resources
> 1. A detailed, folded poster map that shows all the new routes. I am aware 
> this is almost useless for the online community. Locals can get a copy for 
> free.
> *Canberra Transport Guide: your guide to Canberra’s bus and light rail 
> network*, Transport Canberra, 2019.
> 2. A DINA4 overview map of the Rapid bus network can be found on the ACT 
> Government website for a map.
> https://www.transport.act.gov.au/getting-around/timetables/routes-by-number 
> 
> 3. The Transport Canberra website has a wealth of information about the bus 
> network in general.
> https://www.transport.act.gov.au/ 
> 
> 
> QUESTION
> An audit and possible correction of all bus routes are required, similar to 
> the audit of all bike routes (discussion G). Some routes may have been 
> changed already and others are forgotten.
> **How to do this?**
> I am hoping that somebody may have experience with this sort of problem in 
> other cities.
> 
> I welcome your comments.
> keywords: Australia, ACT, bus network, ACT Government, TCCS, light rail, 
> relation, public transport
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Re: [talk-au] Discussion H: public transport – the end game

2019-10-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny 
+1 this is getting absurd.

What is the process for mailing list ban?
2 Oct 2019, 01:40 by e...@mapillary.com:

> +1 to what Ewen said.
>
> If we don't hear back from you I am in favour of blocking your emails. 
>
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 09:39, Ewen Hill <> ewen.h...@gmail.com 
> > > wrote:
>
>> Herbert,
>>     Can we slow down a little and finalise one of these items and then move 
>> on to the next please. We don't get much feedback from you after a number of 
>> us have offered suggestions. There are no "thanks", no, "If you look at this 
>> relation/way then this appears different". 
>>
>>     I would be only too happy to discuss offline some of your issues in a 
>> Skype or email or any other method you wish. I, along with others would like 
>> to know what the end game is. Are you doing a paper on OSM or are you a 
>> committed editor or new to OSM. A lot of your questions could be answered by 
>> Google or via the vast amount of information in the Wiki.
>>
>>   I look forward to hearing from you off the list.
>>
>> Ewen
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 09:23, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au <>> 
>> talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> > wrote:
>>
>>> # Discussion H: public transport – the end game
>>>
>>> Bus routes (relations) were changed in the ACT in 2019 with the 
>>> introduction of Civic to Gungahlin light rail, effective 29 April 2019. The 
>>> bus network in Canberra changed from a mesh network (bumble buses) to a 
>>> “hub and spoke” system, the “Rapid” bus network. Now, fast buses connect 
>>> town centres and you change for local connections. This was a radical 
>>> change with many bus routes being abolished and news one established. The 
>>> new “spoke” routes are name R1, R2, … to R10. The route R1 is not a bus 
>>> route at all but the Civic to Gungahlin light rail.
>>>
>>> Summary of changes required to OSM relations:
>>> - Many routes deleted
>>> - New routes added
>>> - Nomenclature of all routes changed.
>>>
>>> Resources
>>> 1. A detailed, folded poster map that shows all the new routes. I am aware 
>>> this is almost useless for the online community. Locals can get a copy for 
>>> free.
>>> *Canberra Transport Guide: your guide to Canberra’s bus and light rail 
>>> network*, Transport Canberra, 2019.
>>> 2. A DINA4 overview map of the Rapid bus network can be found on the ACT 
>>> Government website for a map.
>>> https://www.transport.act.gov.au/getting-around/timetables/routes-by-number 
>>> 
>>> 3. The Transport Canberra website has a wealth of information about the bus 
>>> network in general.
>>> https://www.transport.act.gov.au/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> QUESTION
>>> An audit and possible correction of all bus routes are required, similar to 
>>> the audit of all bike routes (discussion G). Some routes may have been 
>>> changed already and others are forgotten.
>>> **How to do this?**
>>> I am hoping that somebody may have experience with this sort of problem in 
>>> other cities.
>>>
>>> I welcome your comments.
>>> keywords: Australia, ACT, bus network, ACT Government, TCCS, light rail, 
>>> relation, public transport
>>> ___
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>>>  >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org 
>>>  >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au 
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Warm Regards
>>
>> Ewen Hill
>> Internet Development Australia
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Re: [talk-au] Discussion H: public transport – the end game

2019-10-01 Thread Edoardo Neerhut 
+1 to what Ewen said.

If we don't hear back from you I am in favour of blocking your emails.

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 09:39, Ewen Hill  wrote:

