Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
Okay, I've updated the part of the wiki that says we shouldn't do it. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#NSW_Alphanumeric_references Ian. On 10 May 2013 09:45, Ben Kelley wrote: > Hi. > > The new routes are supposed to be complete by the end of this year. > > I know it takes me a while to get around to fixing something on OSM. > > Perhaps if you are keen then approach 2 is OK (and signage will catch up > eventually). If you are lazy then 1 is the default. :) > > - Ben Kelley. > On 10 May 2013 07:06, "Ian Sergeant" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm surprised you couldn't find some F3 signs there as well! >> >> In any event, we can.. >> >> 1. Ignore the new routes until they are completed. Then re-reference the >> road. >> 2. As soon as the route is confirmed and there are some signs, >> re-reference the road >> 3. Adopt some new schema that allows us to have both route references at >> once. >> 4. Adopt of hodge-podge approach, and reference partial roads, based on >> the assessment/whim of the mapper concerned. >> >> I originally proposed 1, but now I'm leaning towards 2, because I feel >> I'm swimming against the tide. >> >> I don't think we're capable of doing 3. And I'd hate to end up with 4. >> >> Ian. >> >> >> On 10 May 2013 05:29, Ben Johnson wrote: >> >>> I took a look there last weekend. As you say... inconsistencies >>> everywhere. >>> >>> Northbound all are M1 with B74, and there's even a distance reassurance >>> sign (not interchange-related) showing distances to Brisbane, titled "M1 >>> Pacific Mwy" which I was surprised to see. >>> >>> Southbound all are NR1 with B74. >>> >>> The signs at the top of the ramps are in odd combinations like NR1 >>> "Pacific Mwy" on one sign, and M1 "Freeway" on another... >>> >>> It's a real tourist attraction for sign geeks! >>> >>> BJ >>> >>> On 09/05/2013, at 22:11, Nathan Van Der Meulen >>> wrote: >>> >>> > You're not going to win any way you change the route references. On >>> the ground, around the Tuggerah Interchange alone are references to Nat >>> Route 1, M1, Pacific Motorway etc. Note that the freeway is referenced as >>> M1 from Wyong Rd (B74) but on the freeway it's still NR1. B74 only seems >>> to be referenced at the interchange. If you only edit as per what's on the >>> ground, how do you edit that? >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPad >>> > >>> > On 03/05/2013, at 21:00, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: >>> > >>> >> Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to >>> >> talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> >> >>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> >> talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org >>> >> >>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> >> talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org >>> >> >>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> >> than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Today's Topics: >>> >> >>> >> 1. Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >>> >> 2. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Kelley) >>> >> 3. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >>> >> 4. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Johnson) >>> >> 5. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> Message: 1 >>> >> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:07:02 +1000 >>> >> From: Ian Sergeant >>> >> To: OSM - Talk-au >>> >> Subject: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW >>> >> Message-ID: >>> >> >> > >>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >> >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> I've noticed a few people are changing the refer
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
Hi. The new routes are supposed to be complete by the end of this year. I know it takes me a while to get around to fixing something on OSM. Perhaps if you are keen then approach 2 is OK (and signage will catch up eventually). If you are lazy then 1 is the default. :) - Ben Kelley. On 10 May 2013 07:06, "Ian Sergeant" wrote: > Hi, > > I'm surprised you couldn't find some F3 signs there as well! > > In any event, we can.. > > 1. Ignore the new routes until they are completed. Then re-reference the > road. > 2. As soon as the route is confirmed and there are some signs, > re-reference the road > 3. Adopt some new schema that allows us to have both route references at > once. > 4. Adopt of hodge-podge approach, and reference partial roads, based on > the assessment/whim of the mapper concerned. > > I originally proposed 1, but now I'm leaning towards 2, because I feel I'm > swimming against the tide. > > I don't think we're capable of doing 3. And I'd hate to end up with 4. > > Ian. > > > On 10 May 2013 05:29, Ben Johnson wrote: > >> I took a look there last weekend. As you say... inconsistencies >> everywhere. >> >> Northbound all are M1 with B74, and there's even a distance reassurance >> sign (not interchange-related) showing distances to Brisbane, titled "M1 >> Pacific Mwy" which I was surprised to see. >> >> Southbound all are NR1 with B74. >> >> The signs at the top of the ramps are in odd combinations like NR1 >> "Pacific Mwy" on one sign, and M1 "Freeway" on another... >> >> It's a real tourist attraction for sign geeks! >> >> BJ >> >> On 09/05/2013, at 22:11, Nathan Van Der Meulen >> wrote: >> >> > You're not going to win any way you change the route references. On >> the ground, around the Tuggerah Interchange alone are references to Nat >> Route 1, M1, Pacific Motorway etc. Note that the freeway is referenced as >> M1 from Wyong Rd (B74) but on the freeway it's still NR1. B74 only seems >> to be referenced at the interchange. If you only edit as per what's on the >> ground, how do you edit that? >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On 03/05/2013, at 21:00, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: >> > >> >> Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to >> >> talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >> >> 2. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Kelley) >> >> 3. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >> >> 4. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Johnson) >> >> 5. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:07:02 +1000 >> >> From: Ian Sergeant >> >> To: OSM - Talk-au >> >> Subject: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW >> >> Message-ID: >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the >> >> alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. >> >> >> >> I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on >> the >> >> ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for >> >> navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be >> >> surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed >> routes >> >> on the webpage. >> >> >> >> To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced >> is >> &
