[talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-03 Thread James Andrewartha
Hi all,

NearMap is a company that's going to do monthly or more often flights over 
the major cities, and license their images so that derivative works are 
CC-BY-SA, ie for OSM. They're also using OSM for their map layer. 
http://www.nearmap.com/ is their website but it's currently in stealth 
mode - see [1] for the username/password.

The imagery is mostly around Perth so far, but Adelaide, Brisbane and 
Sydney also have some coverage. http://twitter.com/nearmap is updated with 
flights, apparently it takes two weeks for new imagery to go online. Their 
presentation [2] from 2007 claims "We operate at much less than $5/km2" 
thanks to their custom hardware and HPC processing. There's an investor 
presentation [3] from their parent company (which is a networking patent 
licensor) with a few more details.

The presentation contains so example shots, including over time and
comparisons to Google's imagery. There's more at [4] and in their forum
[5]. As well as photos, they have highly accurate terrain data.

James Andrewartha

[1] http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=900486&page=51
[2] 
http://www.nearmap.com/assets/pdf/keynote/07-09-16NixonNearMapKeynote.pdf
(currently requires a username/password)
[3] http://www.ipernica.com/IRM/content/nearmap_news.html
[4] http://www.nearmap.com/community/topfinds.aspx
(currently requires a username/password)
[5] http://nearmap.lefora.com/forum/category/interesting-finds/page1/


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread John Smith
2009/11/4 James Andrewartha :
> Hi all,
>
> NearMap is a company that's going to do monthly or more often flights over
> the major cities, and license their images so that derivative works are
> CC-BY-SA, ie for OSM. They're also using OSM for their map layer.
> http://www.nearmap.com/ is their website but it's currently in stealth
> mode - see [1] for the username/password.

Do you know if they use multiple aircraft in the different cities, or
do they fly the same air craft around the country?

If it's the same aircraft do they plan to take imagery between cities too?

At $5/sq km, would it be possible to pay to get towns photographed
that might be out of the way?

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread James Andrewartha
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, John Smith wrote:

> 2009/11/4 James Andrewartha :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > NearMap is a company that's going to do monthly or more often flights over
> > the major cities, and license their images so that derivative works are
> > CC-BY-SA, ie for OSM. They're also using OSM for their map layer.
> > http://www.nearmap.com/ is their website but it's currently in stealth
> > mode - see [1] for the username/password.
> 
> Do you know if they use multiple aircraft in the different cities, or
> do they fly the same air craft around the country?

I think they use multiple aircraft - the cameras are housed in something 
they call the HyperPod that looks like it just attaches to a regular light 
airplane. They're not going to sell the HyperPod, just use it themselves.

> If it's the same aircraft do they plan to take imagery between cities too?
> 
> At $5/sq km, would it be possible to pay to get towns photographed
> that might be out of the way?

I couldn't say, but they might do it once for free (vs the regular updates 
planned for cities). For example, the WA coverage currently goes from 
Lancelin to New Norcia down to Northam, across to Kelleberrin, down to 
Quairading, back to Kalamunda, down to Dwellingup and across to Preston 
Beach, but the outlying areas are flown much less often than the Perth 
metro area.

The other cities are only just being flown (they're a Perth-based 
company), so it's hard to say how much coverage they'll have in the long 
term. For SA, the initial coverage around Adelaide is all the land west of 
a line from just southeast of Gawler through Meadows to a point due east 
of Sellicks Beach.

James Andrewartha


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread David Dean

This looks awesome!

I've added a page to the wiki at to start collecting information about how
we can use this imagery:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_Aerial_Imagery

Feel free to update it with any better details than what I've come up with
so far.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread John Smith
2009/11/4 David Dean :
>
> This looks awesome!
>
> I've added a page to the wiki at to start collecting information about how
> we can use this imagery:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_Aerial_Imagery
>
> Feel free to update it with any better details than what I've come up with
> so far.

I haven't looked too hard yet, but at first glance it looks like you'd
just need a modified copy of the yahoo WMS page for JOSM and change
the URLs to the nearmap URLs.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread John Smith
2009/11/4 James Andrewartha :
> I think they use multiple aircraft - the cameras are housed in something
> they call the HyperPod that looks like it just attaches to a regular light
> airplane. They're not going to sell the HyperPod, just use it themselves.

I wasn't looking to buy one, just see if we could get coverage of
larger regional areas like Tamworth in NSW which has 50-100k people,
but no sat or other hi-res imagery. While there are other regional
cities already mapped, land uses wouldn't have been so it would still
be useful to have coverage virtually everywhere Yahoo doesn't :)

> I couldn't say, but they might do it once for free (vs the regular updates
> planned for cities). For example, the WA coverage currently goes from

Do you work for this company, or have a contact with them?

