Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Warin]

On 16/12/22 09:54, Phil Wyatt wrote:


Thanks folks,

 a consumer of EV chargers is unlikely to be using OSM as their 
primary source for charging information. Its more likely to be an app 
or in car service.



I believe the apps also give information on 'out of service' chargers ...

With a bit more effort they could also tell if any are 
vacant/available.. but that does not look to be the case as yet.


Possibly the apps give connection method (plug type/s) and charging rate 
(both $ and kWh)



OSM might still be a preferred method of navigating to the charger, just 
not the best method of getting real time charger information.
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Andrew,

 

I think that was the general idea behind this 
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/4985

 

Leave the name there and HOPE that folks add the extra details but in reality 
most folks didn’t (in Oz). Problem is, it is only implemented on selected EV 
charging_point entries so the consistency is the issue for me. The name could 
be used as an ‘advertising space’ for either a brand, operator or network so 
which should we consistently try to apply. I suspect as these roll out on a 
wider basis folks may wish to see their network in the name (Ie Tesla, Evie, 
NRMA, Chargefox, NextCharge) as they use these apps to discover sites, however 
the operators (like small businesses) might prefer their name up in lights.

 

I have edited a lot of the site names but all the Tesla ones will likely 
reappear due to the ID editor validation. I would like to ensure there is a 
consistent approach to all if possible.

 

Also some of the Tesla  unique names in their systems are somewhat spurious

 

https://www.tesla.com/en_au/findus?v=2 

 
=-41.41258012536085%2C150.17672076757816%2C-43.04954513167433%2C145.8563472324219=9=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty=dc75696

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Andrew Harvey  
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2022 1:33 PM
To: Sebastian S. 
Cc: Phil Wyatt ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Warin 
<61sundow...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask someone to 
meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's it's name. Just like 
we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the receipt would 
label it as, and what you might tell someone when referring to the store. It 
doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and branch=.

 

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 00:02, Sebastian S. mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > wrote:

Hi Phil,

I think you are getting to the real question...

So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give any 
REF or Name. It simply states the address.
The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' 
in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here).

For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want to 
see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I also would 
be happy to see the token on a rendered map.

Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.

I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , 
access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to dream 
right?

So back to the real question. Is the argument that 
' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used as a 
single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag and 
instead a REF tag?

Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the information 
from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea but unrealistic 
see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example where the city=Tuggerah.

I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.

Cheers Seb

On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Sebastian,

 

I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made 
from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name

 

Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? 
This usually goes in the ref key.

 

I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map 
without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling 
charging stations in that map instance. 

 

Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.

 

Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565

 

Cheers – Phil

 

From: Sebastian S. mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org  ; Phil Wyatt 
mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> >; 'Warin' 
<61sundow...@gmail.com  >
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
name is 

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Hi all, I’ve written a new blog post on sealed and unsealed roads in NSW. 
OpenStreetMap now has comprehensive coverage of road surface tags in NSW and 
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enjoy it. Best wishes Ian

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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 08:58, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

>
>
> There are some well attributed chargers out there -
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7814409569/
>

I'd question having the actual $ cost listed, rather than just fee=yes?

We tag servo's as having 91, 98 & diesel, but we don't attempt to say that
diesel is $2.29 / l as the prices are constantly changing.

Wouldn't the electricity cost via the charger also change on a regular
basis?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

Thanks folks,

 

For me its also about the name suggestion index adding a default name to a 
limited set of chargers that is not unique. In some cases the ‘name’ it adds is 
the same as the operator and network which just seems superfluous. Below are 
some links to the issue. What I am looking for is consistency of application.

 

https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/4985

https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/da630160e174cbe7682357cef7c91d6a6923d0be/data/brands/amenity/charging_station.json

 

As for searching, that’s up to the individual app designer or search engine on 
how they interpret the attributes that are in OSM (if they use that as a data 
source)

 

Personally, I think the ref field is where the unique reference for the 
operator/brand should be.

 

I think that much of the case for a ‘name’ is so it gets a label on the carto 
map but lets be honest, a consumer of EV chargers is unlikely to be using OSM 
as their primary source for charging information. Its more likely to be an app 
or in car service. Maybe the labelling of chargers via carto needs a revisit if 
this is the case.

