Re: [talk-au] Tagging Trucks (hgv) "Use low gears"
Hi Guys, Thanks for the quick responses! Andrew Harvey: traffic_sign=AU:R6-22,G9-83 seems better than traffic_sign=AU:R6-22;AU:G9-83 but I can see why you say both would be valid. Q: Let's say there is also another sign "Zombies Ahead" that doesn't have a NTC code at the same location. Would that be separated with a semi-colon? and tagged as traffic_sign=AU:R6-22,G9-83;Zombies Ahead Graeme, ideally the "7km" is recorded in the tagging... mostly because some juro's do this so they don't need to place "end of signage". But on that subject Q: lots of signage such as G9-82 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Australia ) also includes the % slope. This is perhaps similar to the "7km" supplementary information on the sign and perhaps the same convention could apply to both. For example https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-35.0542594599&lng=138.5349290306&z=19.9&trafficSign%5B%5D=all&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=798881551059257&focus=photo&x=0.49105747415321865&y=0.5517154385592334&zoom=0 Cheers, Andrew On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 at 14:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Does it need the "7k" in there as well? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 at 13:54, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 at 12:44, Andrew Hughes wrote: >> >>> >>> Looking good. Given... >>> >>> Node: traffic_sign=AU:R6-22 >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3227568911 >>> >>> Way: low_gears:hgv=designated >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/245284221 >>> >>> Question: >>> >>> The tagging of the way does not use the AU:R6-22 (signage) code. >>> Can anyone elaborate on why this is? They seem like conflicting tagging >>> schemes. >>> >> >> You can if you like >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign#On_a_way_or_area. >> >> One is tagging the exact sign (which is specific to Australia), the other >> is tagging the restriction which the sign creates on the way (which could >> apply globally). >> >> Would someone be able to review this tagging... >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/132233374 >> >> >> That looks okay. The wiki does say >> >> In case of multiple signs separated by commas or semicolons, the prefix >> should appear only once at the beginning (except if signs from different >> prefixes are combined). >> >> Which would be traffic_sign=AU:R6-22,G9-83 >> >> but how you have it should also be acceptable. >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Trucks (hgv) "Use low gears"
Does it need the "7k" in there as well? Thanks Graeme On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 at 13:54, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 at 12:44, Andrew Hughes wrote: > >> >> Looking good. Given... >> >> Node: traffic_sign=AU:R6-22 >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3227568911 >> >> Way: low_gears:hgv=designated >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/245284221 >> >> Question: >> >> The tagging of the way does not use the AU:R6-22 (signage) code. Can >> anyone elaborate on why this is? They seem like conflicting tagging >> schemes. >> > > You can if you like > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign#On_a_way_or_area. > > One is tagging the exact sign (which is specific to Australia), the other > is tagging the restriction which the sign creates on the way (which could > apply globally). > > Would someone be able to review this tagging... >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/132233374 > > > That looks okay. The wiki does say > > In case of multiple signs separated by commas or semicolons, the prefix > should appear only once at the beginning (except if signs from different > prefixes are combined). > > Which would be traffic_sign=AU:R6-22,G9-83 > > but how you have it should also be acceptable. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What are the best practices for mass updating cycle paths?
