Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Luke Stewart]

It would still meet the criteria of an "intersection" under rules 40 and 41
hence making it legal

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 10:34, Anthony Panozzo  wrote:

> That picture is about an intersection not a T-intersection lmao
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dian Ågesson 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:59 AM
> *To: *Anthony Panozzo 
> *Cc: *Luke Stewart ;
> talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
>
>
> Below is a picture from the South Australian Road Rules. It shows the
> correct procedure for a u-turn there would be exactly from that point of
> view and back, including a small section of a "one-way" road.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/Wn6jx8h
>
> As the others earlier have mentioned, I would encourage you to take a
> moment to take a step back and consider these points, as this type of rapid
> fire back-and-forth is not particularly efficient.
>
> Would you also be able to provide some details about how the routing is
> being tested? It would really help identify down-stream data consumers that
> may be interpreting OSM data differently than expected.
>
>
>
> Dian
>
>
>
> On 2022-05-03 10:28, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
>
> No it is not because the road in front of the POV car in a one way road
> which is not allowed, it would even need you to drive for a little bit
> going the wrong way lmao.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Luke Stewart 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:52 AM
> *To: *Anthony Panozzo 
> *Cc: *Dian Ågesson ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
> It is also acceptable from the point of view of the camera as stated in
> the Road Rules.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 10:18, Anthony Panozzo  wrote:
>
> Yes at the median is fine, but not from where the point of view of that
> picture is. TheSwavu has allowed u-turns starting from exactly the point of
> view of that picture and back
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Luke Stewart 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:28 AM
> *To: *Anthony Panozzo 
> *Cc: *Dian Ågesson ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
> The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385=-34.72009104=138.66975917=17=photo
> would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the
> mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns in
> median breaks.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo  wrote:
>
> You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dian Ågesson 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
> *To: *Anthony Panozzo 
> *Cc: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
> Anthony,
>
> This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to
> be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons
> without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits
>
> Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as
> I have not reviewed them all.
>
> However, every edit that you've referred to in this mail chain as being
> "wrong" hasn't had any issues. We've covered:
>
> - Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)
>
> - remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)
>
> - adding a u turn using a way as a "via" member (valid)
>
> And you have now raised a different type of problem,
>
> - Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights.
>
> On the latter point, I quote
>
>
> https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf
>
> A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights *if
> there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection*"
>
> Note 2—
> U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there
> is a no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the
> driver must or may turn right—see rule 92.
>
> this is now the fourth type of error which isn't actually wrong.
>
> If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am
> unable to identify a problem in the edits you've raised.
>
> Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before
> responding with another flurry of emails.
>
> dian
>
>
> On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Anthony Panozzo]

That picture is about an intersection not a T-intersection lmao



From: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:59 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: Luke Stewart<mailto:suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com>; 
talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13


Hi Anthony,



Below is a picture from the South Australian Road Rules. It shows the correct 
procedure for a u-turn there would be exactly from that point of view and back, 
including a small section of a "one-way" road.

https://imgur.com/a/Wn6jx8h

As the others earlier have mentioned, I would encourage you to take a moment to 
take a step back and consider these points, as this type of rapid fire 
back-and-forth is not particularly efficient.

Would you also be able to provide some details about how the routing is being 
tested? It would really help identify down-stream data consumers that may be 
interpreting OSM data differently than expected.



Dian



On 2022-05-03 10:28, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

No it is not because the road in front of the POV car in a one way road which 
is not allowed, it would even need you to drive for a little bit going the 
wrong way lmao.







From: Luke Stewart<mailto:suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:52 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>; 
talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13



It is also acceptable from the point of view of the camera as stated in the 
Road Rules.



On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 10:18, Anthony Panozzo 
mailto:pan...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Yes at the median is fine, but not from where the point of view of that picture 
is. TheSwavu has allowed u-turns starting from exactly the point of view of 
that picture and back









From: Luke Stewart<mailto:suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:28 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>; 
talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13



The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights 
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385=-34.72009104=138.66975917=17=photo
 would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the 
mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns in 
median breaks.



On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo 
mailto:pan...@outlook.com>> wrote:

You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road







From: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13



Anthony,

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits

Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as I 
have not reviewed them all.

