Re: [talk-au] Bus, tram and train stop data license change
On 5 March 2010 05:35, Andy Botting wrote: > Also, I can call back the Dept. of Transport if anyone has any > questions about this data. I had a feeling that the CC license was > irrevocable, but hadn't checked myself. Do you think it's worth > pressing them about it? While it's not revocable, if the person who released the data under CC wasn't authorised to do so by the copyright holder, then the CC license wasn't valid in the first place. Whether that's how it went down in this case is open to question, so it wouldn't hurt to contact them and clear it up. You might also ask them how much creativity/definable authorship was involved in creating the database - if there isn't any you could mention that it's not copyrightable anyway. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bus, tram and train stop data license change
> Very disappointing... I was browsing the http://data.vic.gov.au > website yesterday and noticed that Metlink and the Department of > Transport had released two datasets: the TransNET database of routes, > stops and timetables, and a file of bus, tram and train stops. The > TransNET file was under the DoT's restrictive license: only to be used > for the 'App My State' competition, no commercial use, etc., however I > was delighted to see that the stop information including very accurate > lat/long coordinates was released under a CC - Attribution 2.5 > Australia license! I spent much of the day preparing to import it and > producing a wiki page to document the process and data... > > However, I returned to the site > (http://data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123) today > to find the license has been changed to the restrictive TransNET > license! I've been looking at importing tram stop information for some time, and I've been in contact with Yarra Trams, Metlink and more recently, the Dept. of Transport. I had a call two weeks ago from a woman at the Dept. of Transport basically explaining to me the license restrictions they have on their data, and if I could agree to their restrictions, I could use the data. She also said that the Dept. of Transport were looking at releasing data under a CC license, but it was going to be a long process, and we might see results by the end of the year! A friend of mine pointed out this data set, telling me it was CC. I didn't believe him at first, until I had a look. I immediately emailed the Dept. of Transport with an email basically saying WTF? and I had another call a few days later saying it was a MASSIVE stuff-up on the Vic Govt part.. and they pulled that license off. So I thought this story might be of some interest to this list :) Also, I can call back the Dept. of Transport if anyone has any questions about this data. I had a feeling that the CC license was irrevocable, but hadn't checked myself. Do you think it's worth pressing them about it? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bus, tram and train stop data license change
On 4 March 2010 14:20, Alex Lum wrote: > Any thoughts? I'm inclined not to proceed with importing or deriving > from the data if it's likely to be an issue, even though it's probably > on pretty safe ground given that the data actually was released under > a CC license albeit for a ten day window, and I retrieved it under > those terms and the Terms of Use of the website. At a guess this seems to be one of those situations like a supermarket that prices the item wrongly, and when they realised they changed it, but of course when things end up on the internet they often aren't forgotten in a hurry. I guess it depends on your moral point of view here, since either way copyright no longer applies on a simple DB of facts any more in Australia. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bus, tram and train stop data license change
Get Firefox if you have not already got it, then get the "Scrapbook" add on, then copy the cached version to a local scrapbook, just in case it changes again. Might not make much difference, but every little bit helps. On 4 March 2010 12:20, Alex Lum wrote: > Very disappointing... I was browsing the http://data.vic.gov.au > website yesterday and noticed that Metlink and the Department of > Transport had released two datasets: the TransNET database of routes, > stops and timetables, and a file of bus, tram and train stops. The > TransNET file was under the DoT's restrictive license: only to be used > for the 'App My State' competition, no commercial use, etc., however I > was delighted to see that the stop information including very accurate > lat/long coordinates was released under a CC - Attribution 2.5 > Australia license! I spent much of the day preparing to import it and > producing a wiki page to document the process and data... > > However, I returned to the site > (http://data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123) today > to find the license has been changed to the restrictive TransNET > license! > > Google still has the CC-A2.5 version cached: > http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:ZFC_fGJMI4MJ:data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123+metlink+site:data.vic.gov.au&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au > > Now according to the Creative Commons FAQ: "Creative Commons licenses > are non-revocable. This means that you cannot stop someone, who has > obtained your work under a Creative Commons license, from using the > work according to that license." > > Any thoughts? I'm inclined not to proceed with importing or deriving > from the data if it's likely to be an issue, even though it's probably > on pretty safe ground given that the data actually was released under > a CC license albeit for a ten day window, and I retrieved it under > those terms and the Terms of Use of the website. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bus, tram and train stop data license change
Very disappointing... I was browsing the http://data.vic.gov.au website yesterday and noticed that Metlink and the Department of Transport had released two datasets: the TransNET database of routes, stops and timetables, and a file of bus, tram and train stops. The TransNET file was under the DoT's restrictive license: only to be used for the 'App My State' competition, no commercial use, etc., however I was delighted to see that the stop information including very accurate lat/long coordinates was released under a CC - Attribution 2.5 Australia license! I spent much of the day preparing to import it and producing a wiki page to document the process and data... However, I returned to the site (http://data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123) today to find the license has been changed to the restrictive TransNET license! Google still has the CC-A2.5 version cached: http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:ZFC_fGJMI4MJ:data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123+metlink+site:data.vic.gov.au&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au Now according to the Creative Commons FAQ: "Creative Commons licenses are non-revocable. This means that you cannot stop someone, who has obtained your work under a Creative Commons license, from using the work according to that license." Any thoughts? I'm inclined not to proceed with importing or deriving from the data if it's likely to be an issue, even though it's probably on pretty safe ground given that the data actually was released under a CC license albeit for a ten day window, and I retrieved it under those terms and the Terms of Use of the website. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