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread James Andrewartha
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, John Smith wrote:

> 2009/11/4 James Andrewartha :
> > I couldn't say, but they might do it once for free (vs the regular updates
> > planned for cities). For example, the WA coverage currently goes from
> 
> Do you work for this company, or have a contact with them?

Nope, I just read their presentations and website thoroughly and inferred 
their business model would support a single flyover as a hook to get 
commercial and government licenses which would pay for regular updates.

Speaking of licenses, you should probably have a read of the commercial 
ones - it's not clear to me if Big Tin Can Maps qualifies for the free 
one, although IANAL.

James Andrewartha


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread John Smith
2009/11/4 James Andrewartha :
> Nope, I just read their presentations and website thoroughly and inferred
> their business model would support a single flyover as a hook to get
> commercial and government licenses which would pay for regular updates.

If they have imagery where no one else does this is bound to be useful
from a commercial perspective for someone I guess

> Speaking of licenses, you should probably have a read of the commercial
> ones - it's not clear to me if Big Tin Can Maps qualifies for the free
> one, although IANAL.

I was more interested in it from the community aspect, but I do
forward anything that might be of interest to David who deals with the
sales side of things.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread John Smith
I posted a couple of wish list items to their forum.

http://nearmap.lefora.com/forum/category/wish-list/page1/

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-04 Thread Michael
John Smith wrote:
> I haven't looked too hard yet, but at first glance it looks like you'd
> just need a modified copy of the yahoo WMS page for JOSM and change
> the URLs to the nearmap URLs.

Since this is not a WMS server, it needs a bit more work. You should be
able to use these instructions:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-October/001537.html

Michael


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread Peter Ross
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Michael  wrote:
> John Smith wrote:
>> I know it's not a WMS service, but that's what JOSM refers to it as,
>> their WMS plugin can load OSM tiles in the same way.
>
> Nice. JOSM keeps learning new tricks all the time :-)
>
> In the meantime, I have also created a patch for the slippymap plugin to
> include NearMap per default. It is attached. The resulting plugin can be
> found @ http://rapidshare.com/files/302644272/slippymap.jar.html
>
> What I like about slippymap is that is zooms in and out as you move
> about the map, where the WMS layer stays fixed at one zoom level.
>
I tried this plugin with the latest josm-tested.jar from the josm
website and got the following exception.

org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.PluginException: An error occurred in
plugin slippymap
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.PluginProxy.mapFrameInitialized(PluginProxy.java:33)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.PluginHandler.setMapFrame(PluginHandler.java:194)
at org.openstreetmap.josm.Main.setMapFrame(Main.java:162)
at org.openstreetmap.josm.Main.addLayer(Main.java:219)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.actions.downloadtasks.DownloadOsmTask$Task.finish(DownloadOsmTask.java:128)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.PleaseWaitRunnable$1.run(PleaseWaitRunnable.java:69)
at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:199)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:597)
at 
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:269)
at 
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:184)
at 
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:178)
at java.awt.Dialog$1.run(Dialog.java:1045)
at java.awt.Dialog$3.run(Dialog.java:1097)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.awt.Dialog.show(Dialog.java:1095)
at java.awt.Component.show(Component.java:1563)
at java.awt.Component.setVisible(Component.java:1515)
at java.awt.Window.setVisible(Window.java:841)
at java.awt.Dialog.setVisible(Dialog.java:985)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.progress.PleaseWaitProgressMonitor$4.run(PleaseWaitProgressMonitor.java:102)
at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:209)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:597)
at 
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:269)
at 
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:184)
at 
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(EventDispatchThread.java:174)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:169)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:161)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(EventDispatchThread.java:122)
Caused by: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at 
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
at 
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.PluginProxy.mapFrameInitialized(PluginProxy.java:30)
... 27 more
Caused by: java.lang.NoSuchMethodError:
org.openstreetmap.gui.jmapviewer.OsmTileSource$AbstractOsmTileSource.(Ljava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;)V
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.slippymap.SlippyMapPreferences$Coastline.(SlippyMapPreferences.java:231)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.slippymap.SlippyMapPreferences.getAllMapSources(SlippyMapPreferences.java:339)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.slippymap.SlippyMapPreferences.getMapSource(SlippyMapPreferences.java:40)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.slippymap.SlippyMapLayer.newTileStorage(SlippyMapLayer.java:115)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.slippymap.SlippyMapLayer.(SlippyMapLayer.java:141)
at 
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.slippymap.SlippyMapPlugin.mapFrameInitialized(SlippyMapPlugin.java:24)
... 32 more

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread David Dean

This pseudo-wms (or whatever we are calling it) doesn't appear to zoom in as
far as the NearMap data allows. For example, this link:

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/wms/nearmap.php?bbox=153.0113011,-27.4445217,153.0115373,-27.4443121&srs=EPSG:4326&width=500&height=500

returns the right region, but is not 500*500 pixels in width. It seems that
the zoom level is not getting any closer than z18, while I think NearMap can
support a fair way past that.

