Re: [talk-au] Bruxner Motorway

2015-01-24 Thread SomeoneElse 

On 24/01/2015 11:41, Leon Kernan wrote:
It may have been a few years since I've been to northern NSW, however 
this doesn't look right to me.


http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/-28.8528/153.4695

Anyone familiar with the area able to confirm there is/isn't a brand 
new Bruxner Motorway between the Pacific Highway and Casino?

I can't find any info about it.



The changeset comment "This is a temporary change for capture purposes 
for new motorway (M60) " isn't promising :)


It's a relatively new mapper with relatively few changesets so perhaps 
they just need a bit of help understanding what OSM is and how best to 
visualise what they're trying to show?


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Re: [talk-au] Cycling network tag

2014-12-15 Thread SomeoneElse 

On 08/12/2014 11:25, Steve Bennett wrote:



It was quite an eye opener for me earlier this year to cycle in the UK 
to discover that they really do have LCN, RCN, and NCN. And they're 
slightly different from what I expected: NCN is basically a network 
that links towns together, LCN and other stuff, but with the same goal 
of efficiently getting from place to place. RCN is a cycle tourism 
network, and follows scenic, rather than efficient, routes. (Following 
an NCN route is often disappointing...)




I think that it depends a bit where you are.  In some places NCN routes 
are essentially boring "cycle motorways", but in the more interesting 
bits of the UK countryside there are places where NCN routes need more 
just than a city bike.  In those cases I'd just try and tag surface and 
mtb:scale appropriately so that cycle routers and renderers can work 
appropriately.


The "cycle tourism network" that I suspect that you're referring to is 
the "National Byway" http://www.nationalbyway.org/welcome.asp which is a 
bit of a one-off - there are other RCNs that suit different cycling 
styles and needs.


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Re: [talk-au] Automating the replacement of abbreviation of street names

2014-03-02 Thread SomeoneElse 

Frank wrote:
I'm toying with automating the replacement of abbreviation of street 
names e.g. St to Street, Ave to Avenue etc.


I think that people in the USA had similar issues with TIGER data and 
created a bunch of tools to do the conversions.  It might be worth 
asking somewhere that USA folks hang out about it (maybe talk@ or #osm 
on IRC).


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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

2014-02-15 Thread SomeoneElse 

There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081

Are they valid?

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

2014-02-12 Thread SomeoneElse 

SomeoneElse wrote:

Leon Kernan wrote:

What a mess.  I've been trying to revert his edits with not much luck.
There is a problem with relations that i can't get the revert tool to 
figure out.


Can someone with a bit more experience with JOSM and reverter please 
take a look at changeset #20390092 ?


I'll have a go at 20390092 and see how things go.


Right, that's reverted, but JOSM was unable to upload changes to three 
relations:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2898638

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/543673

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2205919

In each case some older ways have been replaced by some newer ones, so 
it should be possible to fill in the gaps manually.  2898638 is a bus 
route, but there's little possibility of variation in the gaps. The 
other two are both "Western Highway" relations (not sure why there were 
two).


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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

2014-02-12 Thread SomeoneElse 

Leon Kernan wrote:

What a mess.  I've been trying to revert his edits with not much luck.
There is a problem with relations that i can't get the revert tool to 
figure out.


Can someone with a bit more experience with JOSM and reverter please 
take a look at changeset #20390092 ?


I'll have a go at 20390092 and see how things go.

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

2014-02-10 Thread SomeoneElse 

Stéphane Guillou wrote:

 but has anyone written to ask them to justify their edits?


Yes - one of the Scottish guys who spotted the problems north of 
Edinburgh in the UK.  I mentioned it here because I figured that not too 
many people would be suscribed to both talk-gb and talk-au.


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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

2014-02-10 Thread SomeoneElse 

Leon Kernan wrote:

Sorry guys, another one.

This change is just pure vandalism.  He's created non-existent 
freeways and roads around Ballarat.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20425446



Has anyone got any idea about the NSW ones such as:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20409456

Would it be possible to put together a list of changes that need 
reverting (or is that just "everything")?


