Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Warin]

Repetition can be reduced using JOSM. Set it to 'expert mode'

Requires a plugin 'utiltools' or 'More Tools'.

Create your addresses along one street without street name, postcode, 
sub etc - just the house number.


Finished? Ok - create a node with the street name, post code etc. Now ^C 
it to put the information on the clip board.


Now select the nodes what you want to replicate the information .. then 
press the  'shift' key with the 'R' key.

Delete the node that only has the street name, post code, etc.

Repeat for each street.


On 28-Dec-17 04:22 PM, Arthur Geeson wrote:


I have been busy doing street names and house numbers for some years:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-38.09198/144.35883

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.36135/-1.98845

I normally use Potlatch and the address consists of street number and 
name, post code and suburb name for each house.  I question if it is 
necessary to add the post code and suburb name as these are implicit 
in the dwelling location. It does get very repetitive.  If these are 
required for searching purposes perhaps they could be done using 
software on the data base?  I presume it is all stored and taking up 
database space?


Arthur


On 28/12/17 12:51, Nick Hocking wrote:
Address data could also be used to verify street/road names and also 
add them where they are missing.



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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Arthur Geeson]

I have been busy doing street names and house numbers for some years:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-38.09198/144.35883

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.36135/-1.98845

I normally use Potlatch and the address consists of street number and 
name, post code and suburb name for each house.  I question if it is 
necessary to add the post code and suburb name as these are implicit in 
the dwelling location. It does get very repetitive. If these are 
required for searching purposes perhaps they could be done using 
software on the data base?  I presume it is all stored and taking up 
database space?


Arthur


On 28/12/17 12:51, Nick Hocking wrote:
Address data could also be used to verify street/road names and also 
add them where they are missing.



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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Nick Hocking]

Address data could also be used to verify street/road names and also add
them where they are missing.
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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Warin]

On 28-Dec-17 12:30 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:


Hi Jubal

The missing OSM information in Australia that would be, by a large 
margin, the most usefull, would be address data (and building 
footprint, if available).


If we had address data then OSM maps would be usefull for the genberal 
public to use in car navigation etc.


Collecting address data manually is tedious and unsafe.  I believe 
that the address data is available for some states and if addedd to 
OSM, would make OSM the premier mapping source here.




The state of NSW address data is available through the LPI Base Map.
Most address benefit would be through the retail/commercial centres of 
cities, towns and villages.


Entering this data is tedious as there is a lot of it and visual 
motivation is lacking as it makes little visual difference to the map.




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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Nick Hocking]

Hi Jubal

The missing OSM information in Australia that would be, by a large margin,
the most usefull, would be address data (and building footprint, if
available).

If we had address data then OSM maps would be usefull for the genberal
public to use in car navigation etc.

Collecting address data manually is tedious and unsafe.  I believe that the
address data is available for some states and if addedd to OSM, would make
OSM the premier mapping source here.

Cheers
Nick
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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[David Bannon]

Jubal, I think its great you should be putting in an effort like that. 
One little worry however, many roads in Australia travel across very 
lightly populated areas and are often quite unsuitable for certain 
vehicles and drivers who are inexperienced with the conditions. Such 
roads are often quite optimistically named, "Plenty Highway", "Gunbarrel 
Highway" and many, many more.


Please don't make any assumptions about such things, apart from putting 
misleading information in the map, lives could be put at risk.


Sticking to urban areas might be  good idea.

And I note you plan to work on waterways too. We have a lot of water 
ways in Australia, however, most of them don't have any water in them .


David


On 22/12/17 10:54, Jubal Harpster wrote:


Hi Everyone,

You may have noticed some Microsoft folks present on the mailings 
lists and Australian Slack channels in the past few months.  Microsoft 
have convened a small Open-Maps team that is starting to work on the 
OSM data in Australia. Our team is not importing data, using 
algorithms or robot edits to improve the map, we are using iD & JOSM 
to make improvements.


The OSM data in Australia is in phenomenal condition thanks to the 
existing contributors. The list of projects we’re working on is 
publicly visible on our github repo here: 
(https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps).  We welcome feedback, please 
feel free to reach out to individual members of the team listed here 
(https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps/wiki/Open-Maps-Team-at-Microsoft) 
to myself directly or to the whole team at openm...@microsoft.com 



Thanks,

-Jubal Harpster

Microsoft



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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Andy,
Thanks for the suggestion. Especially for the lakes, adding the wikidata ID for 
the feature would be useful. I'll talk to the team about modifying the workflow 
to add the wikidata ID provided we can correctly identify the right lake.

Regards,
-Jubal

-Original Message-
From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 10:57 AM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

On 21 December 2017 at 23:54, Jubal Harpster <jub...@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Microsoft have convened a small Open-Maps team that is starting to 
> work on the OSM data in Australia.

Hi Juba,

That sounds great. Have you considered adding Wikidata IDs as part of your work?