- David



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> Actually I added the username/password as part of the URL for the
> images and it now works in JOSM :)
> 
> Add a new WMS layer etc, and put the URL as:
> 
> html:http://map-data.bigtincan.com/wms/nearmap.php?
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread David Dean

You probably should also change the urls you grab the tiles from to 

   http://www.nearmap.com/maps/hl=en&z=&x=&y=&nml=Vert

Rather than the webN address so that they can load balance the requests if
needed.
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread John Smith
2009/11/6 David Dean :
>
> You probably should also change the urls you grab the tiles from to
>
>   http://www.nearmap.com/maps/hl=en&z=&x=&y=&nml=Vert
>
> Rather than the webN address so that they can load balance the requests if
> needed.

The script I setup on BTC servers is load balanced between web0.* to
web4.*, can't comment on potlatch though.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread John Smith
2009/11/6 David Dean :
>
> This pseudo-wms (or whatever we are calling it) doesn't appear to zoom in as
> far as the NearMap data allows. For example, this link:
>
> http://map-data.bigtincan.com/wms/nearmap.php?bbox=153.0113011,-27.4445217,153.0115373,-27.4443121&srs=EPSG:4326&width=500&height=500
>
> returns the right region, but is not 500*500 pixels in width. It seems that
> the zoom level is not getting any closer than z18, while I think NearMap can
> support a fair way past that.

I'm not sure how much further they can zoom in, but if I set the
number of zoom levels more than 19 (0-18) the image isn't returned
properly, the script I setup is based on OSM tiles, which only have 19
zoom levels.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread John Smith
I managed to bump it up to zoom level 22, after that nothing seems to
be returned.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread David Dean

So what happens if NearMap add more servers, or a server dies, or they change
the names? You'd be better off using www and letting NearMap handle the load
balancing.

- David


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> 2009/11/6 David Dean :
>>
>> You probably should also change the urls you grab the tiles from to
>>
>>   http://www.nearmap.com/maps/hl=en&z=&x=&y=&nml=Vert
>>
>> Rather than the webN address so that they can load balance the requests
>> if
>> needed.
> 
> The script I setup on BTC servers is load balanced between web0.* to
> web4.*, can't comment on potlatch though.
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread David Dean


Thanks!

I've already used it to obsessively trace the outline of my house:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-27.32&mlon=153.011575&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF

But now mapnik needs more zoom levels so I can see the detail :)

- David


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread John Smith
2009/11/6 David Dean :
> But now mapnik needs more zoom levels so I can see the detail :)

So does potlatch, I thought it zoomed in more previously than it does
now, but I'm tracing railway line near strathpine and it's almost
impossible to plot the 3 tracks because you can't zoom in far enough.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-05 Thread John Smith
2009/11/6 David Dean :
>
> So what happens if NearMap add more servers, or a server dies, or they change
> the names? You'd be better off using www and letting NearMap handle the load
> balancing.

OSM only has one tile server but they have 3 host names to trick
browsers into downloading tiles in parallel.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-07 Thread John Smith
2009/11/6 Michael :
> Attached is an updated patch that does not try to do the load balancing
> by itself and enables zoom levels up to 21. The corresponding download
> for -latest is @ http://rapidshare.com/files/303178932/slippymap.jar.html

I'm not sure if it's because webkit-image is slow to download/merge
images or what, but using the slippymap plugin loads the nearmap
images a LOT faster, and you can turn off auto zoom also.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-07 Thread John Smith
2009/11/5 Peter Ross :
> So for me source=nearmap is all that is needed.

I've been thinking about this, if they're going to re-fly over cities,
and judging by their existing WA imagery things on the images jump
1-2m in some cases, it might be useful to figure out the current
imagery date and add that as well.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-08 Thread Sam Vekemans
Sweet!

I think that once other Municipalities around the world get wind of
this, they will get jellious and want to make their images available
too. :-)

Thanks for sharing your methods :)

i cc'd this to the imports list, so others can check the archives of
this list to get the details.