If someone more local than me wants to have a go at the reversions that 
would make sense (more likely to be able to resolve any edit clashes 
correctly), but if not I could have a go once the full list of changes 
to revert is known.


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[talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

2014-02-10 Thread SomeoneElse 
Just for a info, the people on the talk-gb list have noticed a number of 
edits upgrading unfinished motorways to "constructed" status.  The same 
user has made similar edits in Australia, the most recent of which is:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20479197

Are these valid (i.e. have these roads been completed ahead of schedule) 
or is there a problem here as well?


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Re: [talk-au] JOSM and losing Bing Hi Res zoom recently

2013-12-05 Thread SomeoneElse 

Jason Ward wrote:


Extra / New Info.  The OSM iD (in-browser) editor is also not showing 
the Bing Hi res images (so its not just me!)  Something has happened 
recently.  I'd be interested to here from other BNE mappers because I 
am confuzzled.




Not just Australia either - someone on IRC mentioned that the highest 
zoom Bing tiles in Essex, England had disappeared earlier today.


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Re: [talk-au] Making Garmin IMG for Bushwalking - Insanity starts

2013-07-17 Thread SomeoneElse 

Brett Russell wrote:
Ok the first step is getting the OSM data.  I am aware that 
http://download.geofabrik.de/ provides .pbf files but for Australia it 
is 145MB.  Bit much of a download for a mobile phone given that I am 
looking to update Tassie every week




So does anyone know where I will find a site to download a pdf format 
file for Tassie and more importantly how to do this.


I suspect that the sub-regions that got added at 
http://download.geofabrik.de/ got added because someone asked for them, 
so you could always try that!


Failing that someone who's not on a mobile phone connection would need 
to download the .pbf for Australia and then split it with Osmosis 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis).  Given the shape of the 
state boundaries I'd have thought that simple lat/long based splitting 
would work, with only Vic/NSW/ACT being at all "complicated".


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Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector

2013-06-26 Thread SomeoneElse 

Brett Russell wrote:



One strange thing though.  In Polatch 2 the lake is no longer coloured 
blue like other lakes.  Is this a side effect of having an island?


Not sure if its related, but see this message from Richard (the Potlatch 
author) about a lake a few thousand KM away:


http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/potlatch-dev/2013-June/001994.html

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Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve

2013-06-25 Thread SomeoneElse 

Paul Norman wrote:
It's important to remember that leisure=park doesn't apply to all parks. 


I'm guessing that the second "park" in that sentence is used in the 
North American "national/state park" sense whereas the one in the 
original question usage sounded closer to British English usage*.


However one example, Kings Park in Perth, has it's entire area as a 
"leisure=park", even the "maintained bushland" part:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4850399

This does make some sense to me as the maintenance of the bushlands part 
is surely just as artificial as the manicured lawns to the east.  The 
first English stateley home parks were very much "highly engineered to 
look natural" too.


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* IANA Australian, so can't particularly comment on that...


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Re: [talk-au] JOSM and OSM reliability!

2013-04-30 Thread SomeoneElse 

Brett Russell wrote:

  In all very frustrating as I do more complex mapping task.


One thought that springs to mind is, the next time something seems to be 
going a bit wrong, perhaps try and talk to someone "live" in one of the 
IRC channels?  The main international one "#osm" has people in it most 
of the day (obviously mostly people from Asia and Europe during their 
day and North and South America during theirs):


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Irc

(there is an Australian channel on that list, although I'm not sure how 
active it is).


Someone will usually be able to help with things like "I'm trying to 
edit X and it doesn't seem to be working" and "I've just got Y error 
message".  If you don't have an IRC client there's also the option to 
connect to the most popular channels via the web (there's a link on that 
wiki page).


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Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects?

2013-04-22 Thread SomeoneElse 

Brett Russell wrote:


I am working my way around the State and noticed a few edits to tracks 
that I have put in.  The history function option in Polatch 2 is 
annoying as it gets swamped with global changes.


That sounds like you're talking about the "history" tab on the main site 
- it does get swamped with global changsets.


All I want to do is select an object and have the history of changes 
showing and more importantly who is doing them.  Is there a way of 
doing this?