> Herbert,
> Can we slow down a little and finalise one of these items and then
> move on to the next please. We don't get much feedback from you after a
> number of us have offered suggestions. There are no "thanks", no, "If you
> look at this relation/way then this appears different".
>
> I would be only too happy to discuss offline some of your issues in a
> Skype or email or any other method you wish. I, along with others would
> like to know what the end game is. Are you doing a paper on OSM or are you
> a committed editor or new to OSM. A lot of your questions could be answered
> by Google or via the vast amount of information in the Wiki.
>
>   I look forward to hearing from you off the list.
>
> Ewen
>
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 09:23, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au <
> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> # Discussion H: public transport – the end game
>>
>> Bus routes (relations) were changed in the ACT in 2019 with the
>> introduction of Civic to Gungahlin light rail, effective 29 April 2019. The
>> bus network in Canberra changed from a mesh network (bumble buses) to a
>> “hub and spoke” system, the “Rapid” bus network. Now, fast buses connect
>> town centres and you change for local connections. This was a radical
>> change with many bus routes being abolished and news one established. The
>> new “spoke” routes are name R1, R2, … to R10. The route R1 is not a bus
>> route at all but the Civic to Gungahlin light rail.
>>
>> Summary of changes required to OSM relations:
>> - Many routes deleted
>> - New routes added
>> - Nomenclature of all routes changed.
>>
>> Resources
>> 1. A detailed, folded poster map that shows all the new routes. I am
>> aware this is almost useless for the online community. Locals can get a
>> copy for free.
>> *Canberra Transport Guide: your guide to Canberra’s bus and light rail
>> network*, Transport Canberra, 2019.
>> 2. A DINA4 overview map of the Rapid bus network can be found on the ACT
>> Government website for a map.
>>
>> https://www.transport.act.gov.au/getting-around/timetables/routes-by-number
>> 3. The Transport Canberra website has a wealth of information about the
>> bus network in general.
>> https://www.transport.act.gov.au/
>>
>>
>> QUESTION
>> An audit and possible correction of all bus routes are required, similar
>> to the audit of all bike routes (discussion G). Some routes may have been
>> changed already and others are forgotten.
>> **How to do this?**
>> I am hoping that somebody may have experience with this sort of problem
>> in other cities.
>>
>> I welcome your comments.
>> keywords: Australia, ACT, bus network, ACT Government, TCCS, light rail,
>> relation, public transport
>> ___
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>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
>>
>
>
> --
> Warm Regards
>
> Ewen Hill
> Internet Development Australia
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Re: [talk-au] Discussion H: public transport – the end game

2019-10-01 Thread Ewen Hill 
Herbert,
Can we slow down a little and finalise one of these items and then move
on to the next please. We don't get much feedback from you after a number
of us have offered suggestions. There are no "thanks", no, "If you look at
this relation/way then this appears different".

I would be only too happy to discuss offline some of your issues in a
Skype or email or any other method you wish. I, along with others would
like to know what the end game is. Are you doing a paper on OSM or are you
a committed editor or new to OSM. A lot of your questions could be answered
by Google or via the vast amount of information in the Wiki.

  I look forward to hearing from you off the list.

Ewen

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 09:23, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> # Discussion H: public transport – the end game
>
> Bus routes (relations) were changed in the ACT in 2019 with the
> introduction of Civic to Gungahlin light rail, effective 29 April 2019. The
> bus network in Canberra changed from a mesh network (bumble buses) to a
> “hub and spoke” system, the “Rapid” bus network. Now, fast buses connect
> town centres and you change for local connections. This was a radical
> change with many bus routes being abolished and news one established. The
> new “spoke” routes are name R1, R2, … to R10. The route R1 is not a bus
> route at all but the Civic to Gungahlin light rail.
>
> Summary of changes required to OSM relations:
> - Many routes deleted
> - New routes added
> - Nomenclature of all routes changed.
>
> Resources
> 1. A detailed, folded poster map that shows all the new routes. I am aware
> this is almost useless for the online community. Locals can get a copy for
> free.
> *Canberra Transport Guide: your guide to Canberra’s bus and light rail
> network*, Transport Canberra, 2019.
> 2. A DINA4 overview map of the Rapid bus network can be found on the ACT
> Government website for a map.
> https://www.transport.act.gov.au/getting-around/timetables/routes-by-number
> 3. The Transport Canberra website has a wealth of information about the
> bus network in general.
> https://www.transport.act.gov.au/
>
>
> QUESTION
> An audit and possible correction of all bus routes are required, similar
> to the audit of all bike routes (discussion G). Some routes may have been
> changed already and others are forgotten.
> **How to do this?**
> I am hoping that somebody may have experience with this sort of problem in
> other cities.
>
> I welcome your comments.
> keywords: Australia, ACT, bus network, ACT Government, TCCS, light rail,
> relation, public transport
> ___
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> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
>


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[talk-au] Discussion H: public transport – the end game

2019-10-01 Thread Herbert.Remi via Talk-au 
# Discussion H: public transport – the end game

Bus routes (relations) were changed in the ACT in 2019 with the introduction of 
Civic to Gungahlin light rail, effective 29 April 2019. The bus network in 
Canberra changed from a mesh network (bumble buses) to a “hub and spoke” 
system, the “Rapid” bus network. Now, fast buses connect town centres and you 
change for local connections. This was a radical change with many bus routes 
being abolished and news one established. The new “spoke” routes are name R1, 
R2, … to R10. The route R1 is not a bus route at all but the Civic to Gungahlin 
light rail.

Summary of changes required to OSM relations:
- Many routes deleted
- New routes added
- Nomenclature of all routes changed.

Resources
1. A detailed, folded poster map that shows all the new routes. I am aware this 
is almost useless for the online community. Locals can get a copy for free.
*Canberra Transport Guide: your guide to Canberra’s bus and light rail 
network*, Transport Canberra, 2019.
2. A DINA4 overview map of the Rapid bus network can be found on the ACT 
Government website for a map.
https://www.transport.act.gov.au/getting-around/timetables/routes-by-number
3. The Transport Canberra website has a wealth of information about the bus 
network in general.
https://www.transport.act.gov.au/

QUESTION
An audit and possible correction of all bus routes are required, similar to the 
audit of all bike routes (discussion G). Some routes may have been changed 
already and others are forgotten.
**How to do this?**
I am hoping that somebody may have experience with this sort of problem in 
other cities.

I welcome your comments.
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Re: [talk-au] Discussion G: nomenclature for routes in the ACT (relations)

2019-10-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny 



1 Oct 2019, 04:49 by talk-au@openstreetmap.org:

> # Discussion G
>
Given that you are not responding to
any messages I would advice you to

- stop posting new threads
- learn how mailing lists are used
- map something in OSM
- post smaller and more clear message,
and respond to comments. Posting
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