Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[David Wales]

I've sent the waiver, and added it to the catalogue.

On 27/9/19 12:01 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> I haven't sent one, feel free to send one and add it to the catalogue
> (even if you don't hear back, if it's helpful to keep track of what
> we've sent and when).
>
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 21:41, David Wales  > wrote:
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> Dear Talk-AU,
>
> I have found a dataset on data.gov.au  with
> Centrelink addresses, locations and opening hours.
>
> 
> https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-70c2b2fe-2a32-450e-98dc-453fe4a02aae/details?q=Centrelink
>
> I was unable to find this data in the Australian data catalogue.
>
> It is licensed as Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia.
>
> Has a waiver already been sent for this data, or should I send one?
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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Andrew Harvey]

I haven't sent one, feel free to send one and add it to the catalogue (even
if you don't hear back, if it's helpful to keep track of what we've sent
and when).

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 21:41, David Wales  wrote:

> Dear Talk-AU,
>
> I have found a dataset on data.gov.au with Centrelink addresses,
> locations and opening hours.
>
>
> https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-70c2b2fe-2a32-450e-98dc-453fe4a02aae/details?q=Centrelink
>
> I was unable to find this data in the Australian data catalogue.
>
> It is licensed as Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia.
>
> Has a waiver already been sent for this data, or should I send one?
>
> Regards,
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[talk-au] Centrelink locations

[David Wales]

Dear Talk-AU,

I have found a dataset on data.gov.au with Centrelink addresses, locations and 
opening hours. 

https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-70c2b2fe-2a32-450e-98dc-453fe4a02aae/details?q=Centrelink

I was unable to find this data in the Australian data catalogue. 

It is licensed as Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia.

Has a waiver already been sent for this data, or should I send one?

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

You say potato etc...

I think you guys are can't see the forest for the trees.

If you don't know the name or proper official name of a place name
what you can and add a fixme or note saying you are unsure, what's so
difficult about that?

Also it might be a bowls club, but that generally isn't the proper
official name of the club...

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Liz]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
  It just isn't
  the actual name of the thing, so I'd prefer to use a more accurate tag.

 We agree! Use leisure=pitch + sport=bowls. This is off-topic, let's move
 on.
something so important needs to be documented

off to the wiki this big decision goes



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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Liz]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Liz wrote:
 off to the wiki this big decision goes
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Sports_Grounds
just underneath
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Licensed_Club

no-one has done any further work on my quick write up of a licensed club 
either


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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

2009/12/19 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
 On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Liz wrote:
 off to the wiki this big decision goes
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Sports_Grounds
 just underneath
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Licensed_Club

 no-one has done any further work on my quick write up of a licensed club
 either

I was at a bowls club tonight, it had a sticker on the door: This is a
member of registered clubs NSW

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

2009/12/19 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
 On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
  It just isn't
  the actual name of the thing, so I'd prefer to use a more accurate tag.

 We agree! Use leisure=pitch + sport=bowls. This is off-topic, let's move
 on.
 something so important needs to be documented

 off to the wiki this big decision goes

Ummm what does bowls have to do with Centrelink anyway?

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
 Ummm what does bowls have to do with Centrelink anyway?
same customers

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[talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

Yet another document with lat/lon that wasn't in the Geography category:

http://data.australia.gov.au/80

I've converted this to an osm file:

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/centrelink.osm.bz2

Wasn't sure how to tag these so came up with the following:

node id='-1' action='create' visible='true' lat='-37.8265812932'
lon='147.632924879'
tag k='amenity' v='social_services' /
tag k='fixme' v='not_reviewed' /
tag k='name' v='Bairnsdale Centrelink' /
tag k='centrelink:address' v='60 - 62 Macleod Street Bairnsdale VIC 3875' /
tag k='centrelink:postal_address' v='PO Box 613 Bairnsdale VIC 3875' /
tag k='centrelink:code' v='BRD' /
tag k='centrelink:office_type' v='CSC (Small Office)' /
tag k='attribution' v='Centrelink, http://www.centrelink.gov.au' /
tag k='opening_hours' v='Mo 08:00-17:00; Tu 08:00-17:00; We
08:00-17:00; Th 08:00-17:00; Fr 08:00-17:00' /
/node

The opening hours could be a little better, and I didn't bother to
look at the break hours.

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Evan Sebire]

Why wouldn't the address be entered using the Karlsruhe system?
Is the data all in one line and it would need more processing?
I normally enter urls using the url tag.

Keep up the great work!
Evan


On Friday 18 Dec 2009 16:59:01 John Smith wrote:
 Yet another document with lat/lon that wasn't in the Geography category:
 
 http://data.australia.gov.au/80
 
 I've converted this to an osm file:
 
 http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/centrelink.osm.bz2
 
 Wasn't sure how to tag these so came up with the following:
 
 node id='-1' action='create' visible='true' lat='-37.8265812932'
 lon='147.632924879'
 tag k='amenity' v='social_services' /
 tag k='fixme' v='not_reviewed' /
 tag k='name' v='Bairnsdale Centrelink' /
 tag k='centrelink:address' v='60 - 62 Macleod Street Bairnsdale VIC 3875'
  / tag k='centrelink:postal_address' v='PO Box 613 Bairnsdale VIC 3875'
  / tag k='centrelink:code' v='BRD' /
 tag k='centrelink:office_type' v='CSC (Small Office)' /
 tag k='attribution' v='Centrelink, http://www.centrelink.gov.au' /
 tag k='opening_hours' v='Mo 08:00-17:00; Tu 08:00-17:00; We
 08:00-17:00; Th 08:00-17:00; Fr 08:00-17:00' /
 /node
 
 The opening hours could be a little better, and I didn't bother to
 look at the break hours.
 