As Leon mentioned, every object has a "browse" page.  You can get to it 
from Potlatch 2 (and JOSM), and also by clicking on a way in a changset 
(e.g. one of yours that edited it), or just by typing in the URL, e.g.:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43429311
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43429311/history


Other useful "history" functions include ITO's "OSM mapper":

http://www.itoworld.com/static/openstreetmap_tools/osm_mapper.html

That allows you to monitor an area for changes to ways (but not 
unfortunately nodes, relations or any deletions)



Also, "whodidit":

http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/

That monitors changes to nodes within an area.  It can provide an RSS 
feed too.


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[talk-au] Adding only part of a road to a route relation (was: network and route tags)

2013-02-03 Thread SomeoneElse 

On 03/02/2013 12:22, David Clark wrote:
ie I have a route (The Mawson trail) that passes along a section of a 
fire road, but it doesn't pass along the full length of the fire road. 
How do a I select only a section of the fire road (not the full length 
of it) so I can make the relationship to the route?




You'd need to cut the fire road into 2 (or perhaps 3) and then add the 
relation to only the relevant bit.  In Potlatch (the online editor on 
the OSM website) you can do this by clicking on the node that you want 
to split it at and pressing "x".


Here's an example (not in Australia, but the same principle applies):

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.13304&lon=-1.78357&zoom=16&layers=C

Here "Highfield Lane" is split into two.  The eastern part is added to 
the relation for cycle route 54; the western part isn't.


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Re: [talk-au] Suburbs in Australia

2012-12-20 Thread SomeoneElse 

Darren Burt wrote:


"See the recent discussion on this list for town vs city, in the OSM 
sense."


Can you provide a direct link or forward information on this?



The list archives are here:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/

and the city thread started here:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2012-December/009710.html

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney Circular Quay missing

2012-12-17 Thread SomeoneElse 

Ben Kelley wrote:

Most of Circular Quay, east of Pitt St seems to have disappeared.

Seems to be change 14271851. Could someone revert this?




I've reverted it.  I'll send a polite message to the mapper - it looks 
like a "I just want to create a simple map for my hotel reception"


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Re: [talk-au] Question about relations

2012-07-24 Thread SomeoneElse 

Adrian Plaskitt wrote:
My specific question is, when the route passes down only part of a 
way, say just a few blocks of a longer street, how do you assign the 
relation to just a few internodes. Is it necessary to split the ways 
at the nodes and then just assign the relation to the segments 
between, or is it necessary to create a new way over the top which is 
just the walking route, or is there some method that is simpler that I 
have failed to appreciate.


I'd split the way, like this:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/141369518

Here the end of "Mandalay Beach Road" has been split and the part of the 
road that belongs to the walking route has been added to the walking 
route relation ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/400098 in 
this case).


The result looks like this on a map designed to show long distance 
hiking routes:


http://hiking.lonvia.de/en/?zoom=17&lat=-35.00144&lon=116.53484

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Re: [talk-au] Redaction progress

2012-07-20 Thread SomeoneElse 

John Henderson wrote:


I wonder if the untagged nodes are scheduled to be cleaned up 
automatically?


Those tended to crop up even vefore the redaction process (failed 
imports etc.) and people used to tidy them evey now and again (hopefully 
after checking that they're not part of something, or going to be part 
of something).


I doubt that there's a grand plan by the people running the redaction 
bot to do this (although you could ask on the #osm-dev IRC channel - 
someone there would probably know) but I'm sure that once the 
bot-and-import ban is lifted, people will come along and tidy stuff like 
that.


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Re: [talk-au] I feel like such a newbie

2012-07-17 Thread SomeoneElse 
FWIW recent splitter and mkgmap versions should work OK with pbf files, 
I think.


(although I still convert to .osm myself, using osmconvert: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmconvert )


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Re: [talk-au] I feel like such a newbie

2012-07-17 Thread SomeoneElse 

Brett Russell wrote:


'Java' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.


That just means that Java isn't on your path.

Where Java.exe will be will depend on your version of windows, and which 
version of Java you installed.