 

There are some well attributed chargers out there - 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7814409569/ 

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Sebastian S.  
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 11:56 PM
To: Phil Wyatt ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org; 'Warin' 
<61sundow...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

Hi Phil,

I think you are getting to the real question...

So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give any 
REF or Name. It simply states the address.
The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' 
in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here).

For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want to 
see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I also would 
be happy to see the token on a rendered map.

Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.

I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , 
access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to dream 
right?

So back to the real question. Is the argument that 
' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used as a 
single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag and 
instead a REF tag?

Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the information 
from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea but unrealistic 
see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example where the city=Tuggerah.

I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.

Cheers Seb

On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Sebastian,

 

I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made 
from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name

 

Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? 
This usually goes in the ref key.

 

I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map 
without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling 
charging stations in that map instance. 

 

Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.

 

Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565

 

Cheers – Phil

 

From: Sebastian S. mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org  ; Phil Wyatt 
mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> >; 'Warin' 
<61sundow...@gmail.com  >
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the 
name tag, full length.

Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC 
charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or 
will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.

But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' 
Woolworths Dee Why '

Seb

On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Thanks Warin,

 

Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
operators/networks and locations

 

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Warin 

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Sebastian S.]

Hi Phil,

I think you are getting to the real question...

So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give any 
REF or Name. It simply states the address.
The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' 
in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here).

For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want to 
see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I also would 
be happy to see the token on a rendered map.

Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.

I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , 
access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to dream 
right?

So back to the real question. Is the argument that 
' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used as a 
single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag and 
instead a REF tag?

Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the information 
from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea but unrealistic 
see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example where the city=Tuggerah.

I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.

Cheers Seb

On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>Hi Sebastian,
>
> 
>
>I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made 
>from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?
>
> 
>
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
>
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name
>
> 
>
>Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other 
>networks? This usually goes in the ref key.
>
> 
>
>I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto 
>map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling 
>charging stations in that map instance. 
>
> 
>
>Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.
>
> 
>
>Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well
>
> 
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565
>
> 
>
>Cheers – Phil
>
> 
>
>From: Sebastian S.  
>Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
>To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ; 'Warin' 
><61sundow...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
> 
>
>Hello all,
>
>As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.
>
>I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
>names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
>Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
>name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the 
>name tag, full length.
>
>Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC 
>charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or 
>will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.
>
>But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' 
>Woolworths Dee Why '
>
>Seb
>
>On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt  > wrote:
>
>Thanks Warin,
>
> 
>
>Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
>operators/networks and locations
>
> 
>
>https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N
>
> 
>
>Cheers - Phil
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com  > 
>Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
>To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org  
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
> 
>
> 
>
>On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:
>
>My thoughts:
>
> 
>
>I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely 
>does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a 
>name.
>
> 
>
>"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there 
>would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging 
>some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. 
>
>The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way 
>OSM looses no information. 
>
>Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> - Ben.
>
> 
>
>On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt  > wrote:
>
>Hi Folks,
>
> 
>
>Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.
>
> 
>
>Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie 
>Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets 
>rendered on the map. 
>
> 
>
>Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost 
>by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags.
>
> 
>
>(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)
>
> 
>
>[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)
>
> 
>
>Cheers - Phil
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Charles Gregory]

Hi all, I just shared this on the community site so will share here for
completeness:
---
I think it depends on the type of charger. If it’s ABC Service Station or
XYZ Hotel and they have a charger on their site, as an ancillary feature to
their primary business, that they self own and manage, I don’t think it
needs a dedicated name.

If it’s ABC Restaurant and the company who installed/operates the charger
is different, then the name should be included. If it’s a shopping centre
which had many other tenants (all named, of which the charging operator is
another tenant), or just an unnamed car park in a town (where the charging
station is the only named feature), then the charger name is even more
relevant.