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
Hi, I'm surprised you couldn't find some F3 signs there as well! In any event, we can.. 1. Ignore the new routes until they are completed. Then re-reference the road. 2. As soon as the route is confirmed and there are some signs, re-reference the road 3. Adopt some new schema that allows us to have both route references at once. 4. Adopt of hodge-podge approach, and reference partial roads, based on the assessment/whim of the mapper concerned. I originally proposed 1, but now I'm leaning towards 2, because I feel I'm swimming against the tide. I don't think we're capable of doing 3. And I'd hate to end up with 4. Ian. On 10 May 2013 05:29, Ben Johnson wrote: > I took a look there last weekend. As you say... inconsistencies everywhere. > > Northbound all are M1 with B74, and there's even a distance reassurance > sign (not interchange-related) showing distances to Brisbane, titled "M1 > Pacific Mwy" which I was surprised to see. > > Southbound all are NR1 with B74. > > The signs at the top of the ramps are in odd combinations like NR1 > "Pacific Mwy" on one sign, and M1 "Freeway" on another... > > It's a real tourist attraction for sign geeks! > > BJ > > On 09/05/2013, at 22:11, Nathan Van Der Meulen > wrote: > > > You're not going to win any way you change the route references. On the > ground, around the Tuggerah Interchange alone are references to Nat Route > 1, M1, Pacific Motorway etc. Note that the freeway is referenced as M1 > from Wyong Rd (B74) but on the freeway it's still NR1. B74 only seems to > be referenced at the interchange. If you only edit as per what's on the > ground, how do you edit that? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 03/05/2013, at 21:00, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > > >> Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to > >> talk-au@openstreetmap.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) > >> 2. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Kelley) > >> 3. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) > >> 4. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Johnson) > >> 5. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:07:02 +1000 > >> From: Ian Sergeant > >> To: OSM - Talk-au > >> Subject: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the > >> alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. > >> > >> I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the > >> ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for > >> navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be > >> surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed > routes > >> on the webpage. > >> > >> To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced > is > >> the B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps > an > >> uncovered sign here and there. I traced the > >> > >> I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references > change? > >> That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, rather than > a > >> patchwork? > >> > >> Ian. > >> P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching > >> Albury) that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. > >> -- next part -- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20130503/f593d5da
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
I took a look there last weekend. As you say... inconsistencies everywhere. Northbound all are M1 with B74, and there's even a distance reassurance sign (not interchange-related) showing distances to Brisbane, titled "M1 Pacific Mwy" which I was surprised to see. Southbound all are NR1 with B74. The signs at the top of the ramps are in odd combinations like NR1 "Pacific Mwy" on one sign, and M1 "Freeway" on another... It's a real tourist attraction for sign geeks! BJ On 09/05/2013, at 22:11, Nathan Van Der Meulen wrote: > You're not going to win any way you change the route references. On the > ground, around the Tuggerah Interchange alone are references to Nat Route 1, > M1, Pacific Motorway etc. Note that the freeway is referenced as M1 from > Wyong Rd (B74) but on the freeway it's still NR1. B74 only seems to be > referenced at the interchange. If you only edit as per what's on the ground, > how do you edit that? > > Sent from my iPad > > On 03/05/2013, at 21:00, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > >> Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to >> talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >> 2. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Kelley) >> 3. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >> 4. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Johnson) >> 5. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:07:02 +1000 >> From: Ian Sergeant >> To: OSM - Talk-au >> Subject: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi, >> >> I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the >> alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. >> >> I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the >> ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for >> navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be >> surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed routes >> on the webpage. >> >> To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced is >> the B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps an >> uncovered sign here and there. I traced the >> >> I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references change? >> That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, rather than a >> patchwork? >> >> Ian. >> P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching >> Albury) that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20130503/f593d5da/attachment-0001.html> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:33:45 +1000 >> From: Ben Kelley >> To: Ian Sergeant >> Cc: OSM - Talk-au >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi. >> >> I have seen a few A15 signs on the New England Highway, but there are still >> quite a few 43 and 15 signs along the route. The ground can still be a bit >> confusing. >> >> - Ben Kelley. >> On 3 May 2013 15:08, "Ian Sergeant" wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the >>> alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. >>> >>> I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the >>> ground, it must be confusing to people