Cheers,
Sam


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> 2009/11/5 Peter Ross :
>> So for me source=nearmap is all that is needed.
>
> I've been thinking about this, if they're going to re-fly over cities,
> and judging by their existing WA imagery things on the images jump
> 1-2m in some cases, it might be useful to figure out the current
> imagery date and add that as well.
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-10 Thread John Smith
NearMap now has Melbourne imagery online...

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.793508,145.04837&z=11&t=h

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-11 Thread Peter Ross
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:06 PM, John Smith  wrote:
> NearMap now has Melbourne imagery online...
>
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.793508,145.04837&z=11&t=h
>
I've checked out the imagery in an area [1] where I've uploaded
multiple GPS traces over multiple days with the Nearmap imagery.

It's great, but I at least in this location it's out by about 3-5m.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.801988&lon=145.014908&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF

However the actual imagery is fan-bloody-tastic!

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-11 Thread John Smith
2009/11/12 Peter Ross :
> It's great, but I at least in this location it's out by about 3-5m.

Considering that's bordering on GPS accuracy it's kind of hard to tell
the actual accuracy that way.

Brendan did some comparisons with the property boundaries in QLD and
came up with an accuracy of 1-4m.

> However the actual imagery is fan-bloody-tastic!

Considering other imagery sources are out 20+ m in places so is the accuracy :)

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-11 Thread Peter Ross
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, John Smith  wrote:
> 2009/11/12 Peter Ross :
>> It's great, but I at least in this location it's out by about 3-5m.
>
> Considering that's bordering on GPS accuracy it's kind of hard to tell
> the actual accuracy that way.
>
Sure if you only have one GPS track for that location, however I have
multiple gps tracks taken on different days over about 2 months, so
I'm assuming that using the mid point of all of those traces should be
where the track is.  If you use josm and download the gps traces for
the region I'm talking about you should be able to see what I mean.


> Brendan did some comparisons with the property boundaries in QLD and
> came up with an accuracy of 1-4m.
>
Ben Last from nearmap got in contact with me after I posted the above
on the nearmap wikipage and I quote:

"We'd like to find out what sort of errors you're seeing.  The
Melbourne survey wasn't flown with precision GPS due to a fault, but
it shoudl still be within 5m or  so absolute."

After that I did some more accurate measuring and the underlying
imagery needed to be moved 6m east and 3m south  and then it all lined
up extermely well.

>> However the actual imagery is fan-bloody-tastic!
>
> Considering other imagery sources are out 20+ m in places so is the accuracy 
> :)
>
It's the problem of having such good imagery, when things are out it's
much more noticeable.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-11 Thread Alex Kwiatkowski

Hi guys,

My names Alex and I work at Nearmap. I'm responsible for the Javascript
browser application so I can only answer a sub set of all the questions I
see here on the mailing list. I'll have to pass some of the salesy type ones
onto someone else.

In the areas we fly, we normally have images up to zoom level 21 or 22. In
some very rare areas we do return images at levels higher than this (e.g.
Perth CBD). The browser application @ www.nearmap.com allows you to zoom
into level 24 on all areas. It does this by scaling the images up from a
lower level on the client side. So if you can zoom into level 24 it doesn't
necessarily mean you will be able to request images from level 24 in your
plugins.

I hope that helps some of you guys. I'm really excited that the OSM
community has got on board and already given us heaps of great feedback that
we're busily trying to schedule into our release plans :)



David Dean wrote:
> 
> This pseudo-wms (or whatever we are calling it) doesn't appear to zoom in
> as far as the NearMap data allows. For example, this link:
> 
> http://map-data.bigtincan.com/wms/nearmap.php?bbox=153.0113011,-27.4445217,153.0115373,-27.4443121&srs=EPSG:4326&width=500&height=500
> 
> returns the right region, but is not 500*500 pixels in width. It seems
> that the zoom level is not getting any closer than z18, while I think
> NearMap can support a fair way past that.
> 
> - David
> 
> 
> 
> Bugzilla from deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Actually I added the username/password as part of the URL for the
>> images and it now works in JOSM :)
>> 
>> Add a new WMS layer etc, and put the URL as:
>> 
>> html:http://map-data.bigtincan.com/wms/nearmap.php?
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-11 Thread John Smith
2009/11/12 Alex Kwiatkowski :
> I hope that helps some of you guys. I'm really excited that the OSM
> community has got on board and already given us heaps of great feedback that
> we're busily trying to schedule into our release plans :)

Any idea when the rest of Sydney will be flown or uploaded?

Don't take this as a complaint, because what you guys have done is
amazing, but it's a tad strange that the imagery doesn't cover the
main CBD.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-11 Thread John Smith
2009/11/12 Alex Kwiatkowski :
> The day we flew Sydney there was a no fly zone in the CBD. Something to do
> with an important politician. We're aiming to have a complete Sydney survey
> up soon but I can't give you a firm ETA.

