Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

There are some sample letters available at

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission

I have sent one such email to the Tasmanian Government seeking permissions for 
any datasets on the Open Data Portal site. I will let you know what response I 
get. They may come back allowing only certain sets but I thought I may as well 
ask for the lot initially!

Cheers - Phil

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Harvey [mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2015 8:48 PM
To: Phil (The Geek) Wyatt
Cc: simon.coste...@ga.gov.au; kristy van putten; OSM Australian Talk List
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

I've also asked on legal-talk to try to find out what extra permissions on top 
of CC-BY are needed for potential inclusion in OSM at 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2015-May/008127.html

On 5 May 2015 at 20:37, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt  wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> If you have any specific legal questions re ODBL, the OpenStreetMap 
> Foundation's License Working Group can be reached at le...@osmfoundation.org 
> and will be glad to help.
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
> OSM mapper - tastrax
> Kiva Lender, Thin Green Line Supporter, Volunteer Mapper - Red Cross, 
> Wildcare Volunteer
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: simon.coste...@ga.gov.au [mailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2015 7:12 PM
> To: kristy.vanput...@gmail.com
> Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Thanks Kristy, I would support the idea of discerning the difference between 
> CCBY and ODBL.  THe intent of the open data policy is to make data useable 
> with minimal restriction, and ODBL seems to be an appropriate instrument for 
> handling this in database format.  CCBY seems ok for maps but not for 
> databases.
>
> I got in touch with OSM contributor Michael Cleary last week who was visiting 
> GA as part of the Power of Maps conference.  He outlined pretty well what he 
> sees the issues are viz ODBL vs CCBY4.0.  I am beginning to get a clearer 
> picture on what these issues are and am keen to get it resolved, but will 
> need continued feedback from the OSM community on this.
>
> This is also worth bringing up in the Foundation Spatial Data Framework 
> policy discussions which I am heavily involved in.  FSDF also needs to 
> consider the role of volunteered geographic information in the update of 
> national foundation spatial datasets - so there is even greater imperative to 
> have OSM involved in those discussions.  The use cases included in the email 
> trail are excellent examples of the need to get this sorted.
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
> Simon Costello
> Branch Head, National Location Information  |  EGD Management Environmental 
> Geoscience Division  |  GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA 
> 
> Phone:  +61 2 6249 9716Fax:  +61 2 6249 
> 
> Email:  simon.coste...@ga.gov.au<mailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au>Web:  
> www.ga.gov.au<http://www.ga.gov.au/>
> Cnr Jerrabomberra Avenue and Hindmarsh Drive Symonston ACT GPO Box 378 
> Canberra ACT 2601 Australia
> Applying geoscience to Australia’s most important challenges
>
>
>
> On 5 May 2015, at 5:00 pm, kristy van putten 
> mailto:kristy.vanput...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jason,
> This is a great tool!
> The majority of government is trying to move to an open license, with GA 
> leading in the geospatial front.  What we need to get our heads around is the 
> difference between CCBY 4.0 and ODBL.
> Community outreach programs would be great, or even potentially working with 
> spatial institutes such as SSSI to encourage OSM in schools.
> I will take a look at the import list and see whats happening around the 
> world - your right this might shed a light on potential assistance.  As 
> Andrew just pointed out access to imagery would also be very beneficial, I 
> will look into this a bit further and see what can be done there (specially 
> ACT to start with).
> I will start to contact the super users in ACT.
> Cheers
>
>
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2015 at 16:44 Jason Ward 
> mailto:jasonjwa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Kristy,
>
> Not a large userbase in the ACT and not all of them may subscribe to 
> this list.  To help you in your search the following link may prove 
> useful (Suggest unticking Black, Red and Orange users in the top left 
> corner for a closer measure of 'active' contributors)
>
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=11&lat=-35.29175&lon=149.1788
> 5&layers=B00FTT
>
> While I don't represent the contributors in ACT it would be g

Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Andrew Harvey]

