Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Lee Mason]

I’d be happy to update the marine parks with the latest dataset.
Cheers – Lee.

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Subject: Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

The Australian Marine Parks data owner reached out to me to bring the new 
Australian Marine Parks dataset[1] which went into effect on 1st July 2018 into 
OSM as they noticed we are mostly still using the outdated CAPAD 2016 data.

I've updated the Contributors page[2] with the required attribution and the CC 
BY waiver they completed[3].

@Lee and @cleary I know you've been working on these boundaries in the past, 
are you interested in updating OSM based on this data from DoEE?

[1] 
http://www.environment.gov.au/fed/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7BCD8877F3-8C39-4A20-A53F-070FBEE5AF3C%7D<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.environment.gov.au%2Ffed%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch%2Fresource%2Fdetails.page%3Fuuid%3D%257BCD8877F3-8C39-4A20-A53F-070FBEE5AF3C%257D=02%7C01%7C%7C1c9d60adf83149a5b7d008d607f3368c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636705138501292040=tnjvRDKE8X9d4Eu11uKVvGTJvgPq1ozpIag2dXyUljY%3D=0>
[2] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Department_of_the_Environment_and_Energy<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FContributors%23Department_of_the_Environment_and_Energy=02%7C01%7C%7C1c9d60adf83149a5b7d008d607f3368c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636705138501292040=k1g1Bn8Fpwg4hxGbMlegBC6dmve5CfATBFKatksgfu4%3D=0>
[3] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:AustralianMarineParks_OSM.pdf<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AAustralianMarineParks_OSM.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C1c9d60adf83149a5b7d008d607f3368c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636705138501292040=9ZizqSBy8VIU1yKjcAGnAerMstgMFsgaqjWy%2FmH9MUE%3D=0>

On 4 July 2018 at 17:27, Lee Mason 
mailto:lee.ma...@outlook.com.au>> wrote:

Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing Australian 
marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are amended as “Marine 
Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.

Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves were 
never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few days ago when the marine 
parks came into effect.

Regards,
Lee


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Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Andrew Harvey]

The Australian Marine Parks data owner reached out to me to bring the
new Australian
Marine Parks dataset[1] which went into effect on 1st July 2018 into OSM as
they noticed we are mostly still using the outdated CAPAD 2016 data.

I've updated the Contributors page[2] with the required attribution and the
CC BY waiver they completed[3].

@Lee and @cleary I know you've been working on these boundaries in the
past, are you interested in updating OSM based on this data from DoEE?

[1]
http://www.environment.gov.au/fed/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7BCD8877F3-8C39-4A20-A53F-070FBEE5AF3C%7D
[2]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Department_of_the_Environment_and_Energy
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:AustralianMarineParks_OSM.pdf

On 4 July 2018 at 17:27, Lee Mason  wrote:

>
>
> Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing
> Australian marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are
> amended as “Marine Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.
>
>
>
> Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves
> were never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few days ago when
> the marine parks came into effect.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Lee
>
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Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Warin]

On 06/07/18 18:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:

I'm okay with updating as you see fit.

On 6 July 2018 at 16:48, Lee Mason > wrote:


source:geography=CAPAD 2016

source:name=Commonwealth Marine Reserves Review


Could you use `source:geometry` it's used over 1M times already, 
`source:geography` has practically no usage.


Geometry is the shape.

I have been using source:boundary=* as that say what I mean it to say - 
location and shape.
I don't care how much of little use a tag has - I care that it says what 
I mean - what is there. This is particularly relevant where the tag will 
never be rendered.
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Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Andrew Harvey]

I'm okay with updating as you see fit.

On 6 July 2018 at 16:48, Lee Mason  wrote:

> source:geography=CAPAD 2016
>
> source:name=Commonwealth Marine Reserves Review
>

Could you use `source:geometry` it's used over 1M times already,
`source:geography` has practically no usage.
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[talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Lee Mason]

I have compiled some references below to support my original position when 
importing the marine parks. I am also asking for opinion if using the following 
sources on the import data would be acceptable:

source:geography=CAPAD 2016
source:name=Commonwealth Marine Reserves Review

The geospatial data of the zoning changes are not included in the current CAPAD 
release, so the zoning would be omitted in this import.

No changes to the outer boundaries of the reserves
[Speaking about the outcome of the review of marine reserves] “There is no loss 
of area under conservation management (reserve outer boundaries are 
unchanged)...”
https://theconversation.com/the-story-behind-australias-marine-reserves-and-how-we-should-change-them-65220

Change of names
“The Director of National Parks also consulted on a proposal to rename 
Commonwealth marine reserves. Based on this consultation, a proclamation has 
been made to formally change the name of 58 marine reserves to marine parks.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20180629205748/http://environment.gov.au/topics/marine/marine-reserves

The change of names is also clearly evident when visiting 
https://parksaustralia.gov.au/marine/ or 
https://parksaustralia.gov.au/marine/management/background/review-reports/

Regards
Lee


From: Lee Mason
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2018 17:27
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Australian Marine Parks Import


Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing Australian 
marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are amended as “Marine 
Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.

Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves were 
never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few days ago when the marine 
parks came into effect.

Regards,
Lee


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Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[cleary]

I've already communicated separately but reiterated here for the list:
As CAPAD is permitted source of data, we should reproduce this data,
including names, as it appears in the source. Of course, if we have
multiple permitted sources with differing data, then we may need to
ascertain which is more authoritative. If both are equally
authoritative, then the more recent is probably preferred. However I
understand the source of the new names data is not a source for which
OSM has permission. Therefore we may have to continue  to use currently
permitted data from CAPAD until new CAPAD data is available next year.

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Lee Mason wrote:
>  


> Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing
> Australian marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are
> amended as “Marine Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.>  


> Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine
> Reserves were never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few
> days ago when the marine parks came into effect.>  


> Regards,


> Lee


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[talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Lee Mason]

Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing Australian 
marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are amended as “Marine 
Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.

Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves were 
never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few days ago when the marine 
parks came into effect.

Regards,
Lee

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