Exactly. It looks like the website might also show "cycle friendly" streets which on the ground may have no infrastructure or signage, so not something we would map. On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 at 10:52, Ben Kelley wrote: > Practically, using this data would be difficult I think. > > Partly because there is a lot of stuff already mapped. The other problem > is that I have found Councils' web sites are a bit optimistic about how > much of their planned cycling infrastructure actually exists. It's hard > to know what is "on the ground" from their data sets. > > - Ben. > > > On 7/2/2023 10:40 am, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > > Hi > > Looking further City of Sydney Data Hub is licenced CC By 4.0 but OSM > > has been waiting on the waiver since 2020 "CC BY 4.0 - waiver sent > > 01/12/2020, "considering your request" on 03/12/2020" > > > > The licence for the cycle network data links to 2 logos, a CC by 4.0 > > logo and a "Open Data" logo which I can only find 2 other occurrences > > of in the net and no definitions. > > > > Tony > > > >> Hi > >> First check that its listed at > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Sources > >> If not ykou probably need to get them to sign a release > >> Tony > >> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I have been looking into cycle paths data in OSM and found that Sydney > >>> doesn't seem to have this dataset: > >>> > https://data.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/datasets/cityofsydney::cycle-network/explore > >>> > >>> > >>> This data is focused on the city centre. Are there any > >>> recommendations on > >>> how I should get about this, or if there are any best practices or > >>> guidance > >>> when uploading datasets from official sources? > >>> > >> > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Trucks (hgv) "Use low gears"
On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 at 12:44, Andrew Hughes wrote: > > Looking good. Given... > > Node: traffic_sign=AU:R6-22 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3227568911 > > Way: low_gears:hgv=designated > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/245284221 > > Question: > > The tagging of the way does not use the AU:R6-22 (signage) code. Can > anyone elaborate on why this is? They seem like conflicting tagging > schemes. > You can if you like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign#On_a_way_or_area. One is tagging the exact sign (which is specific to Australia), the other is tagging the restriction which the sign creates on the way (which could apply globally). Would someone be able to review this tagging... > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/132233374 That looks okay. The wiki does say In case of multiple signs separated by commas or semicolons, the prefix should appear only once at the beginning (except if signs from different prefixes are combined). Which would be traffic_sign=AU:R6-22,G9-83 but how you have it should also be acceptable. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Trucks (hgv) "Use low gears"
Hi Again, Would someone be able to review this tagging... https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/132233374 This is really two signs: AU:R6-22 and AU:G9-83 (ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Australia ) However, my tagging effort doesn't capture the "NEXT 7km" aspect of the AU:G9-83 sign. I've since found the sign in Mapillary here (please credit them appropriately if you make further edits): https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-34.99479658&lng=138.69892263&z=17.81534575874091&trafficSign=all&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=528596771464853&focus=photo&x=0.37678059918083406&y=0.529304273642301&zoom=1.3885102923238097 Many thanks, Andrew On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 at 11:41, Andrew Hughes wrote: > > Looking good. Given... > > Node: traffic_sign=AU:R6-22 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3227568911 > > Way: low_gears:hgv=designated > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/245284221 > > Question: > > The tagging of the way does not use the AU:R6-22 (signage) code. Can > anyone elaborate on why this is? They seem like conflicting tagging > schemes. > > > Thanks everyone for everything so far. > > > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 at 16:14, Phil Wyatt wrote: > >> I have just done Hobarts ‘Southern Outlet” as an example (and Mapillary >> available at this location) >> >> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-42.91186/147.30856 >> >> >> >> *From:* Bob Cameron >> *Sent:* Sunday, 22 January 2023 4:09 PM >> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Tagging Trucks (hgv) "Use low gears" >> >> >> >> Some Mapillary "data rich" slow vehicle locations. (ie for >> checking/testing sign recognition) >> >> - Dorrigo mountain - Waterfall Way. (Just west/north of Thora) NSW >> - Bendemeer to Moonbi - New England Hwy NSW >> - Black Mountain south - New England Hwy NSW >> >> On 22/1/23 15:01, Andrew Harvey wrote: >> >> >> >> Would anyone like me to create a mapillary challenge so we can tag a few >> of these examples? >> >> >> >> Looks like Mapillary does detect some of this signage, under signs >> "Trucks rollover" and "Steep descent", a MapRoulette challenge would be a >> great idea. >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Trucks (hgv) "Use low gears"
Looking good. Given... Node: traffic_sign=AU:R6-22 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3227568911 Way: low_gears:hgv=designated https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/245284221 Question: The tagging of the way does not use the AU:R6-22 (signage) code. Can anyone elaborate on why this is? They seem like conflicting tagging schemes. Thanks everyone for everything so far. On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 at 16:14, Phil Wyatt wrote: > I have just done Hobarts ‘Southern Outlet” as an example (and Mapillary > available at this location) > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-42.91186/147.30856 > > > > *From:* Bob Cameron > *Sent:* Sunday, 22 January 2023 4:09 PM > *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Tagging Trucks (hgv) "Use low gears" > > > > Some Mapillary "data rich" slow vehicle locations. (ie for > checking/testing sign recognition) > > - Dorrigo mountain - Waterfall Way. (Just west/north of Thora) NSW > - Bendemeer to Moonbi - New England Hwy NSW > - Black Mountain south - New England Hwy NSW > > On 22/1/23 15:01, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > > Would anyone like me to create a mapillary challenge so we can tag a few > of these examples? > > > > Looks like Mapillary does detect some of this signage, under signs "Trucks > rollover" and "Steep descent", a MapRoulette challenge would be a great > idea. > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