I've also asked on legal-talk to try to find out what extra
permissions on top of CC-BY are needed for potential inclusion in OSM
at https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2015-May/008127.html

On 5 May 2015 at 20:37, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt  wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> If you have any specific legal questions re ODBL, the OpenStreetMap 
> Foundation's License Working Group can be reached at le...@osmfoundation.org 
> and will be glad to help.
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
> OSM mapper - tastrax
> Kiva Lender, Thin Green Line Supporter, Volunteer Mapper - Red Cross, 
> Wildcare Volunteer
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: simon.coste...@ga.gov.au [mailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2015 7:12 PM
> To: kristy.vanput...@gmail.com
> Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Thanks Kristy, I would support the idea of discerning the difference between 
> CCBY and ODBL.  THe intent of the open data policy is to make data useable 
> with minimal restriction, and ODBL seems to be an appropriate instrument for 
> handling this in database format.  CCBY seems ok for maps but not for 
> databases.
>
> I got in touch with OSM contributor Michael Cleary last week who was visiting 
> GA as part of the Power of Maps conference.  He outlined pretty well what he 
> sees the issues are viz ODBL vs CCBY4.0.  I am beginning to get a clearer 
> picture on what these issues are and am keen to get it resolved, but will 
> need continued feedback from the OSM community on this.
>
> This is also worth bringing up in the Foundation Spatial Data Framework 
> policy discussions which I am heavily involved in.  FSDF also needs to 
> consider the role of volunteered geographic information in the update of 
> national foundation spatial datasets - so there is even greater imperative to 
> have OSM involved in those discussions.  The use cases included in the email 
> trail are excellent examples of the need to get this sorted.
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
> Simon Costello
> Branch Head, National Location Information  |  EGD Management Environmental 
> Geoscience Division  |  GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA 
> 
> Phone:  +61 2 6249 9716Fax:  +61 2 6249 
> 
> Email:  simon.coste...@ga.gov.au<mailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au>Web:  
> www.ga.gov.au<http://www.ga.gov.au/>
> Cnr Jerrabomberra Avenue and Hindmarsh Drive Symonston ACT GPO Box 378 
> Canberra ACT 2601 Australia
> Applying geoscience to Australia’s most important challenges
>
>
>
> On 5 May 2015, at 5:00 pm, kristy van putten 
> mailto:kristy.vanput...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jason,
> This is a great tool!
> The majority of government is trying to move to an open license, with GA 
> leading in the geospatial front.  What we need to get our heads around is the 
> difference between CCBY 4.0 and ODBL.
> Community outreach programs would be great, or even potentially working with 
> spatial institutes such as SSSI to encourage OSM in schools.
> I will take a look at the import list and see whats happening around the 
> world - your right this might shed a light on potential assistance.  As 
> Andrew just pointed out access to imagery would also be very beneficial, I 
> will look into this a bit further and see what can be done there (specially 
> ACT to start with).
> I will start to contact the super users in ACT.
> Cheers
>
>
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2015 at 16:44 Jason Ward 
> mailto:jasonjwa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Kristy,
>
> Not a large userbase in the ACT and not all of them may subscribe to this 
> list.  To help you in your search the following link may prove useful 
> (Suggest unticking Black, Red and Orange users in the top left corner for a 
> closer measure of 'active' contributors)
>
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=11&lat=-35.29175&lon=149.17885&layers=B00FTT
>
> While I don't represent the contributors in ACT it would be great if (the 
> whole of) government was able to provide or make accessible data with 
> suitable licence clearances for use in OSM.  Despite that and noting the 
> small contributor count in the region maybe more 'useful' would be the 
> application of resources to help with the contribution of data OR some sort 
> of government advocacy/community growth initiative with the long game being 
> to build the local contributor base.
>
> To adapt a recent phrase from another list, OSM is a collection of 
> on-the-ground observations and while there is a place for supply of 
> government information, and notwithstanding your Indonesian HOT expe

Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

If you have any specific legal questions re ODBL, the OpenStreetMap 
Foundation's License Working Group can be reached at le...@osmfoundation.org 
and will be glad to help.


