Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion on marking non-existent roads, so people don't waste time trying to map them? when you get to his area, non-existent roads are often roads into properties, and belong on the old Telstra database from which they were robbed, but not on a normal map ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:41:10 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion on marking non-existent roads, so people don't waste time trying to map them? when you get to his area, non-existent roads are often roads into properties, and belong on the old Telstra database from which they were robbed, but not on a normal map For all that it saves mappers time putting this data on there, surely it's bordering on infringement issues putting reference to them in there. Especially things like honey-pot streets. Darrin -- =b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
--- On Tue, 11/8/09, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: I was out mapping near Appin on Sunday and Google and the map in my consumer gps had large numbers of non existent roads - and getting to Tarago by TomTom was a disaster Does anyone have a suggestion on marking non-existent roads, so people don't waste time trying to map them? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
--- On Tue, 11/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: The UBD printed maps have a marking called untrafficable road (or something to that effect). Basically it's a designation for roads which are gazetted but don't exist. A quick search comes up with untrafficable non-trafficable road :) I don't really mind which way things go in terms of naming, but I really think it's important to include the errata of other maps so people don't waste their time mapping things that don't exist or never existed. There's a creek which runs through there, along with a ~10m high cliff face on the Northern side. I used to live in Knox Ave and spent much of my childhood exploring the bush around there. Why haven't you marked in the creek and cliff face? :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
--- On Tue, 11/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: There's a creek which runs through there, along with a ~10m high cliff face on the Northern side. I used to live in Knox Ave and spent much of my childhood exploring the bush around there. Also it looks like someone hasn't mapped the epping to chatswood line properly nearby, no layer/tunnel tags, I'd update it but I can't remember if the whole thing is underground or where it comes up. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
I heard an interesting story about the planning of early Sydney roads (I hope it wasn't on this list). The claim was that the roads were planned by someone sitting in London and drawing a straight line between two points . . . . cheers On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: The UBD printed maps have a marking called untrafficable road (or something to that effect). Basically it's a designation for roads which are gazetted but don't exist. eg: Stanley Road, Epping, NSW: OSM: http://osm.org/go/u...@fn8li- Whereis: http://www.whereis.com/nsw/epping/stanley-rd?id=93E9799C00893A There's a creek which runs through there, along with a ~10m high cliff face on the Northern side. I used to live in Knox Ave and spent much of my childhood exploring the bush around there. Brent - Original Message - From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads... To: Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe something on a wiki page, but how do you know to look there? There is a lot of roads marked on g'maps and others that just don't exist, you'd get lost in the noise. doesn't actually exist. This system is not much use to someone else trying to survey the same area though. Yup, exactly, I more or less know what is there when I was surveying it with a GPS, but that doesn't help the next person, for roads that partially exist I put a barrier in, but that doesn't help for complete roads that don't exist. Another case would be for streets that no longer exist, but once existed, and where there are GPS traces in OSM for the street that used to exist. (There are a couple in Tamworth like this.) I don't have a good solution for these. Something that came to mind reading your reply was railway=abandoned, it doesn't render but it's still marked, there's no way we'd get agreement upon this from the main list they're still going in circles over trees and paths. Something like highway=abandoned or highway=phantom, I'm not advocating to copy from other maps, but if you have mapped out streets near by it should be possible to approximate rough location in OSM database. Thoughts? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
The cliff isn't really significant enough to mark in. I could fudge up the creek from memory, I guess. - Original Message - From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads... To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au --- On Tue, 11/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: The UBD printed maps have a marking called untrafficable road (or something to that effect). Basically it's a designation for roads which are gazetted but don't exist. A quick search comes up with untrafficable non-trafficable road :) I don't really mind which way things go in terms of naming, but I really think it's important to include the errata of other maps so people don't waste their time mapping things that don't exist or never existed. There's a creek which runs through there, along with a ~10m high cliff face on the Northern side. I used to live in Knox Ave and spent much of my childhood exploring the bush around there. Why haven't you marked in the creek and cliff face? :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: I heard an interesting story about the planning of early Sydney roads (I hope it wasn't on this list). The claim was that the roads were planned by someone sitting in London and drawing a straight line between two points . . . . That was my tactic in simcity :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
--- On Tue, 11/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: The UBD printed maps have a marking called untrafficable road (or something to that effect). Basically it's a designation for roads which are gazetted but don't exist. Does anyone have a problem with these roads being marked on OSM? If not, does anyone have a problem with using highway=untrafficable? I noticed this sort of thing has come up on other lists: http://archive.aussiehighways.com/msg04516.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
