Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Liz]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Nick Hocking wrote:
> "I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is
> paying
> me to drive that way again."
> 
> Thanks Liz, that'd be great.
> 
> I'll bet a virtual $5.00 that there will still be no signposts but maybe
> you can find some corroborating evidence that I've missed.
> For some reason the two down near the river ( maybe-Warrambaluah and
> maybe-riley) have always irked me to be still unamed in OSM.
No signs for the two streets by the river or the street by the Country Energy 
Depot
Maybe I'll have to go into the Council Office, which it seems I haven't mapped 
either
I found new street(s) off Grand Junction Road
took a photo of the clear sign 
and have a clear photo of the dirt on the car side window instead.
A trawl of the real estate sites hasn't provided the street name so I'll try 
Council minutes next

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Liz]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote:
> The only places I've seen signs vandalised are usually in residential
> locations, Hoylen and myself spotted one the other day during the
> mapping party...
Because our Council uses surnames of people to name the roads, others with the 
same surname steal them. My road has no roadsigns at present - all disappeared 
the same night.

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[John Smith]

On 20 July 2010 22:57, Richard Weait  wrote:
> Asking a local is one option.  I go with, "I'm so lost.  Can you tell
> me what street this is?"

That only works if there is someone to ask...

> Visiting a business and asking for a business card is another option.
> Business cards generally include addresses.

The only places I've seen signs vandalised are usually in residential
locations, Hoylen and myself spotted one the other day during the
mapping party...

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Richard Weait]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:24 AM, John Smith  wrote:
> On 20 July 2010 16:10, Steve Bennett  wrote:
>> Why not use:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noname
>
> I was told in the UK they have streets that aren't named, where as in
> Australia all streets do have names, I sent an email to this list some
> time ago asking for suggestions on what to do in the situation of a
> lack of street signs... Still waiting on some discussion, in the end I
> just updated the Aussie tagging guidelines based on what some other
> mappers were doing:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#How_can_I_tag_streets_with_missing_signs.2Fno_names.3F

Asking a local is one option.  I go with, "I'm so lost.  Can you tell
me what street this is?"

Visiting a business and asking for a business card is another option.
Business cards generally include addresses.

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[John Smith]

On 20 July 2010 16:10, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> Why not use:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noname

I was told in the UK they have streets that aren't named, where as in
Australia all streets do have names, I sent an email to this list some
time ago asking for suggestions on what to do in the situation of a
lack of street signs... Still waiting on some discussion, in the end I
just updated the Aussie tagging guidelines based on what some other
mappers were doing:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#How_can_I_tag_streets_with_missing_signs.2Fno_names.3F

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Steve Bennett]

Why not use:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noname

Steve

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> "I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is
> paying
> me to drive that way again."
>
> Thanks Liz, that'd be great.
>
> I'll bet a virtual $5.00 that there will still be no signposts but maybe you
> can find some corroborating evidence that I've missed.
> For some reason the two down near the river ( maybe-Warrambaluah and
> maybe-riley) have always irked me to be still unamed in OSM.
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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Steve Bennett]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:40 AM, John Smith  wrote:
> I made a noname overlay style and it should be a lot more up to date
> as the server should* be expiring tiles in real time:
>
> http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=8&ll=-35.255,149.163&layer=BFTF

Nice. Perhaps you could add an "edit map here" link?

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Liz]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Nick Hocking wrote:
> "I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is
> paying
> me to drive that way again."
> 
> Thanks Liz, that'd be great.
> 
> I'll bet a virtual $5.00 that there will still be no signposts but maybe
> you can find some corroborating evidence that I've missed.
> For some reason the two down near the river ( maybe-Warrambaluah and
> maybe-riley) have always irked me to be still unamed in OSM.
i'd better check where i am supposed to be checking , then :)


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[talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Nick Hocking]

"I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is
paying
me to drive that way again."

Thanks Liz, that'd be great.

I'll bet a virtual $5.00 that there will still be no signposts but maybe you
can find some corroborating evidence that I've missed.
For some reason the two down near the river ( maybe-Warrambaluah and
maybe-riley) have always irked me to be still unamed in OSM.
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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Liz]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Nick Hocking wrote:
> "Streets without names are highlighted in red. I only see about 3 for
> Yass, and 1 in Gundaroo."
> 
> Thanks Steve.
> 
> The last 3 or 4 times I've checked Yass, those 3 have had no street signs
> and there were no other indications of what name they were. Still it's been
> a few months since I drove out to Yass so maybe it's due up again, just in
> case thay decide to signpost the streets nicely.
> I'm pretty sure that when I tagged Gundaroo, that one street also didn;t
> have a sign post.  I know what all these streets should be called but
> untill there is some indication on the street itself, I'm not about to
> infringe copyright by copying them in.
> 
> However there is one new street in Bungendore (opposite O'Neil Place)  that
> should have a sign post by now.  I'll check it on Thursday.
> 
> Nick
I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is paying 
me to drive that way again.