Cheers - Phil
OSM mapper - tastrax
Kiva Lender, Thin Green Line Supporter, Volunteer Mapper - Red Cross, Wildcare 
Volunteer



-Original Message-
From: simon.coste...@ga.gov.au [mailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2015 7:12 PM
To: kristy.vanput...@gmail.com
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Thanks Kristy, I would support the idea of discerning the difference between 
CCBY and ODBL.  THe intent of the open data policy is to make data useable with 
minimal restriction, and ODBL seems to be an appropriate instrument for 
handling this in database format.  CCBY seems ok for maps but not for databases.

I got in touch with OSM contributor Michael Cleary last week who was visiting 
GA as part of the Power of Maps conference.  He outlined pretty well what he 
sees the issues are viz ODBL vs CCBY4.0.  I am beginning to get a clearer 
picture on what these issues are and am keen to get it resolved, but will need 
continued feedback from the OSM community on this.

This is also worth bringing up in the Foundation Spatial Data Framework policy 
discussions which I am heavily involved in.  FSDF also needs to consider the 
role of volunteered geographic information in the update of national foundation 
spatial datasets - so there is even greater imperative to have OSM involved in 
those discussions.  The use cases included in the email trail are excellent 
examples of the need to get this sorted.

Thanks,
Simon

Simon Costello
Branch Head, National Location Information  |  EGD Management Environmental 
Geoscience Division  |  GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA 

Phone:  +61 2 6249 9716Fax:  +61 2 6249 

Email:  simon.coste...@ga.gov.au<mailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au>Web:  
www.ga.gov.au<http://www.ga.gov.au/>
Cnr Jerrabomberra Avenue and Hindmarsh Drive Symonston ACT GPO Box 378 Canberra 
ACT 2601 Australia
Applying geoscience to Australia’s most important challenges



On 5 May 2015, at 5:00 pm, kristy van putten 
mailto:kristy.vanput...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Jason,
This is a great tool!
The majority of government is trying to move to an open license, with GA 
leading in the geospatial front.  What we need to get our heads around is the 
difference between CCBY 4.0 and ODBL.
Community outreach programs would be great, or even potentially working with 
spatial institutes such as SSSI to encourage OSM in schools.
I will take a look at the import list and see whats happening around the world 
- your right this might shed a light on potential assistance.  As Andrew just 
pointed out access to imagery would also be very beneficial, I will look into 
this a bit further and see what can be done there (specially ACT to start with).
I will start to contact the super users in ACT.
Cheers



On Tue, 5 May 2015 at 16:44 Jason Ward 
mailto:jasonjwa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Kristy,

Not a large userbase in the ACT and not all of them may subscribe to this list. 
 To help you in your search the following link may prove useful (Suggest 
unticking Black, Red and Orange users in the top left corner for a closer 
measure of 'active' contributors)

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=11&lat=-35.29175&lon=149.17885&layers=B00FTT

While I don't represent the contributors in ACT it would be great if (the whole 
of) government was able to provide or make accessible data with suitable 
licence clearances for use in OSM.  Despite that and noting the small 
contributor count in the region maybe more 'useful' would be the application of 
resources to help with the contribution of data OR some sort of government 
advocacy/community growth initiative with the long game being to build the 
local contributor base.

To adapt a recent phrase from another list, OSM is a collection of 
on-the-ground observations and while there is a place for supply of government 
information, and notwithstanding your Indonesian HOT experience, your time 
would be well spent looking at some of the imports carried out in other parts 
of the world (some good, others less so), as well as subscribing to the 
@imports list (if you haven't done so) for a view into the workings OSM members 
apply to externally supplied information.