That's one reason I don't live in Sydney any more, when ever there is
a major event half the city gets shut down, thankfully I missed out on
APEC I bet that was a major pain in the butt.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-12 Thread Franc Carter
HI Alex,

I'd like to add my appreciation to NearMap as well, it's a fantastic resource.

I'd be interested to know if their is anything that I can do to help
make sure NearMap remains viable

cheers

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Alex Kwiatkowski
 wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> My names Alex and I work at Nearmap. I'm responsible for the Javascript
> browser application so I can only answer a sub set of all the questions I
> see here on the mailing list. I'll have to pass some of the salesy type ones
> onto someone else.
>
> In the areas we fly, we normally have images up to zoom level 21 or 22. In
> some very rare areas we do return images at levels higher than this (e.g.
> Perth CBD). The browser application @ www.nearmap.com allows you to zoom
> into level 24 on all areas. It does this by scaling the images up from a
> lower level on the client side. So if you can zoom into level 24 it doesn't
> necessarily mean you will be able to request images from level 24 in your
> plugins.
>
> I hope that helps some of you guys. I'm really excited that the OSM
> community has got on board and already given us heaps of great feedback that
> we're busily trying to schedule into our release plans :)
>
>
>
> David Dean wrote:
>>
>> This pseudo-wms (or whatever we are calling it) doesn't appear to zoom in
>> as far as the NearMap data allows. For example, this link:
>>
>> http://map-data.bigtincan.com/wms/nearmap.php?bbox=153.0113011,-27.4445217,153.0115373,-27.4443121&srs=EPSG:4326&width=500&height=500
>>
>> returns the right region, but is not 500*500 pixels in width. It seems
>> that the zoom level is not getting any closer than z18, while I think
>> NearMap can support a fair way past that.
>>
>> - David
>>
>>
>>
>> Bugzilla from deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually I added the username/password as part of the URL for the
>>> images and it now works in JOSM :)
>>>
>>> Add a new WMS layer etc, and put the URL as:
>>>
>>> html:http://map-data.bigtincan.com/wms/nearmap.php?
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-13 Thread Sam Couter
John Smith  wrote:
> That's one reason I don't live in Sydney any more, when ever there is
> a major event half the city gets shut down, thankfully I missed out on
> APEC I bet that was a major pain in the butt.

I went to a wedding in Sydney on the APEC weekend, and it was not nearly
as bad as I expected. I didn't get raped with a rubber glove, road
blocks weren't too extensive, and watching the military aircraft flying
around was interesting. We even drove under the Harbour Bridge at The Rocks
in the party buses that took us to the reception.
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-16 Thread ben last

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, John Smith wrote:
> Do you work for this company, or have a contact with them?


Just so the list knows... I work for NearMap (as does Alex K), and I'm happy
to respond to enquiries on the list.  There are actually a few of us on
various OSM forums and lists, but being a public company we're sometimes a
little bit constrained in what we can say.  The best way to interact with us
is via the forum on the NearMap site
(http://www.production.nearmap.com/community/contribute.aspx and click on
Forum), but I get the emails on this list and will read those that refer to
us :)

Anyway, in answer to a few of the questions that have come up:
* We use different aircraft in different locations; the comments by James
Andrewartha about the HyperPod are pretty much on the button.

* The need for authentication to access the website has been fully removed
now, so JOSM should be able to query our servers directly.

* We added the licensing about tracing for OSM specifically to allow use of
our images to boost the OSM data.  If you read more on our website (for
example, http://www.production.nearmap.com/help/faq.aspx#Gq4) you'll see
that we generate our StreetMap tiles from the OSM data, so it's very much to
our mutual benefit to get that data as up-to-date as we can.  In fact, since
we all live in Perth, there are quite a few updates to the data that we've
contributed, using the Potlatch custom URL format.

* Load balancing: all the externally available hostnames resolve to balanced
IPs, so you could use any of the web0-web7 or www hostnames.  However, to
make sure that you get the best service, including using the nearest web
servers to you (in net-connectivity terms), use www.nearmap.com.

* Accuracy: this is important to us!  The initial surveys of some cities
suffered some teething troubles with hardware and the accuracy suffered. 
You can generally expect the accuracy to be as good as the recent Perth
surveys, and when we reprocess the older surveys they will get more
accurate.
If you are assessing accuracy and find somewhere that we appear to be way
out (preferably against a known reference point), then please let us know,
via the forum.