You'll probably find it somewhere like here:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0_32\bin

or here:
C:\Windows\SysWOW64

Although (as somebody else mentioned) you can download pre-built Garmin 
maps of various types, if you want to combine various bits of data 
you'll need to roll your own at some point, and you might as well start now.


There's a bit of useful info on the OSM help site:
help.openstreetmap.org/search/?q=mkgmap&Submit=search&t=question

If you get stuck, you can also ask a new question there.

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Re: [talk-au] BP service station import

2012-01-16 Thread SomeoneElse 

Ian Sergeant wrote:

Can we do some pre-work prior to considering any new import?

Check if the dataset is really up-to-date and sufficiently accurate?
Check how many existing service stations are nearby, and consider not 
placing a new service station where there is a similar one there already?


While driving across WA last year I found quite a few BP stations that 
didn't seem to be anywhere near their OSM location.  Whether the data on 
BP's website now is better than what was imported I've no idea, of course.


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Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal

2012-01-09 Thread SomeoneElse 

Steve Bennett wrote:

Btw, how does Potlatch etc determine whether an object is "tainted"?
Does it look at all the changesets that affect the object, or is it
able to determine the source of each key?


I believe that it uses Frederik's quick history service here:
http://wtfe.gryph.de/

One other thing worth mentioning is Ian Dees' excellent "deep diff" 
utility that makes it obvious what changes were made in each version.  
For example, here's a way in Rottnest that I've removed the maxspeed 
from (which is correct, because the maxspeed in Rottnest isn't 50):


http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=24349500

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Re: [talk-au] Thoughts on co-ordinating re-mapping

2011-12-02 Thread SomeoneElse 

On 02/12/2011 04:47, El Segundo Can't win wrote:


There are two types of re-mapping - on the ground re-mapping, and 
desktop re-mapping.


There's also arguably a third - re-adding edits lost as a result of 
removal of non-CT edits using notes taken at the time of the original 
on-the-ground mapping rather than just whatever imagery may be available 
(which in parts of WA at least isn't much).  The tricky bit is knowing 
when an edit that you've made (which may not be the latest edit on an 
object) has been deleted.


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Re: [talk-au] Vandalism by "99scilla111"

2011-08-30 Thread SomeoneElse 

On 31/08/2011 01:08, Pete Ramjet wrote:
Noticed this morning that user "99scilla111 
" has vandalised a 
large number of roads/buildings/etc since 12 August. It really annoys 
me when somebody goes out of their way to detroy the good work of 
other people.

I've tried contacting them to no avail.
Is it possible to remove their changesets? I only use Potlatch through 
my web browser.




I can just see the one changeset for 99scilla111 - 8994191.  Looking at 
the area in ITO's OSM mapper, there's only one more recent changeset in 
that area and it doesn't seem to overlap it, so a clean revert should be 
possible.


If you ask on the #OSM IRC channel you might get an instantaneous 
response; if not I might be able to have a go in an hour or so.


Cheers,
Andy

PS - and in case anyone is wondering whether this really is vandalism it 
certainly looks like it - changing "Old Northern Road" to "Young 
Southern Road", and a "landuse = retail" with a Coles in it to "tourism 
= theme_park".


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Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-26 Thread SomeoneElse 

On 26/01/2011 16:12, David Murn wrote:
The only issue I would have, is with the spelling of licence. Steve 
suggested licensed but as OSM is traditionally British English, 
shouldnt licenced=yes/no be used?

taginfo shows licenced=yes has 2 usages where licensed=yes has 9, so its
early enough to still rectify the discrepencies.




In British English licence = noun; license=verb, I believe:

http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/grammartips/grammar-tip-license-licence.asp

so "licensed=yes" is correct I think?  In American English it's 
"license" for both I believe.


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Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-24 Thread SomeoneElse 

On 24/01/2011 23:08, John Smith wrote:


Not all restaurants are licensed...

amenity=restaurant
licensed=yes/no/byo

Sounds good to me - thanks.

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[talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-23 Thread SomeoneElse 
Hi - quick question - what's the normal way to indicate BYO vs licenced 
restaurants?


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