Thanks folks,
For me its also about the name suggestion index adding a default name to a limited set of chargers that is not unique. In some cases the ‘name’ it adds is the same as the operator and network which just seems superfluous. Below are some links to the issue. What I am looking for is consistency of application. https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/4985 https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/da630160e174cbe7682357cef7c91d6a6923d0be/data/brands/amenity/charging_station.json As for searching, that’s up to the individual app designer or search engine on how they interpret the attributes that are in OSM (if they use that as a data source) Personally, I think the ref field is where the unique reference for the operator/brand should be. I think that much of the case for a ‘name’ is so it gets a label on the carto map but lets be honest, a consumer of EV chargers is unlikely to be using OSM as their primary source for charging information. Its more likely to be an app or in car service. Maybe the labelling of chargers via carto needs a revisit if this is the case. There are some well attributed chargers out there - https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7814409569/ Cheers - Phil From: Sebastian S. <mapp...@consebt.de> Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 11:56 PM To: Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com>; talk-au@openstreetmap.org; 'Warin' <61sundow...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers Hi Phil, I think you are getting to the real question... So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give any REF or Name. It simply states the address. The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here). For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want to see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I also would be happy to see the token on a rendered map. Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care. I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to dream right? So back to the real question. Is the argument that ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used as a single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag and instead a REF tag? Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the information from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea but unrealistic see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example where the city=Tuggerah. I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference. Cheers Seb On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote: Hi Sebastian, I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? This usually goes in the ref key. I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling charging stations in that map instance. Other apps may well use other OSM attributes. Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565 Cheers – Phil From: Sebastian S. <mapp...@consebt.de <mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> ; Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> >; 'Warin' <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers Hello all, As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names. I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the name tag, full length. Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or will be key stopover points that people will navigate to. But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' Woolworths Dee Why ' Seb On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote: Thanks Warin, Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or operators/networks and locations https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N Cheers - Phil From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote: My thoughts: I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a name. "Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way OSM looses no information. Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. - Ben. On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote: Hi Folks, Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'. Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets rendered on the map. Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags. (I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord) [Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u) Cheers - Phil _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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