Re: [talk-au] Railway Station Naming Dispute
I had a look at the Vicnames database which is about as official as it gets regarding registered geographic names in Victoria. According to Vicnames both stations were registered on 2 May 1966 as the one-word versions: Ferntree Gully and Upper Ferntree Gully. While I am loath to dispute the accuracy of a rail enthusiast web page which tend to be pretty thorough, I would place more faith in the official government name registry than a rail web page which says the name was changed in the 1970s, especially given the large amount of material that concurs with the "Ferntree" version. In any case, we should be mapping what's "on-the-ground" anyway, i.e. the station signage (unless this signage is contradictory in which case it may be required to use official records). Alex. > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 21:22:06 +1100 > From: Luke Woolley > To: OSM Australian Talk List > Subject: [talk-au] Railway Station Naming Dispute > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Doesn't happen too often on OSM, unlike Wikipedia, but i've found myself in > an edit war with another user and I would like some opinions. > > There are two railway stations in outer eastern Melbourne, Ferntree Gully and > Upper Ferntree Gully. These stations have in the past been named Fern Tree > Gully and Upper Fern Tree Gully. > > I've been changing the names for a while now to the one word version because > it's the current public spelling of the station. It's used in newspapers, the > Metlink (official melbourne public transport) website, virtually any signage > or publication uses the one word version. I feel that this version is > warranted on OSM in terms of it being what the station is publicly know as at > this point in time, and to help with searching (and any future implementation > of OSM data for journey planning) > > Another user has been changing the station names to the two word version. > Their explanation is that because the stations were officially named in the > two word fashion a while back. In recent times, the name changed back to the > one word version in all known publications and signage, but was not > officially changed back. > (http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/location/Ferntree-Gully and > http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/location/Upper-Ferntree-Gully) > > So any opinions as to how I should go about this? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
Should these keys be "attribution" instead of "attributation"? Alex. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] vandalism?
Someone had placed a POI in north western Tasmania for the Hampshire district, but with k=place,v=country, so it was showing up as a country label. I changed it to a hamlet for now. > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:40:01 +1000 > From: Liz > Subject: [talk-au] vandalism? > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: <201005181140.01468.ed...@billiau.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > on a low zoom map > Tasmania now appears as Hampshire > haven't got time to check it out ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] South Australia NPWSA Parks
The SA national park boundaries (and assets) were released under a CC-BY licence here: http://data.australia.gov.au/589 May be better to use that file rather than the one from http://www.naturemaps.sa.gov.au/ as they may be different data and the licence is OK on the Data Australia one. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Where do national/state park boundaries come from?
National and state park boundaries for Victoria (from the Department of Sustainability and Environment's Vicmap Lite package) were released under a CC - Attribution 2.5 Australia licence earlier this year. You can download the polygon data as a KMZ file here: http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/vicmap-lite-parks/73 For other states, the South Australian data is here (as Shapefiles): http://data.australia.gov.au/589 and there are various Queensland files on the same site. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bus, tram and train stop data license change
Very disappointing... I was browsing the http://data.vic.gov.au website yesterday and noticed that Metlink and the Department of Transport had released two datasets: the TransNET database of routes, stops and timetables, and a file of bus, tram and train stops. The TransNET file was under the DoT's restrictive license: only to be used for the 'App My State' competition, no commercial use, etc., however I was delighted to see that the stop information including very accurate lat/long coordinates was released under a CC - Attribution 2.5 Australia license! I spent much of the day preparing to import it and producing a wiki page to document the process and data... However, I returned to the site (http://data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123) today to find the license has been changed to the restrictive TransNET license! Google still has the CC-A2.5 version cached: http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:ZFC_fGJMI4MJ:data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123+metlink+site:data.vic.gov.au&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au Now according to the Creative Commons FAQ: "Creative Commons licenses are non-revocable. This means that you cannot stop someone, who has obtained your work under a Creative Commons license, from using the work according to that license." Any thoughts? I'm inclined not to proceed with importing or deriving from the data if it's likely to be an issue, even though it's probably on pretty safe ground given that the data actually was released under a CC license albeit for a ten day window, and I retrieved it under those terms and the Terms of Use of the website. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1
I wondered this myself, and I haven't got a definitive answer, but seeing the locality boundary data was derived from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, I spent some time on the ABS website to try and work it out. Under the Australian Standard Geographic Classification (AGCS), a locality can be classified in one of four ways: major urban areas (urban centres with 100,000 or more people), other urban areas (those with between 1,000 and 99,999 people), rural localities (places with 200-999 people), and rural balance areas (the rural remainder). I believe the "- Bal" indicates a rural balance area, that is, one with a low population (less than 200 people). This makes sense as it seems to apply to large areas with very low population density such as airports (Point Cook and Melbourne Airport). Alex. > Hi, > There are a few suburbs in the western suburbs of Melbourne with " - Bal" > in the name, like "Point Cook - Bal". Anyone know what these are? > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.9092&lon=144.7497&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF > > Also, Tarneit - Bal, Caroline Springs - Bal...maybe others. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