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[talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Nick Hocking]

"Streets without names are highlighted in red. I only see about 3 for
Yass, and 1 in Gundaroo."

Thanks Steve.

The last 3 or 4 times I've checked Yass, those 3 have had no street signs
and there were no other indications of what name they were. Still it's been
a few months since I drove out to Yass so maybe it's due up again, just in
case thay decide to signpost the streets nicely.
I'm pretty sure that when I tagged Gundaroo, that one street also didn;t
have a sign post.  I know what all these streets should be called but untill
there is some indication on the street itself, I'm not about to infringe
copyright by copying them in.

However there is one new street in Bungendore (opposite O'Neil Place)  that
should have a sign post by now.  I'll check it on Thursday.

Nick
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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[John Smith]

On 20 July 2010 08:58, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> FYI, a simpler method:
> - navigate to town on openstreetmap.org
> - select "noname" from the + menu on the right

Some people complained that the cloudmade noname layer can be horribly
out of date, basically they cache a tile and don't refresh them very
often.

I made a noname overlay style and it should be a lot more up to date
as the server should* be expiring tiles in real time:

http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=8&ll=-35.255,149.163&layer=BFTF

* I think the expire code currently has a bug and isn't expiring tiles
properly, I posted a note to the dev list but no one replied, not sure
if this means they know or not...

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Peter Ross]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Peter Ross  wrote:
>> I should be more specific, I looked at town on the hume on the way to 
>> canberra
>>
>> Using 
>>  * Yass
>>  * Goulbourn
>>  * Murumbateman
>>  * Gundaroo
>>
>> It's quite simple to check towns yourself.
>
> FYI, a simpler method:
> - navigate to town on openstreetmap.org
> - select "noname" from the + menu on the right
>
> Streets without names are highlighted in red. I only see about 3 for
> Yass, and 1 in Gundaroo.
>
Thanks for this information Steve.

I obviously didn't zoom in far enough, google was displaying the
names, but not openstreetmap.

My apologies.

Pete

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Steve Bennett]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Peter Ross  wrote:
> I should be more specific, I looked at town on the hume on the way to canberra
>
> Using 
>  * Yass
>  * Goulbourn
>  * Murumbateman
>  * Gundaroo
>
> It's quite simple to check towns yourself.

FYI, a simpler method:
- navigate to town on openstreetmap.org
- select "noname" from the + menu on the right

Streets without names are highlighted in red. I only see about 3 for
Yass, and 1 in Gundaroo.

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Peter Ross]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> "My quick scan of towns near canberra shows that they have the streets,
> but no street names."
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Which towns near Canberra have unamed streets? This is a situation that I
> would like
> to correct as soon as possible.
>
I should be more specific, I looked at town on the hume on the way to canberra

Using 
  * Yass
  * Goulbourn
  * Murumbateman
  * Gundaroo

It's quite simple to check towns yourself.

Navigate to http://sautter.com/map

Navigate to area you want to check.

Move the slider to the far left, to only see google maps.

Locate a town.

Zoom in on it.

Move the slider to the right to see if openstreetmap has the streets
and if the streets have names.

Hope this helps,
Pete

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[talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Nick Hocking]

"My quick scan of towns near canberra shows that they have the streets,
but no street names."

Hi Peter,

Which towns near Canberra have unamed streets? This is a situation that I
would like
to correct as soon as possible.

Cheers
Nick
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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Babstar]

>
> Hi Franc,

  I think I have filled most of the holes between
Campbelltown, & Goulburn on the Hume Highway & secondary roads.   You may
want to look closely at Sautter to find missing pieces to the South of
Goulburn, back of lake George Bungendore, Lake Bathurst, or alternatively
around Gunning & any alternate routes / country lanes to the north of
Canberra and around the Hume Highway.

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Peter Ross]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Franc Carter wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm planning a Sydney Canberra trip this weekend and will be able to make at 
> least one direction a full day trip and do some mapping.
>
> So, does anyone have a suggestion for an unmapped own that is on the way(ish) 
> ?
>
You can use http://sautter.com/map/ to compare google maps with
openstreetmap.  This is one way to find areas which need mapping.  My
quick scan of towns near canberra shows that they have the streets,
but no street names. So one possibility is to collect all the street
names in a town on the way.

A personal favourite is to find a nice walk, and map that.  I
personally find mapping things like that the most rewarding, as I know
that information isn't already available on google.

Enjoy your road trip.

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[talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

[Franc Carter]

Hi,
I'm planning a Sydney Canberra trip this weekend and will be able to make at
least one direction a full day trip and do some mapping.

So, does anyone have a suggestion for an unmapped own that is on the
way(ish) ?

cheers

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