Cheers,

Jason
M: 0438740049

On 5 May 2015 at 16:11, Kristy Van Putten 
mailto:kristy.vanput...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
I am searching for active OSM contributors in ACT, if you are one please email 
me or contact me via my mobile.  I am interested to get your thoughts on the 
current state of OSM in ACT and if there is any aspect the government can 
assist in.
Cheers

Kristy Van Pu

Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Simon . Costello]

Thanks Kristy, I would support the idea of discerning the difference between 
CCBY and ODBL.  THe intent of the open data policy is to make data useable with 
minimal restriction, and ODBL seems to be an appropriate instrument for 
handling this in database format.  CCBY seems ok for maps but not for databases.

I got in touch with OSM contributor Michael Cleary last week who was visiting 
GA as part of the Power of Maps conference.  He outlined pretty well what he 
sees the issues are viz ODBL vs CCBY4.0.  I am beginning to get a clearer 
picture on what these issues are and am keen to get it resolved, but will need 
continued feedback from the OSM community on this.

This is also worth bringing up in the Foundation Spatial Data Framework policy 
discussions which I am heavily involved in.  FSDF also needs to consider the 
role of volunteered geographic information in the update of national foundation 
spatial datasets - so there is even greater imperative to have OSM involved in 
those discussions.  The use cases included in the email trail are excellent 
examples of the need to get this sorted.

Thanks,
Simon

Simon Costello
Branch Head, National Location Information  |  EGD Management
Environmental Geoscience Division  |  GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA

Phone:  +61 2 6249 9716Fax:  +61 2 6249 

Email:  simon.coste...@ga.gov.auWeb:  
www.ga.gov.au
Cnr Jerrabomberra Avenue and Hindmarsh Drive Symonston ACT
GPO Box 378 Canberra ACT 2601 Australia
Applying geoscience to Australia’s most important challenges



On 5 May 2015, at 5:00 pm, kristy van putten 
mailto:kristy.vanput...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Jason,
This is a great tool!
The majority of government is trying to move to an open license, with GA 
leading in the geospatial front.  What we need to get our heads around is the 
difference between CCBY 4.0 and ODBL.
Community outreach programs would be great, or even potentially working with 
spatial institutes such as SSSI to encourage OSM in schools.
I will take a look at the import list and see whats happening around the world 
- your right this might shed a light on potential assistance.  As Andrew just 
pointed out access to imagery would also be very beneficial, I will look into 
this a bit further and see what can be done there (specially ACT to start with).
I will start to contact the super users in ACT.
Cheers



On Tue, 5 May 2015 at 16:44 Jason Ward 
mailto:jasonjwa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Kristy,

Not a large userbase in the ACT and not all of them may subscribe to this list. 
 To help you in your search the following link may prove useful (Suggest 
unticking Black, Red and Orange users in the top left corner for a closer 
measure of 'active' contributors)

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=11&lat=-35.29175&lon=149.17885&layers=B00FTT

While I don't represent the contributors in ACT it would be great if (the whole 
of) government was able to provide or make accessible data with suitable 
licence clearances for use in OSM.  Despite that and noting the small 
contributor count in the region maybe more 'useful' would be the application of 
resources to help with the contribution of data OR some sort of government 
advocacy/community growth initiative with the long game being to build the 
local contributor base.

To adapt a recent phrase from another list, OSM is a collection of 
on-the-ground observations and while there is a place for supply of government 
information, and notwithstanding your Indonesian HOT experience, your time 
would be well spent looking at some of the imports carried out in other parts 
of the world (some good, others less so), as well as subscribing to the 
@imports list (if you haven't done so) for a view into the workings OSM members 
apply to externally supplied information.


Cheers,

Jason
M: 0438740049

On 5 May 2015 at 16:11, Kristy Van Putten 
mailto:kristy.vanput...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
I am searching for active OSM contributors in ACT, if you are one please email 
me or contact me via my mobile.  I am interested to get your thoughts on the 
current state of OSM in ACT and if there is any aspect the government can 
assist in.
Cheers

Kristy Van Putten
kristy.vanput...@gmail.com
0414844825



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