Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program
Liz wrote: > does anyone know if gosmore or navit or other program can be persuaded to > work > on one of these machines? I don't know that much about WinCE, but I think software isn't portable between platforms even on the same chip architecture (eg, ARM). You'd need an SDK or appropriately configured cross-compiler, and those can probably only be (easily) supplied by the device manufacturer. You could just try this: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Compiling_Navit_for_WinCE/WinMobile I don't know how you'd execute the program once you had it compiled. If you can identify the hardware well enough you may be able to run Linux on it, and after that you can compile anything that runs on Linux. Pull the cover off and look for some markings on the main board and plug them in to Google. Next, try the markings on the biggest chips on the board. If you're lucky someone will have already done it and there will be instructions. You're probably not going to be able to get any of these things working though. Most of the time messing with these dinky embedded systems takes a good deal of knowledge and often an oscilliscope and/or soldering iron. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program
(just to further derail :-) When people talk about ARM, they are generally talking about the ARM instruction set. armel is an ABI, that is, a specification for how applications are actually written (e.g. it specifies how arguments are passed between binaries, how numbers are represented (like big/little endian) and other stuff like that - I believe the "el" means "embedded little endian", there is also a "mipsel" ABI). Most mobile devices beyond a certain complexity threshold use ARM. I think the closest competitor in the space would be MIPS. If you want to get specific about it, there are lots of variations of ARM, for example some will have extra instructions for doing things like "add two numbers, and if the answer overflows, then don't wrap around". But the core instructions stay the same. The ARM company doesn't actually make chips, they just license their designs, so you can get ARM chips through lots of vendors, often packaged with other bits too to form one big system on a chip (e.g. the OMAP stuff). Atmel are more known for their microcontrollers, which are much cheaper, less complicated, lower power draw and good for doing things like controlling toasters. Andy On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 20:44 +1000, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/19 Elizabeth Dodd : > > armel is the sort in the freerunner > > similar? different? > > I think you are confusing atmel and arm > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmel > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture > > Although a quick google says the atmel chips in freerunner uses an ARM > instruction set. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program
2009/10/19 Elizabeth Dodd : > armel is the sort in the freerunner > similar? different? I think you are confusing atmel and arm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture Although a quick google says the atmel chips in freerunner uses an ARM instruction set. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > No, ARM is a CPU architecture, ARM is used in a lot of embedded > devices like mobile phones and routers etc where intel chips are just > too power hungry. armel is the sort in the freerunner similar? different? -- Your manuscript is both good and original, but the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good. -- Samuel Johnson ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program
2009/10/19 Elizabeth Dodd : > architecture ARM suggests WinCE?? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routing/OfflineRouters > suggests that gosmore, navit, traveling salesman, roadmap, gpsmid > may work > as the exe file is on the sd card it seems to me that i can try quite a few No, ARM is a CPU architecture, ARM is used in a lot of embedded devices like mobile phones and routers etc where intel chips are just too power hungry. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/19 Liz : > > does anyone recognise the directory structure? > > Looks similar to a uniden one I've played with. > > > does anyone know if gosmore or navit or other program can be persuaded to > > work on one of these machines? > > It's windows, you'd be better off looking at something like traveling > salesman or whatever the win app is, no idea if they put out a port > for wince. $ wine ~/mapping/Route66/Navigate7.exe Trying to load PE image for unsupported architecture (ARM) Trying to load PE image for unsupported architecture (ARM) wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\Liz\\mapping\\Route66\\Navigate7.exe": Bad EXE format for l...@mum-quad:~$ err:menubuilder:init_xdg error looking up the desktop directory architecture ARM suggests WinCE?? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routing/OfflineRouters suggests that gosmore, navit, traveling salesman, roadmap, gpsmid may work as the exe file is on the sd card it seems to me that i can try quite a few ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program
2009/10/19 Liz : > does anyone recognise the directory structure? Looks similar to a uniden one I've played with. > does anyone know if gosmore or navit or other program can be persuaded to work > on one of these machines? It's windows, you'd be better off looking at something like traveling salesman or whatever the win app is, no idea if they put out a port for wince. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] ?WinCE program
I've just bought from eBay a 1DIN size indash motor vehicle tv / dvd/ gps/ cd goodnessknows what else gadget it has no brand identifiers. (i know this is a risk getting gps to work, but this is my risk) GPS operation instruction 1. insert the navigation card this card is an SD card with a label Route 66 $ ls /media/disk/Route66/ ActivationKey.dat Config.ini help maps pois res colors.ini Favorites.ini lang Navigate7.exe prefs.ini speech $ ls /media/disk/Route66/maps/ Europe.prm ls /media/disk/Route66/res/ Bitmaps.db ls /media/disk/Route66/speech/poi/ camera.ogg carbrake.ogg exclam.ogg laser.ogg startup.ogg Questions has anyone else got one? does anyone recognise the directory structure? does anyone know how to make OSM into the correct format? does anyone know if gosmore or navit or other program can be persuaded to work on one of these machines? Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