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
You're not going to win any way you change the route references. On the ground, around the Tuggerah Interchange alone are references to Nat Route 1, M1, Pacific Motorway etc. Note that the freeway is referenced as M1 from Wyong Rd (B74) but on the freeway it's still NR1. B74 only seems to be referenced at the interchange. If you only edit as per what's on the ground, how do you edit that? Sent from my iPad On 03/05/2013, at 21:00, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to >talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) > 2. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Kelley) > 3. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) > 4. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Johnson) > 5. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:07:02 +1000 > From: Ian Sergeant > To: OSM - Talk-au > Subject: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the > alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. > > I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the > ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for > navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be > surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed routes > on the webpage. > > To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced is > the B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps an > uncovered sign here and there. I traced the > > I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references change? > That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, rather than a > patchwork? > > Ian. > P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching > Albury) that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20130503/f593d5da/attachment-0001.html> > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:33:45 +1000 > From: Ben Kelley > To: Ian Sergeant > Cc: OSM - Talk-au > Subject: Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi. > > I have seen a few A15 signs on the New England Highway, but there are still > quite a few 43 and 15 signs along the route. The ground can still be a bit > confusing. > > - Ben Kelley. > On 3 May 2013 15:08, "Ian Sergeant" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the >> alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. >> >> I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the >> ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for >> navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be >> surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed routes >> on the webpage. >> >> To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced is >> the B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps an >> uncovered sign here and there. I traced the >> >> I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references >> change? That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, >> rather than a patchwork? >> >> Ian. >> P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching >> Albury) that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. >> ___________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
On 03/05/2013, at 9:00 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: > I imagine the RMS in their wisdom are going to call the Hume south of Berrima > the A31, rather than M31, so we'll have to make a call on whether we keep > that as motorway. I'd personally be in favour of doing so. > > Ian. Same also with A1 heading up the coast that are definitely motorway standard. The RMS has stated that these motorway sections won't take on an M designation until they are continuous between major population centres in order to avoid too much switching between A and M, so I think we are right to map these as "Motorway" in OSM - being a high standard (mostly) grade-separated road - because "on the ground" that's exactly what it is… but we have to live with their temporary "A" route designations. With respect to route relations for the M31/A31 and M1/A1, I am guessing we will need to create a relation for the "A" section, and a separate relation for the "M" section… and then perhaps a parent to encompass the entire route. Some aspects of how we treat this confuse me …. For example - name = Pacific Motorway network = M ref = M1 -- should this relationship include Harbour Tunnel to Gore Hill AND Wahroonga to Beresfield AND Brunswick Heads to Brisbane… but then what about south of the Harbour? Then make another M1 relation called Princes Motorway - adding to it the ED, Southern Cross Drv, Southern Freeway? Same confusion applies with these A sections... Or do we create a relation for each discrete "section" (being a contiguous A or M section)… which I personally think is the most manageable, but it leads to a patchwork of many A1 and M1 relations. And either way, then we'll need a parent relation to group them all into something perhaps name = "National Highway 1" ?? network = NH ? ref = 1 ? BJ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
On 3 May 2013 17:13, Ben Johnson wrote: > We should expect large-scale coverplate removal any day now. RMS has been > waiting until end of school holidays, and also I believe for the release of > Sydway and UBD 2014 editions which apparently are now available with new > route numbers… so I think we're about to see big changes fast. So brace > yourselves. > > If you're fairly confident, I would be happy to live with the new references a few weeks in advance, if that's what we decide. It is primarily just the hotch-potch I'd like to avoid. What should become of the old routes? Should old_ref be retained, should > old route relations remain? > I think where it is easy to retain the old_ref during the transition we should. However, these routes have changed so many times, and we don't currently have the schema to retain every variation old route, so I see it just as a transitional thing. > Regard hierachies - have we agreed that all A routes are Trunk, and all B > routes are Primary? Should former the "State" routes (e.g. SR83 Old > Pacific Hwy from Gosford to Doyalson) currently assigned as a Primary road > now be lowered to Secondary as it loses its route number. > I think reflects our current agreement. And finally we'll be able to have a deterministic algorithm at least for trunk and primary. I imagine the RMS in their wisdom are going to call the Hume south of Berrima the A31, rather than M31, so we'll have to make a call on whether we keep that as motorway. I'd personally be in favour of doing so. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