The apps for the various charging networks all list a name for each of
their sites, so there is a canonical name which can be used.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:09 PM Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Sebastian,
>
>
>
> I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be
> made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?
>
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name
>
>
>
> Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other
> networks? This usually goes in the ref key.
>
>
>
> I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the
> carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for
> labelling charging stations in that map instance.
>
>
>
> Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.
>
>
>
> Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well
>
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565
>
>
>
> Cheers – Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* Sebastian S. 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ;
> 'Warin' <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.
>
> I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla
> has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla
> Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'.
> For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is one of my
> key reasons to have the name tag, full length.
>
> Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current
> or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the
> are or will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.
>
> But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is
> ' Woolworths Dee Why '
>
> Seb
>
> On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Warin,
>
>
>
> Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions
> or operators/networks and locations
>
>
>
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:
>
> My thoughts:
>
>
>
> I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing
> definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially
> if 50% have a name.
>
>
>
> "Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And
> there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like
> tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'.
>
> The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that
> way OSM looses no information.
>
> Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*.
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Ben.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some
> 'name'.
>
>
>
> Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc
> (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets
> rendered on the map.
>
>
>
> Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are
> lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the
> correct tags.
>
>
>
> (I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)
>
>
>
> [Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Sebastian,

 

I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made 
from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name

 

Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? 
This usually goes in the ref key.

 

I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map 
without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling 
charging stations in that map instance. 

 

Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.

 

Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565

 

Cheers – Phil

 

From: Sebastian S.  
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ; 'Warin' 
<61sundow...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the 
name tag, full length.

Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC 
charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or 
will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.

But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' 
Woolworths Dee Why '

Seb

On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Thanks Warin,

 

Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
operators/networks and locations

 

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com  > 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org  
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

 

On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:

My thoughts:

 

I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely 
does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a 
name.

 

"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there 
would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging some 
petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. 

The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way OSM 
looses no information. 

Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. 

 

 

 - Ben.

 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.

 

Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie 
Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets rendered 
on the map. 

 

Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost 
by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags.

 

(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

 

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

 

Cheers - Phil

 




 

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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Sebastian S.]

Hello all,

As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.

I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has 
names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger 
Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the 
name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the 
name tag, full length.

Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC 
charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or 
will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.

But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' 
Woolworths Dee Why '

Seb

On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>Thanks Warin,
>
> 
>
>Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
>operators/networks and locations
>
> 
>
>https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N
>
> 
>
>Cheers - Phil
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
>To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
> 
>
> 
>
>On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:
>
>My thoughts:
>
> 
>
>I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely 
>does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a 
>name.
>
> 
>
>"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there 
>would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging 
>some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. 
>
>The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way 
>OSM looses no information. 
>
>Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> - Ben.
>
> 
>
>On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt  > wrote:
>
>Hi Folks,
>
> 
>
>Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.
>
> 
>
>Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie 
>Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets 
>rendered on the map. 
>
> 
>
>Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost 
>by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags.
>
> 
>
>(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)
>
> 
>
>[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)
>
> 
>
>Cheers - Phil
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Simon Poole]

See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565 while 
amenity=charging_station is not the worst offender, it is still pretty 
bad 
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/main/data/brands/amenity/charging_station.json


Am 15.12.2022 um 04:20 schrieb Phil Wyatt:


Hi Folks,

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have 
some 'name'.


Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator 
etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so 
it gets rendered on the map.


Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details 
are lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to 
the correct tags.


(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

Cheers - Phil


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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Phil Wyatt]

Thanks Warin,

 

Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or 
operators/networks and locations

 

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

 

 

On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:

My thoughts:

 

I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely 
does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a 
name.

 

"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there 
would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging some 
petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. 

The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way OSM 
looses no information. 

Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. 

 

 

 - Ben.

 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.

 

Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie 
Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets rendered 
on the map. 

 

Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost 
by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags.

 

(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

 

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

 

Cheers - Phil

 








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Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Warin]

On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:

My thoughts:

I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing 
definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, 
especially if 50% have a name.



"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And 
there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like 
tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'.


The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that 
way OSM looses no information.


Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*.




 - Ben.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

Hi Folks,

Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have
some 'name'.

Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the
operator etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc),
I suspect so it gets rendered on the map.

Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no
details are lost by making sure any operator or network details
gets added to the correct tags.

(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)

[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)

Cheers - Phil





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