Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
Dialable, darn spell check. And, in the US, the 1-800 or 1 (800) has become 800 or (800), though not +1-800 because these are "inward" only, without the preceding 1, though some places might still need to dial this, our 11-digit / preceding 1 or 10-digit thing (not terribly hard to figure out if you flub it). Cell phones / mobiles "automatically add the preceding 1" if you store / dial 10-digits here (representing a US-domestic 10-digit number, a three-digit area/city code and a seven-digit "local" number). Some places require 11-digit dialing with the preceding 1. It's still kind of all over the place whether 10-digit dialing is required (it is in many urban areas with multiple area codes) but many (especially rural) places allow "local" (omitting the prefixing / area code three digits) seven-digit dialing. That's our "little nightmare," in the USA, every country has one or two or three or more of these, it seems. Especially as technologies continue to clash and carriers merge. Funnily enough, +1-710 was an old "Telex" exchange for the NE USA back in the day (1940s-1970s/80s, I think). A long, long time ago I used to send Telex messages for a downtown insurance company. Old school! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
Thanks! Both wikis & the Oz guidelines updated appropriately: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Australian_features#Phonewords Thanks Graeme On Sun, 25 Sept 2022 at 11:48, stevea wrote: > Solutions abound! > > There is a pesky "only in this country toll-free dialing" sort of thing > that is a number domestically (AU only) and then what appears to be its > international number, something in NANPA's 710, or what is a moldy-oldy US > federal government "thing" with exactly one working number (as of 2006). > So, there is some sort of "error" somewhere. Some places that allow these > do not allow any non-domestic / international way of accessing this > telephonic address, there isn't any bridging. We have this in the states, > you have this in AU, it is different all over the place. > > I think phone:AU:mnemonic might be a good start of something. > > If you put a plus sign in front of it in your country to say > "international number" it begins +61. That's simply "Australia." It goes > up and down from there! > > I wrinkle my brow at that +1-710-55 number, that's bogosity. Maybe that > works in another country or somewhere, but then you wouldn't put a + in > front of it; that's an "international" phone # notation. +1-710 (I live in > NANPA-land, which is that first "1" and know it exists) is a dead-end. > Maybe somebody encoded their domestic (to Oz) dialing pattern, I don't > know. But something is misunderstood here. > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
Yeah, so this can be confusing. The 1300 prefix appears to be an Australia-only way of dialing what is followed by a six digit number (and as there are eight in the mnemonic, the last two are ignored, we get this in the states with our 1800 and flavors, like 1888 and 1877 and 1866... "toll-free" numbers, which are only "dile-able" from the states). I think I confused the 710-55... number as real, which it is only a wiki example, which I now smack my forehead about. Really, I'd delete the last two (go with six, not eight, after the 1300) and not put any letters in, use the numbers. Done. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
Solutions abound! There is a pesky "only in this country toll-free dialing" sort of thing that is a number domestically (AU only) and then what appears to be its international number, something in NANPA's 710, or what is a moldy-oldy US federal government "thing" with exactly one working number (as of 2006). So, there is some sort of "error" somewhere. Some places that allow these do not allow any non-domestic / international way of accessing this telephonic address, there isn't any bridging. We have this in the states, you have this in AU, it is different all over the place. I think phone:AU:mnemonic might be a good start of something. If you put a plus sign in front of it in your country to say "international number" it begins +61. That's simply "Australia." It goes up and down from there! I wrinkle my brow at that +1-710-55 number, that's bogosity. Maybe that works in another country or somewhere, but then you wouldn't put a + in front of it; that's an "international" phone # notation. +1-710 (I live in NANPA-land, which is that first "1" and know it exists) is a dead-end. Maybe somebody encoded their domestic (to Oz) dialing pattern, I don't know. But something is misunderstood here. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
Hey Graeme. I would go with phone:AU:mnemonic with capitals. :) Dian On 2022-09-25 00:30, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Thanks! It turns out that we actually have provision for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone:mnemonic, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone#Phonewords! That then raises another question. The wiki says to use it as phone:mnemonic [1]=+1-710-55-KLICK. Because the number I asked about is an Oz only 1300, should it then be ? & full capitals? Thanks Graeme On Thu, 22 Sept 2022 at 18:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: I too would ignore the marketing. On 22/9/22 17:44, Phil Wyatt wrote: Personally, I would just do the 6 as the others are redundant From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2022 3:47 PM To: OSM-Au Subject: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers Just fixing a Note, & the company's phone number is listed on their website as 1300 xx xx, as they have their name in it. If you dial it though, the system will ignore the last two digits, as the first 10 make a valid number So how do we map it? Phone numbers are supposed to be formatted as 1300 xxx xxx, so will including the last two digits cause an error? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au Links: -- [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone:mnemonic___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
Thanks! It turns out that we actually have provision for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone:mnemonic, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone#Phonewords! That then raises another question. The wiki says to use it as phone:mnemonic <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone:mnemonic>=+1-710-55-KLICK. Because the number I asked about is an Oz only 1300, should it then be ? & full capitals? Thanks Graeme On Thu, 22 Sept 2022 at 18:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I too would ignore the marketing. > > On 22/9/22 17:44, Phil Wyatt wrote: > > Personally, I would just do the 6 as the others are redundant > > > > *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick > *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2022 3:47 PM > *To:* OSM-Au > *Subject:* [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers > > > > Just fixing a Note, & the company's phone number is listed on their > website as 1300 xx xx, as they have their name in it. If you dial it > though, the system will ignore the last two digits, as the first 10 make a > valid number > > > > So how do we map it? > > > > Phone numbers are supposed to be formatted as 1300 xxx xxx, so will > including the last two digits cause an error? > > > > Thanks > > > > Graeme > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
I too would ignore the marketing. On 22/9/22 17:44, Phil Wyatt wrote: Personally, I would just do the 6 as the others are redundant *From:*Graeme Fitzpatrick *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2022 3:47 PM *To:* OSM-Au *Subject:* [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers Just fixing a Note, & the company's phone number is listed on their website as 1300 xx xx, as they have their name in it. If you dial it though, the system will ignore the last two digits, as the first 10 make a valid number So how do we map it? Phone numbers are supposed to be formatted as 1300 xxx xxx, so will including the last two digits cause an error? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
Personally, I would just do the 6 as the others are redundant From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2022 3:47 PM To: OSM-Au Subject: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers Just fixing a Note, & the company's phone number is listed on their website as 1300 xx xx, as they have their name in it. If you dial it though, the system will ignore the last two digits, as the first 10 make a valid number So how do we map it? Phone numbers are supposed to be formatted as 1300 xxx xxx, so will including the last two digits cause an error? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers
Just fixing a Note, & the company's phone number is listed on their website as 1300 xx xx, as they have their name in it. If you dial it though, the system will ignore the last two digits, as the first 10 make a valid number So how do we map it? Phone numbers are supposed to be formatted as 1300 xxx xxx, so will including the last two digits cause an error? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
