Re: [talk-au] Australian maps for Garmin devices

[Andy Townsend]

On 01/05/2021 00:31, Ian Steer wrote:

Ian, where did you go to learn what to do with this data ?  (eg a nice little 
website somewhere ??)

Ian

(not Ian, obviously but) I wrote 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/38613 a while back 
to try and explain the basics to someone in Romania who was insisting on 
changing all the highway=track in Romania into unclassified roads so 
that they showed up on the (downloaded from elsewhere) Garmin maps he 
was using.


It doesn't cover contours but it might still be helpful.

Regards,

Andy




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Re: [talk-au] Mapping non-existent streets?

[cleary]

I'd say that we map what we can confirm "on the ground". The inclusion of 
non-existent features in OSM is of no help to anyone.  In rural areas, there 
are whole villages in which plans were approved and gazetted but never 
constructed or, having once existed, have disappeared as the population 
disappeared - google maps occasionally includes some of these streets but we 
shouldn't.





On Sat, 1 May 2021, at 9:09 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>  
> Partially carrying on from my question the other day about houses going 
> between two streets, how do we map streets that physically aren't there 
> any more, but officially are?
> 
> On the Gold Coast, parts of a couple of streets facing the beach were 
> washed away by cyclone-caused erosion many years ago (1960s), & were 
> never re-built.
> 
> However, Council still has them listed as gazetted road reserves, even 
> though the only thing now existing is a footpath (if that!), & there 
> are houses that are numbered as being on those streets.
> 
> Now that I've confused you all nicely :-), here are some pictures that 
> will hopefully help!
> 
> Sorry, I wasn't able to include the actual image as it's too big, but 
> please open this file & have a look!
>  image.png 
> 
> 
> You can see that the street name on the grass says "Esplanade", & the 
> address of the place that is outlined in blue is 478 The Esplanade, 
> Palm Beach. Its (& the 4 other houses adjoining) only vehicle access is 
> via a driveway in from the Gold Coast Hwy to the west. One of the 
> remaining physical portions of The Esplanade is also visible just to 
> the south, where it stops, & becomes a grass footpath heading north, 
> past the front of these blocks.
> 
> Some street view images of this spot:
> 
> https://goo.gl/maps/trRhaj4XXQssddMK8
> 
> & looking back from the other way (clearly showing that there is no 
> vehicle access from The Esplanade):
> 
> https://goo.gl/maps/kYHNLCsDFgEuYg3R6
> 
> How it currently appears in OSM:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-28.10353/153.46432
> 
> So, what do we do with the non-existent street?
> 
> There's mention on the Oz Guidelines, which suggests leaving it tagged 
> as a highway=residential, but with no vehicle access?
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#How_do_I_map_a_road_that_ISN.27T_there
> 
> Alternatively I could mark the existing path (actually tagged as a 
> bridleway) with either razed or removed highway=residential, but would 
> I then add the street name as well?
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:razed:
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:removed:
> 
> They could work when there is something there to tag, but in a 
> different location the same thing occurs with a missing road but there 
> isn't even a footpath in that area, just grass between the houses & the 
> beach, but it's still a named, gazetted road, with houses numbered off 
> that road?
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Australian maps for Garmin devices

[Ian Steer]

Ian, where did you go to learn what to do with this data ?  (eg a nice little 
website somewhere ??)

Ian

>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:18:39 +1000
>From: Ian Bennett 
>To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] Australian maps for Garmin devices
>Message-ID: <78b8c297-ae4b-0b92-1c4a-b395d50b5...@tpg.com.au>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

>Lads,
>   Anyone else use http://download.geofabrik.de/australia-oceania.html 
> other than me??
>   I have been using them for a number of years and I've had no problems 
> thus far. Data is "refreshed" 
>every 24 hours or so.
>   I had a few hoops to jump through with splitter.jar and mkgmap.jar to 
> get these (along with contour info from shonky >maps) onto my (very, very 
> old) GPS60CSX.
>   Full disclosure; I only use the '60 when bush walking, so I don't know 
> if routing works and other info works. That said, >POI's do display.
>   YMMV.

>Ian



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[talk-au] Mapping non-existent streets?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

 Partially carrying on from my question the other day about houses going
between two streets, how do we map streets that physically aren't there any
more, but officially are?

On the Gold Coast, parts of a couple of streets facing the beach were
washed away by cyclone-caused erosion many years ago (1960s), & were never
re-built.

However, Council still has them listed as gazetted road reserves, even
though the only thing now existing is a footpath (if that!), & there are
houses that are numbered as being on those streets.

Now that I've confused you all nicely :-), here are some pictures that will
hopefully help!

Sorry, I wasn't able to include the actual image as it's too big, but
please open this file & have a look!
 image.png


You can see that the street name on the grass says "Esplanade", & the
address of the place that is outlined in blue is 478 The Esplanade, Palm
Beach. Its (& the 4 other houses adjoining) only vehicle access is via a
driveway in from the Gold Coast Hwy to the west. One of the remaining
physical portions of The Esplanade is also visible just to the south, where
it stops, & becomes a grass footpath heading north, past the front of these
blocks.

Some street view images of this spot:

https://goo.gl/maps/trRhaj4XXQssddMK8

& looking back from the other way (clearly showing that there is no vehicle
access from The Esplanade):

https://goo.gl/maps/kYHNLCsDFgEuYg3R6

How it currently appears in OSM:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-28.10353/153.46432

So, what do we do with the non-existent street?

There's mention on the Oz Guidelines, which suggests leaving it tagged as a
highway=residential, but with no vehicle access?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#How_do_I_map_a_road_that_ISN.27T_there

Alternatively I could mark the existing path (actually tagged as a
bridleway) with either razed or removed highway=residential, but would I
then add the street name as well?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:razed:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:removed:

They could work when there is something there to tag, but in a different
location the same thing occurs with a missing road but there isn't even a
footpath in that area, just grass between the houses & the beach, but it's
still a named, gazetted road, with houses numbered off that road?

Suggestions?

Thanks

Graeme
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