* Caching tiles: if you can, please do.  They're served with strong etags
and suitable Cache-Control and Max-Age headers.  If your system honours
those, you'll get updated images in a reasonable time frame and avoid
hitting our servers too hard.  Incidentally, if you do try and suck down
tiles at a very high rate, you may well get throttled and start getting 509
responses.

Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-11-18 Thread David Dean

Michael,

Can you please submit your patches to the slippymap plugin for NearMap to
the JOSM trac at josm.openstreetmap.de (if you haven't already) so that the
mainline slippymap plugin can handle NearMap without us having to download
patched versions.

Thanks,

- David


Michael-557 wrote:
> 
> In the meantime, I have also created a patch for the slippymap plugin to
> include NearMap per default.
> 

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-13 Thread John Smith
Nearmap imagery for the 21st of Nov. has a lot of patchy cloud cover,
can anyone think of a possible way to add a date field to the
slippymap plugin to switch between older imagery rather than just
using the most up to date?

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-13 Thread Ben Last
If you add an *nmd* parameter to the NearMap URLs with the date in MMDD
format, you'll get the images for that date.  To be exact, the date is a
cutoff; you'll get the latest images with dates earlier than or equal to the
date specified.
Cheers
Ben

2009/12/14 John Smith 

> Nearmap imagery for the 21st of Nov. has a lot of patchy cloud cover,
> can anyone think of a possible way to add a date field to the
> slippymap plugin to switch between older imagery rather than just
> using the most up to date?
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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-13 Thread John Smith
2009/12/14 Ben Last :
> If you add an nmd parameter to the NearMap URLs with the date in MMDD
> format, you'll get the images for that date.  To be exact, the date is a
> cutoff; you'll get the latest images with dates earlier than or equal to the
> date specified.

I wasn't aware the parameter was treated as a cutoff date, but I knew
about the parameter.

The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin,
because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable by
a user, there is no options to tweak the URL in the plugin
interface/settings, so I was looking for help with the GUI stuff for
regular java because I have no idea where to begin to alter the
interface as I've never coded any regular java GUI.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith  wrote:
>
> The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin,
> because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable by
> a user, there is no options to tweak the URL in the plugin
> interface/settings

This isn't "easy", but you could try...going to the "Advanced
Settings" tab, and add a "slippymap.custom_tile_source_1" as described
at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM/Plugins/SlippyMap

(note I haven't tested this myself)

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Roy Wallace  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith  wrote:
>>
>> The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin,
>> because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable by
>> a user, there is no options to tweak the URL in the plugin
>> interface/settings
>
> This isn't "easy", but you could try...going to the "Advanced
> Settings" tab, and add a "slippymap.custom_tile_source_1" as described
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM/Plugins/SlippyMap
>
> (note I haven't tested this myself)

Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the
slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from /*/*/*.jpg, rather
than &z=&x=&y=&nml=Vert.

Something like that. This problem seems to be the motivation for
Morb_au's "hosted Apache mod_rewrite instance" (details:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nearmap#JOSM)

This is still a bit yuck. Anyone made any progress?

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Ben Last
What is the URL format?  If it's possible to change the hostname so that it
points at our servers, and to set at least the first part of the path, I
could see whether we can implement a custom URL parser for it (like we have
for Potlatch).
b

2009/12/23 Roy Wallace 

> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Roy Wallace 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin,
> >> because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable by
> >> a user, there is no options to tweak the URL in the plugin
> >> interface/settings
> >
> > This isn't "easy", but you could try...going to the "Advanced
> > Settings" tab, and add a "slippymap.custom_tile_source_1" as described
> > at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM/Plugins/SlippyMap
> >
> > (note I haven't tested this myself)
>
> Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the
> slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from /*/*/*.jpg, rather
> than &z=&x=&y=&nml=Vert.
>
> Something like that. This problem seems to be the motivation for
> Morb_au's "hosted Apache mod_rewrite instance" (details:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nearmap#JOSM)
>
> This is still a bit yuck. Anyone made any progress?
>



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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ben Last  wrote:
>
>> Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the
>> slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from /*/*/*.jpg, rather
>> than &z=&x=&y=&nml=Vert.
>
> What is the URL format?  If it's possible to change the hostname so that it
> points at our servers, and to set at least the first part of the path, I
> could see whether we can implement a custom URL parser for it (like we have
> for Potlatch).

This is (it seems) detailed here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames

In short, as described on that page: "Filename(url) format is
/zoom/x/y.png", where "each zoom level is a directory, each column is
a subdirectory, and each tile in that column is a file."

Thanks!

