Re: [talk-au] [Imports] Importing locality names from GeoScience Australia dataset.

[Ross Scanlon]

On 27/10/12 18:52, Chris Barham wrote:

Hi,

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Li Xia mailto:lisxia1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


1. Can anyone suggest tags other than the following?
name:
place:locality
source: © Commonwealth of Australia (GeoScience Australia) 2006.

2. Using JOSM at the moment and uploads take a while, is there a
better way of bulk uploading data?




Some questions for you:
1) Can you post a link to the source data and licence?
2) that copyright tag looks ominous, are you sure it's licenced
appropriately for import to OSM?
a) The site http://ga.gov.au has a footer that says:
"Unless otherwise noted, all Geoscience Australia material on this
website is licensed
under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia Licence."
I believe this may not compatible with OSM...



CC-By-SA 3.0 Australia Licence is not automatic permission to use it in 
an ODBL database.


Cheers
Ross



b) ...Unless you got the data from http://data.gov.au/ for which
OSM has obtained rights to import


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Re: [talk-au] [Imports] Importing locality names from GeoScience Australia dataset.

[Chris Barham]

Hi,

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Li Xia  wrote:


> 1. Can anyone suggest tags other than the following?
> name:
> place:locality
> source: © Commonwealth of Australia (GeoScience Australia) 2006.
>
> 2. Using JOSM at the moment and uploads take a while, is there a better
> way of bulk uploading data?
>


> 
>

Some questions for you:
1) Can you post a link to the source data and licence?
2) that copyright tag looks ominous, are you sure it's licenced
appropriately for import to OSM?
a) The site http://ga.gov.au has a footer that says:
"Unless otherwise noted, all Geoscience Australia material on this website
is licensed
under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia Licence."
I believe this may not compatible with OSM...
b) ...Unless you got the data from http://data.gov.au/ for which
OSM has obtained rights to import
3) Tagging - why only place: locality, and not place:city/hamlet/town
mappings?
a) GA name data appears to also other place types such as Mountains/hills
that could
be useful see http://www.ga.gov.au/place-name/
4) Using String compare to deduplicate names is probably insufficient -
there should be
a manual check as well due to potential local-use/mis-spellings in OSM data
vs approved
names - can you share your de-duplication code?
5) Have you read http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines ?

Chris
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Re: [talk-au] [Imports] Importing locality names from GeoScience Australia dataset.

[Paul Norman]

Hello,

 

If you're considering importing you need to read
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines and make sure that
you've followed all of the steps before uploading anything else.

 

One of these is talking with the local community, which is why I've cc'ed
talk-au@ on this message.

 

I would suggest a different source tag. The source tag is for mappers, not
for attribution (which is done at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors). There is some debate as to
if you should have source on both the changeset and the objects or just the
changeset. If you do decide to have source on the objects, I'd suggest just
source=GeoScience Australia DATASET_NAME, with an appropriate value of
DATASET_NAME.

 

It's worth documenting the data source and licensing. I think it's CC BY
which is okay, but it'd be good to have this documented on the wiki.

 

Are all of them place=locality or is it possible to get more detailed
tagging?

 

When it's time to upload JOSM can work if you split the uploads into smaller
regions, which is a good idea anyways.

 

From: Li Xia [mailto:lisxia1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:49 PM
To: impo...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Imports] Importing locality names from GeoScience Australia
dataset.

 

Hey everyone, 

 

A quick intro, I'm Li, founder of   mud-maps.com 

 

We are currently working on a rendering engine that supports OSM for iOS and
after running some number os the Australian OSM data, i've noticed that it's
lacking a lot of place names. Comparing OSM data to GeoScience (GA) data,
here are some numbers.

 

. place:locality = around 1000 as of 23 Oct 2012.

. GeoScience locality = around 20,000.

 

I've extracted the place:locality, hamlet, suburb, violate, town, city data
nodes from OSM australia and GA data and ran a name string comparison to
eliminate duplicates and would like to upload the difference to OSM.

 

I have 2 questions:

 

1. Can anyone suggest tags other than the following?

name:

place:locality

source: C Commonwealth of Australia (GeoScience Australia) 2006. 

 

2. Using JOSM at the moment and uploads take a while, is there a better way
of bulk uploading data? 

 

Look forward to your suggestions.

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