Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries
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On Saturday, October 12, 2013, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
Did the bits to produce .osm files (again on github); suitable to open up
and view in JOSM.
I spot checked two areas near me that I know well, and the accuracy is
pretty high.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/241675341
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/241667279
I guess this discussion probably does want to head over to the imports
list shortly.
Any volunteers to help write up a fairly complete plan? I really don't
fancy doing ~3000 suburb boundaries one by one in JOSM and checking them
all myself; on top of doing all of the writeups/status updates/etc.
Also, I have overseas travel in the coming weeks; so am likely to vanish
half way through the conversation unless there's at least one other mapper
with ownership.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Plan_Outline
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Daniel O'Connor
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I did look through a few of the existing tools; but most fell into the
too hard basket. In the end, manually doing it via QGIS and exporting into
the right projection was fairly easy.
I've pushed to github what I've done; which is produce geojson kml
serializations of it - I had assumed geojson.io would let me export
easily to OSM, but unfortunately that's not the case.
Example:
https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.sa.gov.au-suburb-boundaries/blob/master/suburbs/suburbs_0.geojson
Repo:
https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.sa.gov.au-suburb-boundaries/
Anyway, I'm more or less going to stop there, unless someone wants to do
a quick bit of geojson - osm; with the appropriate tagging and shoot in a
pull request or two - I'll let others shepard it through the import process
and de-duplication.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Andrew Harvey
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There are numerous tools for converting from shapefiles to .osm. Both
shp-to-osm and ogr2osm work and you can find more info on the wiki.
ogr2ogr v1.10 can also do it I believe.
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Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries
I did look through a few of the existing tools; but most fell into the too hard basket. In the end, manually doing it via QGIS and exporting into the right projection was fairly easy. I've pushed to github what I've done; which is produce geojson kml serializations of it - I had assumed geojson.io would let me export easily to OSM, but unfortunately that's not the case. Example: https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.sa.gov.au-suburb-boundaries/blob/master/suburbs/suburbs_0.geojson Repo: https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.sa.gov.au-suburb-boundaries/ Anyway, I'm more or less going to stop there, unless someone wants to do a quick bit of geojson - osm; with the appropriate tagging and shoot in a pull request or two - I'll let others shepard it through the import process and de-duplication. On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.comwrote: On 6 October 2013 18:25, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: There are numerous tools for converting from shapefiles to .osm. Both shp-to-osm and ogr2osm work and you can find more info on the wiki. ogr2ogr v1.10 can also do it I believe. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries
Gentlemen, It is important to note that the ABS data, if I understand correctly, is not a reflection of the geometry of the suburb or locality, but rather a merging of the mesh block geometry that approximates the suburb/locality. It will be best to use the suburb data from this department to give the exact representation. Call me if you want to discuss this further. Bill Watt Manager, Roads and Crown Support Section Land Services Group Department of Planning, Transport and Infrastructure GPO Box 1354, Adelaide SA 5001 Telephone (08) 8204 8522 Facsimile (08) 8204 8544 Mobile 0401 122 521 E-mail: william.w...@sa.gov.aumailto:william.w...@sa.gov.au Internet: http://www.landservices.sa.gov.au From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013 9:52 PM To: Tony Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Watt, William (DPTI) Subject: Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries Re licensing, you are good to go - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission The activity log (http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/activity/suburb-boundaries) suggests it has been updated a few times, where the ABS data is likely fixed at a point in time. Can't hurt to ask the publisher/maintainer - Bill Watt, who I've just CC'd here - about the differences between this and ABS data. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Tony theoneintrain...@gmail.commailto:theoneintrain...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone have any issue with using this suburb boundary shape file for SA http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries a couple of notes; 1. this is not the same data as the ABS (see the .mht in the zip) 2. the shape file is released under CC license Once I learn how to upload a shape file I will do it ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries
On 1 September 2013 09:34, Tony theoneintrain...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone have any issue with using this suburb boundary shape file for SA http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries ... Once I learn how to upload a shape file I will do it An import of this magnitude will obviously be considerably more complicated that just the conversion/uploading. You'll see some of the issues mentioned on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import, and also discussed on the imports mailing list. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/ Perhaps you could start with a bit of a plan as to how you're going to handle overlaps and existing suburbs, coastline and river boundaries, etc. Then we can review the plan, and may be able to help with suggestions and some aspects of the conversion. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries
@ Daniel, I can not upload this shape file because I do not have the permissions to do so (and I don't even know how), there are strict guidelines witch need to be completed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines it's more of a formal process. I don't know what to do from here. I was talk to some experts on the #osm IRC channel and it is way over my head. So, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Shapefile#JOSM is the hol for look at shapefile, get 1-2 polygon from it and upload it If you do *one boundry* at a time, manually, and check, there's less of a concern re automated imports. If you do hundreds, yeah, that'll incur frowning. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 September 2013 09:34, Tony theoneintrain...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone have any issue with using this suburb boundary shape file for SA http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries ... Once I learn how to upload a shape file I will do it An import of this magnitude will obviously be considerably more complicated that just the conversion/uploading. You'll see some of the issues mentioned on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import, and also discussed on the imports mailing list. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/ Perhaps you could start with a bit of a plan as to how you're going to handle overlaps and existing suburbs, coastline and river boundaries, etc. Then we can review the plan, and may be able to help with suggestions and some aspects of the conversion. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries
Re licensing, you are good to go - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission The activity log (http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/activity/suburb-boundaries) suggests it has been updated a few times, where the ABS data is likely fixed at a point in time. Can't hurt to ask the publisher/maintainer - Bill Watt, who I've just CC'd here - about the differences between this and ABS data. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Tony theoneintrain...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone have any issue with using this suburb boundary shape file for SA http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries a couple of notes; 1. this is not the same data as the ABS (see the .mht in the zip) 2. the shape file is released under CC license Once I learn how to upload a shape file I will do it ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries
does anyone have any issue with using this suburb boundary shape file for SA http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries a couple of notes; 1. this is not the same data as the ABS (see the .mht in the zip) 2. the shape file is released under CC license Once I learn how to upload a shape file I will do it ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