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Roy Wallace  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ben Last  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the
>>> slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from /*/*/*.jpg, rather
>>> than &z=&x=&y=&nml=Vert.
>>
>> What is the URL format?  If it's possible to change the hostname so that it
>> points at our servers, and to set at least the first part of the path, I
>> could see whether we can implement a custom URL parser for it (like we have
>> for Potlatch).
>
> This is (it seems) detailed here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames
>
> In short, as described on that page: "Filename(url) format is
> /zoom/x/y.png", where "each zoom level is a directory, each column is
> a subdirectory, and each tile in that column is a file."

Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow
the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests
in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps.jpg
(where  is the date)

The following related example of an "apache mod_rewrite instance" is
from 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nearmap#SlippyMap_Plugin_.28Method_2.2C_Using_hosted_URL_rewriting.29:

# Allows JOSM slippymap to browse the NearMap Aerial coverage 20091015
RewriteRule nearmap.aerial.slippymap.20091015/(.+)/(.+)/(.+).jpg
http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd=20091015&nml=Vert&x=$2&y=$3&z=$1
[L,R=permanent]

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Roy Wallace :
> Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow
> the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests
> in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps.jpg
> (where  is the date)

Doesn't need to be part of the path, just part of the URL, eg:

http://www.nearmap.com/maps/z/x/y.jpg?nmd=mmdd

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Smith  wrote:
> 2009/12/29 Roy Wallace :
>> Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow
>> the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests
>> in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps.jpg
>> (where  is the date)
>
> Doesn't need to be part of the path, just part of the URL, eg:
>
> http://www.nearmap.com/maps/z/x/y.jpg?nmd=mmdd

But John, it has to precede the last "/" to work as a
slippymap.custom_tile_source_1, right?

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Roy Wallace :
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Smith  wrote:
>> 2009/12/29 Roy Wallace :
>>> Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow
>>> the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests
>>> in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps.jpg
>>> (where  is the date)
>>
>> Doesn't need to be part of the path, just part of the URL, eg:
>>
>> http://www.nearmap.com/maps/z/x/y.jpg?nmd=mmdd
>
> But John, it has to precede the last "/" to work as a
> slippymap.custom_tile_source_1, right?
>

Sorry, half asleep when I typed that, I wonder if something like this
would work, as the nmd could be searched for in the URL etc.

http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd=mmdd/z/x/y.jpg

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Roy Wallace :
> Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow
> the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests
> in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps.jpg
> (where  is the date)

The problem is the slippymap plugin, it just occurred to me that all
we need is an extra parameter added to the plugin that can be passed
directly to the code that builds the URL, I'll try and get time to
play with the code tomorrow to add this, and if I don't have any luck
I'll just file a bug about it.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 John Smith :
> 2009/12/29 Roy Wallace :
>> Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow
>> the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests
>> in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps.jpg
>> (where  is the date)
>
> The problem is the slippymap plugin, it just occurred to me that all
> we need is an extra parameter added to the plugin that can be passed
> directly to the code that builds the URL, I'll try and get time to
> play with the code tomorrow to add this, and if I don't have any luck
> I'll just file a bug about it.
>

Actually someone already filed a bug with a better idea than I was
thinking of making a patch for:

http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/3983

Then it's just a matter of sticking in the URL similar to how you
would in potlatch.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2010-01-02 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 John Smith :
> http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/3983

I managed to get this to work, although I did it in slightly a lazy
way in that you can't supply a completely custom URL, I just added a
type option for custom URLs, so you could tell the system to send
/z/x/y.png or &x=$x&y=$y&z=$z and the URL you feed the URL section you
can specify the date. Needs to be fixed up to do proper URL parsing
etc, but works well enough to avoid needing to user morb_au's apache
redirection hack.

slippymap.custom_tile_source_1.ext=jpg
slippymap.custom_tile_source_1.name=Nearmap with custom date
slippymap.custom_tile_source_1.url=http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nml=Vert&nmd=20091031
slippymap.custom_tile_source_1.type=URL

I've uploaded a patch, and you can download a copy of the current
slippymap plugin from the latest branch here:

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/slippymap.jar

I doubt the plugin will work against the current stable version, and
no idea if my code will be included in the next stable release or not.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin

2009-11-09 Thread Brendan Morley
Michael,

Is there some way we can get this backported to -tested?  JOSM r2405 has two 
frustrating quirks for me in it (you can't add an additional download to your 
first download, and some ways become unselectable after you upload).  r2255 was 
quite nice in comparison, except for the zoom level 18 restriction (which 
seems to stem from getMaxZoom() in 
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/viewer/jmapviewer/src/org/openstreetmap/gui/jmapviewer/OsmTileSource.java)


Brendan

p.s.
My other frustration was downloading your patched alternative.  Rapidshare 
seems to specialise in >41kB web pages telling me I can't download the 41kB 
file yet )-:  Took me several retries before I got it ...