I agree this can be better coordinated, but not everyone uses or reads this list. I have a particular interest in these new routes… (don't ask). B74 is already majorly unveiled at the Tuggerah junction with M1 - so I turned B74 on in OSM. http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/563.jpg http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/558.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vEehFafhUeo/UWnpzpBCuNI/ALg/rKvL4389seo/s1600/IMG_3205.JPG We should expect large-scale coverplate removal any day now. RMS has been waiting until end of school holidays, and also I believe for the release of Sydway and UBD 2014 editions which apparently are now available with new route numbers… so I think we're about to see big changes fast. So brace yourselves. I'm going that way again tomorrow and will investigate B70 to see if there's any action there yet. I've created a few route relations for alphas in Central Coast and Newcastle region, but haven't set the ref tags yet until there is on-ground signage in place. This will make it easier (when the signs are unveiled) to select an entire route in JOSM and add the ref tag. If you agree with this method then I'm happy to volunteer to continue creating relations for the new routes. I have 5 weeks holidays starting soon with plenty of spare time and I want to get back into contributing to the project. What should become of the old routes? Should old_ref be retained, should old route relations remain? Regard hierachies - have we agreed that all A routes are Trunk, and all B routes are Primary? Should former the "State" routes (e.g. SR83 Old Pacific Hwy from Gosford to Doyalson) currently assigned as a Primary road now be lowered to Secondary as it loses its route number. Happy to help out - but I don't want to step on toes. BJ On 03/05/2013, at 3:07 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: > Hi, > > I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the > alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. > > I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the > ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for > navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be > surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed routes > on the webpage. > > To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced is the > B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps an > uncovered sign here and there. I traced the > > I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references change? > That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, rather than a > patchwork? > > Ian. > P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching Albury) > that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
Agreed. I could see a strict "on-the-grounder" changing the ref for each road section :-) I've noticed Google Maps is using the A36 now for the Princes Hwy, but I've only seen one sign at Rockdale, so I still think it is too early to change the route in OSM, but I'm open to be convinced. But I think using the wiki to coordinate when a particular route has been referenced, and then we use old_ref to capture the previous route referencing. Currently when I use skobbler to do navigation its ugly moving back and forth in references between the same road. Ian. On 3 May 2013 15:33, Ben Kelley wrote: > Hi. > > I have seen a few A15 signs on the New England Highway, but there are > still quite a few 43 and 15 signs along the route. The ground can still be > a bit confusing. > > - Ben Kelley. > On 3 May 2013 15:08, "Ian Sergeant" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the >> alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. >> >> I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the >> ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for >> navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be >> surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed routes >> on the webpage. >> >> To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced is >> the B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps an >> uncovered sign here and there. I traced the >> >> I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references >> change? That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, >> rather than a patchwork? >> >> Ian. >> P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching >> Albury) that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
Hi. I have seen a few A15 signs on the New England Highway, but there are still quite a few 43 and 15 signs along the route. The ground can still be a bit confusing. - Ben Kelley. On 3 May 2013 15:08, "Ian Sergeant" wrote: > Hi, > > I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the > alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. > > I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the > ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for > navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be > surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed routes > on the webpage. > > To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced is > the B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps an > uncovered sign here and there. I traced the > > I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references > change? That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, > rather than a patchwork? > > Ian. > P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching > Albury) that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW
Hi, I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the alphanumeric references before the signage has changed. I don't see the purpose of this. I doesn't correspond to what is on the ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for navigation. Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed routes on the webpage. To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced is the B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps an uncovered sign here and there. I traced the I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references change? That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, rather than a patchwork? Ian. P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching Albury) that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
