[talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not in
value.

For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
"wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.

Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.

Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
consumers.

Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
less experienced.

Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.

Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.

Number of affected objects should be relatively small - 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x  reports just 
200 elements.

Plan is as follows:

I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
wrong I will fix it.

Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
old-style wikipedia tags.

Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans,
animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.

Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
where edited object itself spans very large area).

After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.

This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
old-style wikipedia links appear.

documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia
 


I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
completed without any issues.

I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA. 

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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[cleary]

Appears to be good process. I support it.


On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, at 6:54 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not in
> value.
> 
> For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
> "wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.
> 
> Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
> manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.
> 
> Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
> means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
> consumers.
> 
> Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
> less experienced.
> 
> Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
> old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.
> 
> Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
> make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
> that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.
> 
> Number of affected objects should be relatively small - 
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x reports just 200 elements.
> 
> Plan is as follows:
> 
> I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
> wrong I will fix it.
> 
> Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
> conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
> old-style wikipedia tags.
> 
> Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans,
> animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.
> 
> Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
> avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
> where edited object itself spans very large area).
> 
> After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.
> 
> This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
> old-style wikipedia links appear.
> 
> documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia
> 
> I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
> in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
> completed without any issues.
> 
> I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA. 
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Andrew Harvey]

Seems fine to me.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 06:54, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

> Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not in
> value.
>
> For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
> "wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.
>
> Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
> manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.
>
> Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
> means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
> consumers.
>
> Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
> less experienced.
>
> Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
> old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.
>
> Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
> make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
> that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.
>
> Number of affected objects should be relatively small -
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x reports just 200 elements.
>
> Plan is as follows:
>
> I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
> wrong I will fix it.
>
> Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
> conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
> old-style wikipedia tags.
>
> Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans,
> animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.
>
> Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
> avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
> where edited object itself spans very large area).
>
> After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.
>
> This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
> old-style wikipedia links appear.
>
> documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia
>
> I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
> in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
> completed without any issues.
>
> I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Sebastian Spiess]

Given this was done in other areas successfully I see no issues and 
support it.


Am 2019-03-18 06:52, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny:

Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not
in
value.

For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
"wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.

Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.

Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
consumers.

Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
less experienced.

Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.

Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.

Number of affected objects should be relatively small -
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x reports just 200 elements.

Plan is as follows:

I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
wrong I will fix it.

Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
old-style wikipedia tags.

Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about
humans,
animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.

Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
where edited object itself spans very large area).

After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.

This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
old-style wikipedia links appear.

documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia

I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
completed without any issues.

I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA.
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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Sam Wilson]

Sounds good, especially as we're not the guineapig location. :)

I've given up adding wikipedia tags of any style, and now just add wikidata.

On 3/18/19 3:52 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not in
value.

For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
"wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.

Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.

Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
consumers.

Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
less experienced.

Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.

Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.

Number of affected objects should be relatively small -
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x reports just 200 elements.

Plan is as follows:

I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
wrong I will fix it.

Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
old-style wikipedia tags.

Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans,
animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.

Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
where edited object itself spans very large area).

After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.

This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
old-style wikipedia links appear.

documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia

I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
completed without any issues.

I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA.


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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Sebastian Spiess]

I'd like to hear more about wikidata and how it is used. Maybe during a 
meet up...


Am 2019-03-18 12:40, schrieb Sam Wilson:

Sounds good, especially as we're not the guineapig location. :)

I've given up adding wikipedia tags of any style, and now just add 
wikidata.


On 3/18/19 3:52 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not 
in

value.

For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
"wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.

Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.

Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
consumers.

Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
less experienced.

Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.

Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.

Number of affected objects should be relatively small -
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x reports just 200 elements.

Plan is as follows:

I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
wrong I will fix it.

Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
old-style wikipedia tags.

Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about 
humans,

animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.

Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
where edited object itself spans very large area).

After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.

This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
old-style wikipedia links appear.

documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia

I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
completed without any issues.

I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA.


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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Sam Wilson]

If you're ever in Perth I'm keen for a meetup! We have a fortnightly 
Geogeeks evening in the city, which isn't only OSM but covers similar 
ground.


The main current reason I'm adding Wikidata IDs is that they're what the 
Wikimedia map tools use to show geometry on Wikipedia articles. For example:


https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4850399
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_Park,_Western_Australia

On 3/18/19 9:45 AM, Sebastian Spiess wrote:
I'd like to hear more about wikidata and how it is used. Maybe during a 
meet up...


Am 2019-03-18 12:40, schrieb Sam Wilson:

Sounds good, especially as we're not the guineapig location. :)

I've given up adding wikipedia tags of any style, and now just add 
wikidata.


On 3/18/19 3:52 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not in
value.

For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
"wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.

Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.

Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
consumers.

Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
less experienced.

Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.

Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.

Number of affected objects should be relatively small -
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x reports just 200 elements.

Plan is as follows:

I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
wrong I will fix it.

Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
old-style wikipedia tags.

Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans,
animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.

Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
where edited object itself spans very large area).

After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.

This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
old-style wikipedia links appear.

documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia 



I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
completed without any issues.

I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA.


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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 08:30, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

>
> It is supported.
>
> For example my code with multiple old style links
>
> - does not make edit if there is no wikipedia tag (to avoid using wrong
> language)
> - does not make edit if various links are not linking to the equivalent
> article
> - removes all if there is a wikipedia tag that targets equivalent article
>
> See for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/206172561/history
> where bot removed 7 old style links duplicating wikipedia tag.
>

No, that's fine then Mateusz - -didn't want you doing it & things not
working properly!


> PS I am not sure what happened, but it seems that your reply went just to
> me and not to
> mailing list.
>
> If it is unintentional - feel free to try (maybe with "reply to all") and
> I will repost reply in the public.
>

Catches me out every know & again - reply on the Tagging list goes to both
the sender & the list, but Reply on the AU list only goes to teh sender,
not the list, so have to remember to Reply All, & occasionally forget :-(

Thanks

Graeme

My original message fyi everybody else:


> Mar 17, 2019, 10:45 PM by graemefi...@gmail.com:
>
> Can't see any real issues so I reckon go ahead.
>
> I glanced at the examples you gave & noticed a couple that were both :en=
> & also =en:, & another one that is :de=
>
> Does that throw any spanners into the works?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
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