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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Steve Bennett]

Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just
Centrelink?
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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Henderson]

Steve Bennett wrote:
 Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just 
 Centrelink?

I'm all for putting town/suburb names in as well.  One place where it 
matters is looking up POIs on GPS units.

These are sorted by proximity to current location.  And when using the 
feature to find fuel outlets for example, it's a tremendous help to have 
suburb names in the lists you get instead of just:

BP
Woolworths
Caltex/Woolworths
Slell Coles
Mobil
BP
BP
Caltex/Woolworths, and so on.

John

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Roy Wallace]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:28 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
 Steve Bennett wrote:
 Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just
 Centrelink?

 I'm all for putting town/suburb names in as well.  One place where it
 matters is looking up POIs on GPS units.

 These are sorted by proximity to current location.  And when using the
 feature to find fuel outlets for example, it's a tremendous help to have
 suburb names in the lists you get instead of just:

 BP
 Woolworths
 Caltex/Woolworths
 Slell Coles
 Mobil
 BP
 BP
 Caltex/Woolworths, and so on.

But isn't this a problem with the user i.e. the GPS unit software?
I.e. shouldn't the suburb be retrieved from an admin boundary if
required? IMHO the name=* value should be the name. If it's actually
called Bairnsdale Centrelink then fine, but I wouldn't add it just
to change the behaviour of some other software.

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Steve Bennett]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:

 But isn't this a problem with the user i.e. the GPS unit software?
 I.e. shouldn't the suburb be retrieved from an admin boundary if
 required? IMHO the name=* value should be the name. If it's actually
 called Bairnsdale Centrelink then fine, but I wouldn't add it just
 to change the behaviour of some other software.


IMHO, the tag name is really not enough. I've often wanted at least three
tags:
1) The genuine most official name of the place - in this case, Bairnsdale
Centrelink
2) The best name to show on a map, given local context: Centrelink
3) A descriptive name, when I don't know 1). I feel weird tagging
name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name, I just don't know the real
name. Yet I would rather see Bowls Club on a map, than nothing.

Steve
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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

2009/12/19 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org:
 Why wouldn't the address be entered using the Karlsruhe system?

I did it this way because I think we should be verifying the
information, not just entering it. Although if people think it should
be dealt with differently I'm happy to update the uploaded files to be
something else.

 Is the data all in one line and it would need more processing?

Yes, which is one reason I added it that way.

 I normally enter urls using the url tag.

That was the attribution that they wanted on the data.australia.gov.au
page, should it be split up?

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

2009/12/19 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
 Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just
 Centrelink?

Generally places like this are in context when you are there but on
maps the context is lost a little so I think it's best to have the
suburb as part of the name.

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

2009/12/19 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
 Steve Bennett wrote:
 Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just
 Centrelink?

 I'm all for putting town/suburb names in as well.  One place where it
 matters is looking up POIs on GPS units.

+1

The BP locations, imported the other day at least should, usually have
some other name, eg such and such roadhouse, or BP suburb name but
these were set by BP.

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

2009/12/19 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
 IMHO, the tag name is really not enough. I've often wanted at least three
 tags:
 1) The genuine most official name of the place - in this case, Bairnsdale
 Centrelink

Should I switch the order on the names from 'Centrelink Bairnsdale' to
'Bairnsdale Centrelink' ?

 3) A descriptive name, when I don't know 1). I feel weird tagging
 name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name, I just don't know the real
 name. Yet I would rather see Bowls Club on a map, than nothing.

So leave a note/fixme tag so someone else can fix it up if they know
the name or find it later.

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Roy Wallace]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:

 I feel weird tagging name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name

I would feel weird too! If you don't know the name, PLEASE don't enter a name=*.

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[John Smith]

2009/12/19 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
 But isn't this a problem with the user i.e. the GPS unit software?
 I.e. shouldn't the suburb be retrieved from an admin boundary if
 required? IMHO the name=* value should be the name. If it's actually
 called Bairnsdale Centrelink then fine, but I wouldn't add it just
 to change the behaviour of some other software.

This is a catch 22, normally you see 'Railway Station' minus the
suburb name, which you already know, maps don't really have context in
the same way so it;s generally good to know the suburb name.

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Steve Bennett]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I feel weird tagging name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name

 I would feel weird too! If you don't know the name, PLEASE don't enter a
 name=*.


This must be important to you. Why so?

Alternative tagging suggestions that will get rendered are welcome. But
don't you dare mention tagging for the renderer.

Steve
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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Roy Wallace]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I feel weird tagging name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name

 I would feel weird too! If you don't know the name, PLEASE don't enter a
 name=*.

 This must be important to you. Why so?

People tag A=B when they know A does not equal B. Do you really want
me to explain why this isn't a good idea?

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Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

[Steve Bennett]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:

 People tag A=B when they know A does not equal B. Do you really want
 me to explain why this isn't a good idea?


You want steak. I only have chicken. I want you to explain why you prefer to
starve.

More prosaically, many maps use descriptive terms rather than precise names
in various locations: Bowls Club would be perfectly normal. It just isn't
the actual name of the thing, so I'd prefer to use a more accurate tag.
But I can't see any harm caused, it's simply suboptimal. And I really can't
see why not tagging would be preferable.

Steve
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