On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:21:40 +0100, Michael wrote:

>Peter Ross wrote:
>> I tried this plugin with the latest josm-tested.jar from the josm
>> website and got the following exception.

>Ah, I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that I'm using -latest.

>I can try to compile a patched version of the plugin for -tested. I
>think that when you send me the version number this corresponds to an
>SVN revision that I can check out. The latest version doesn't compile
>against -tested.

>Attached is an updated patch that does not try to do the load balancing
>by itself and enables zoom levels up to 21. The corresponding download
>for -latest is @ http://rapidshare.com/files/303178932/slippymap.jar.html

>Michael


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin

2009-11-09 Thread Michael
Brendan,

Brendan Morley wrote:
> Is there some way we can get this backported to -tested? JOSM r2405
> has

Please send me the version number of the slippymap plugin you are using
and I will try to patch that version. The latest version of the plugin
does not compile against -tested.

> My other frustration was downloading your patched alternative.
> Rapidshare seems to specialise in >41kB web pages telling me I can't
> download the 41kB file yet )-: Took me several retries before I got
> it ...

The plugin happens to be just slightly above the message size limit for
the mailing list. Rapidshare was just my first idea where I could
quickly put it. Probably I should just get myself an account for the
wiki and upload it there.

Michael


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin

2009-11-10 Thread morb . gis
Quoting Michael :

> Brendan,
>
> Brendan Morley wrote:
> > Is there some way we can get this backported to -tested? JOSM r2405
> > has
>
> Please send me the version number of the slippymap plugin you are using
> and I will try to patch that version. The latest version of the plugin
> does not compile against -tested.

Preferences > Plugins shows "slippymap: Version 17822* (17822)"

> > My other frustration was downloading your patched alternative.
> > Rapidshare seems to specialise in >41kB web pages telling me I can't
> > download the 41kB file yet )-: Took me several retries before I got
> > it ...
>
> The plugin happens to be just slightly above the message size limit for
> the mailing list. Rapidshare was just my first idea where I could
> quickly put it. Probably I should just get myself an account for the
> wiki and upload it there.

I was more bemused by Rapidshare's anti-anti-rationing policy.

Brendan


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin

2009-11-10 Thread John Smith
2009/11/10 Michael :
> The plugin happens to be just slightly above the message size limit for
> the mailing list. Rapidshare was just my first idea where I could
> quickly put it. Probably I should just get myself an account for the
> wiki and upload it there.

I can host stuff like this, just email it to me off list.

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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin

2009-11-10 Thread Michael
John Smith wrote:
> I can host stuff like this, just email it to me off list.

Thanks to John the plugins are now available in a more convenient location.

The plugin for -latest is @
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/slippymap-latest.jar

@ http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/slippymap-tested.jar you can find
version 17822 that is compatible with -tested patched for the NearMap
images. I only tested it long enough to see that it actually loads the
images. You should be able to set the max zoom to 22 through the
settings dialog, I think.

Remember to rename the files to slippymap.jar when you put it in the
plugin directory.

Michael

PS: @John, maybe others are interested, too: I think I saw an in-memory
cache mentioned in the code. So at least a few images are probably cached.


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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin

2009-11-10 Thread morb . gis
Quoting Michael :

> John Smith wrote:
> > I can host stuff like this, just email it to me off list.
>
> Thanks to John the plugins are now available in a more convenient location.
>
> The plugin for -latest is @
> http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/slippymap-latest.jar
>
> @ http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/slippymap-tested.jar you can find
> version 17822 that is compatible with -tested patched for the NearMap
> images. I only tested it long enough to see that it actually loads the
> images. You should be able to set the max zoom to 22 through the
> settings dialog, I think.

Seems to work for me.  Bit heavy on the memory though, 256M doesn't seem to be
enough for the heap size any more.  A relatively minor issue in this context.

Brendan



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Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin

2009-11-10 Thread John Smith
2009/11/11 Michael :
> PS: @John, maybe others are interested, too: I think I saw an in-memory
> cache mentioned in the code. So at least a few images are probably cached.

I realise it caches to memory, Brendan's email confirms it by needing
> 256M of ram to run.

I was hoping to be able to cache to hdd though, to reduce load on
nearmap's server if you need to re-request the same tiles, and doing
it this way may even reduce the memory needed since you only need to
store tiles in memory that are displayed on screen, rather than
holding unneeded tiles in memory.

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