For example, many of the water bodies you're working on will exist in Wikidata; 
and you can create items there for those that do not.

Documentation starts here:

   
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FWikidata=02%7C01%7Cjubalh%40microsoft.com%7C8b566e385bea4edcef6d08d5496dfdca%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636495659117910334=wlCvS5g9xCz2hrwXQEfIVQ4xs7SE0fs392%2FScRxoX5w%3D=0

and I'm happy to advise if needed.

--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Andy Mabbett]

On 21 December 2017 at 23:54, Jubal Harpster  wrote:

> Microsoft have convened a small Open-Maps team that is starting to work
> on the OSM data in Australia.

Hi Juba,

That sounds great. Have you considered adding Wikidata IDs as part of your work?

For example, many of the water bodies you're working on will exist in
Wikidata; and you can create items there for those that do not.

Documentation starts here:

   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata

and I'm happy to advise if needed.

-- 
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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Alex,

You’re correct, we are mostly based in Seattle with one person currently based 
in Belgrade. And fair question on the armchair mapping from the other side of 
the world.  We picked Australia for a number of reasons 1) Important geography 
for Microsoft, 2) active OSM community, 3) Open-Data friendly government 
policies, 4) common language, 5) warm and sunny beaches.

Without going to much in to our longer term plans, Microsoft has been investing 
in OSM for a while from imagery, to sponsoring events, and open sourcing data.  
Given the level of interest and the growth of the project as a whole, now seems 
like a good time to accelerate the effort.

-Jubal


From: Alex Sims [mailto:a...@softgrow.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:06 PM
To: Jubal Harpster <jub...@microsoft.com>
Cc: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

Hi,

It looks as though you are all based in Seattle, rather than Australia, is that 
right?

The big question for me is why are you armchair mapping Australia from the US.

How can you be sure that your edits are correct and what is Microsoft’s secret 
plan for Australia :) ?

Alex


On 22 Dec 2017, at 10:24 am, Jubal Harpster 
<jub...@microsoft.com<mailto:jub...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
You may have noticed some Microsoft folks present on the mailings lists and 
Australian Slack channels in the past few months.  Microsoft have convened a 
small Open-Maps team that is starting to work on the OSM data in Australia. Our 
team is not importing data, using algorithms or robot edits to improve the map, 
we are using iD & JOSM to make improvements.

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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Sam Wilson]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017, at 10:44 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> 
> 1. There's a Australian Slack channel? Oh, there's at least two. Great, 
> just what we need, more fragmentation.
> 

There is the Maptime Australia one — http://maptimeaustralia.slack.com
What is the other?

(And yes... don't you know that if you're not logging in to at least one new IM 
platform a month you're not Keeping Up™?!)


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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Andrew Davidson]

Did you look at the list of things that they are mapping 
(https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps/issues)?


They all look like things that would be normally arm-chaired anyway. 
Does it really matter if it's done by someone 100km or 12,000km away?


The only comment I'd make is that the correct tag is source:name not 
name:source. Oh, and a source:geometry is always a nice-to-have.


On 22/12/17 12:05, Alex Sims wrote:

Hi,

It looks as though you are all based in Seattle, rather than Australia, is that 
right?

The big question for me is why are you armchair mapping Australia from the US.

How can you be sure that your edits are correct and what is Microsoft’s secret 
plan for Australia :) ?



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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Andrew Davidson]

Two things:

1. There's a Australian Slack channel? Oh, there's at least two. Great, 
just what we need, more fragmentation.


2. microsoft.com emails go straight to spam. Thanks Google.

On 22/12/17 12:05, Alex Sims wrote:

Hi,

It looks as though you are all based in Seattle, rather than Australia, is that 
right?

The big question for me is why are you armchair mapping Australia from the US.

How can you be sure that your edits are correct and what is Microsoft’s secret 
plan for Australia :) ?

Alex


On 22 Dec 2017, at 10:24 am, Jubal Harpster 
> wrote:
You may have noticed some Microsoft folks present on the mailings lists and 
Australian Slack channels in the past few months.  Microsoft have convened a small 
Open-Maps team that is starting to work on the OSM data in Australia. Our team is 
not importing data, using algorithms or robot edits to improve the map, we are 
using iD & JOSM to make improvements.



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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

It looks as though you are all based in Seattle, rather than Australia, is that 
right?

The big question for me is why are you armchair mapping Australia from the US.

How can you be sure that your edits are correct and what is Microsoft’s secret 
plan for Australia :) ?

Alex


On 22 Dec 2017, at 10:24 am, Jubal Harpster 
> wrote:
You may have noticed some Microsoft folks present on the mailings lists and 
Australian Slack channels in the past few months.  Microsoft have convened a 
small Open-Maps team that is starting to work on the OSM data in Australia. Our 
team is not importing data, using algorithms or robot edits to improve the map, 
we are using iD & JOSM to make improvements.

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