However, every edit that you've referred to in this mail chain as being "wrong" 
hasn't had any issues. We've covered:

- Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)

- remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)

- adding a u turn using a way as a "via" member (valid)

And you have now raised a different type of problem,

- Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights.

On the latter point, I quote

https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf

A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights if 
there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection"

Note 2—
U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there is a 
no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the driver must 
or may turn right—see rule 92.

this is now the fourth type of error which isn't actually wrong.

If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am unable 
to identify a problem in the edits you've raised.

Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before 
responding with another flurry of emails.

dian

On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits







From: 
talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-a

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Dian Ågesson]

Hi Anthony,

Below is a picture from the South Australian Road Rules. It shows the 
correct procedure for a u-turn there would be exactly from that point of 
view and back, including a small section of a "one-way" road.


https://imgur.com/a/Wn6jx8h

As the others earlier have mentioned, I would encourage you to take a 
moment to take a step back and consider these points, as this type of 
rapid fire back-and-forth is not particularly efficient.


Would you also be able to provide some details about how the routing is 
being tested? It would really help identify down-stream data consumers 
that may be interpreting OSM data differently than expected.


Dian

On 2022-05-03 10:28, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

No it is not because the road in front of the POV car in a one way road 
which is not allowed, it would even need you to drive for a little bit 
going the wrong way lmao.


From: Luke Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:52 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo
Cc: Dian Ågesson; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

It is also acceptable from the point of view of the camera as stated in 
the Road Rules.


On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 10:18, Anthony Panozzo  
wrote:


Yes at the median is fine, but not from where the point of view of that 
picture is. TheSwavu has allowed u-turns starting from exactly the 
point of view of that picture and back


From: Luke Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:28 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo
Cc: Dian Ågesson; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights 
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385=-34.72009104=138.66975917=17=photo 
would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the 
mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns 
in median breaks.


On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo  
wrote:


You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way 
road


From: Dian Ågesson
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

Anthony,

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just 
to be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the 
buttons without question and you are happy to defend every single one 
of his edits


Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, 
as I have not reviewed them all.


However, every edit that you've referred to in this mail chain as being 
"wrong" hasn't had any issues. We've covered:


- Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)

- remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)

- adding a u turn using a way as a "via" member (valid)

And you have now raised a different type of problem,

- Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic 
lights.


On the latter point, I quote

https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf

A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic 
lights if there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection"


Note 2--
U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless 
there is a no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate 
that the driver must or may turn right--see rule 92.


this is now the fourth type of error which isn't actually wrong.

If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am 
unable to identify a problem in the edits you've raised.


Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised 
before responding with another flurry of emails.


dian

On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just 
to be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the 
buttons without question and you are happy to defend every single one 
of his edits


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To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:44:40 +
From: Anthony Panozzo 
To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, I

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Anthony Panozzo]

No it is not because the road in front of the POV car in a one way road which 
is not allowed, it would even need you to drive for a little bit going the 
wrong way lmao.



From: Luke Stewart<mailto:suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:52 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>; 
talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

It is also acceptable from the point of view of the camera as stated in the 
Road Rules.

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 10:18, Anthony Panozzo 
mailto:pan...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Yes at the median is fine, but not from where the point of view of that picture 
is. TheSwavu has allowed u-turns starting from exactly the point of view of 
that picture and back




From: Luke Stewart<mailto:suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:28 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>; 
talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights 
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385=-34.72009104=138.66975917=17=photo
 would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the 
mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns in 
median breaks.

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo 
mailto:pan...@outlook.com>> wrote:
You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road



From: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13


Anthony,

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits

Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as I 
have not reviewed them all.

However, every edit that you’ve referred to in this mail chain as being “wrong” 
hasn’t had any issues. We’ve covered:

- Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)

- remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)

- adding a u turn using a way as a “via” member (valid)

And you have now raised a different type of problem,

- Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights.

On the latter point, I quote

https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf

A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights if 
there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection"

Note 2—
U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there is a 
no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the driver must 
or may turn right—see rule 92.

this is now the fourth type of error which isn’t actually wrong.

If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am unable 
to identify a problem in the edits you’ve raised.

Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before 
responding with another flurry of emails.

dian

On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits







From: 
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Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:16 AM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13



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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:44:40 +
From: Anthony Panozzo mailto:pan...@outlook.com>>
To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org<m

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Luke Stewart]

It is also acceptable from the point of view of the camera as stated in the
Road Rules.

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 10:18, Anthony Panozzo  wrote:

> Yes at the median is fine, but not from where the point of view of that
> picture is. TheSwavu has allowed u-turns starting from exactly the point of
> view of that picture and back
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Luke Stewart 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:28 AM
> *To: *Anthony Panozzo 
> *Cc: *Dian Ågesson ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
> The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385=-34.72009104=138.66975917=17=photo
> would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the
> mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns in
> median breaks.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo  wrote:
>
> You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dian Ågesson 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
> *To: *Anthony Panozzo 
> *Cc: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
> Anthony,
>
> This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to
> be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons
> without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits
>
> Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as
> I have not reviewed them all.
>
> However, every edit that you’ve referred to in this mail chain as being
> “wrong” hasn’t had any issues. We’ve covered:
>
> - Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)
>
> - remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)
>
> - adding a u turn using a way as a “via” member (valid)
>
> And you have now raised a different type of problem,
>
> - Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights.
>
> On the latter point, I quote
>
>
> https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf
>
> A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights *if
> there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection*"
>
> Note 2—
> U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there
> is a no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the
> driver must or may turn right—see rule 92.
>
> this is now the fourth type of error which isn’t actually wrong.
>
> If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am
> unable to identify a problem in the edits you’ve raised.
>
> Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before
> responding with another flurry of emails.
>
> dian
>
>
> On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
>
> This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to
> be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons
> without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:16 AM
> *To: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
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> Today's Topics:
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>1. Re: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12 (Anthony Panozzo)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:44:40 +
> From: Anthony Panozzo 
> To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" 
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12
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> You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is
> with this edit. The
> road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
> median at an 

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Anthony Panozzo]

Yes at the median is fine, but not from where the point of view of that picture 
is. TheSwavu has allowed u-turns starting from exactly the point of view of 
that picture and back




From: Luke Stewart<mailto:suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:28 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>; 
talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights 
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385=-34.72009104=138.66975917=17=photo
 would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the 
mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns in 
median breaks.

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo 
mailto:pan...@outlook.com>> wrote:
You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road



From: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13


Anthony,

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits

Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as I 
have not reviewed them all.

However, every edit that you’ve referred to in this mail chain as being “wrong” 
hasn’t had any issues. We’ve covered:

- Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)

- remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)

- adding a u turn using a way as a “via” member (valid)

And you have now raised a different type of problem,

- Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights.

On the latter point, I quote

https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf

A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights if 
there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection"

Note 2—
U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there is a 
no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the driver must 
or may turn right—see rule 92.

this is now the fourth type of error which isn’t actually wrong.

If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am unable 
to identify a problem in the edits you’ve raised.

Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before 
responding with another flurry of emails.

dian

On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits







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mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>>
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mailto:pr3p192mb092730c19a6c808662675473cc...@pr3p192mb0927.eurp192.prod.outlook.com>>

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You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with 
this edit. The
road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or
traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if there is 
a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the understanding to be able to 
bl

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Luke Stewart]

The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385=-34.72009104=138.66975917=17=photo
would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the
mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns in
median breaks.

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo  wrote:

> You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dian Ågesson 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
> *To: *Anthony Panozzo 
> *Cc: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
> Anthony,
>
> This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to
> be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons
> without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits
>
> Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as
> I have not reviewed them all.
>
> However, every edit that you’ve referred to in this mail chain as being
> “wrong” hasn’t had any issues. We’ve covered:
>
> - Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)
>
> - remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)
>
> - adding a u turn using a way as a “via” member (valid)
>
> And you have now raised a different type of problem,
>
> - Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights.
>
> On the latter point, I quote
>
>
> https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf
>
> A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights *if
> there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection*"
>
> Note 2—
> U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there
> is a no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the
> driver must or may turn right—see rule 92.
>
> this is now the fourth type of error which isn’t actually wrong.
>
> If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am
> unable to identify a problem in the edits you’ve raised.
>
> Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before
> responding with another flurry of emails.
>
> dian
>
>
> On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
>
> This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to
> be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons
> without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:16 AM
> *To: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
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>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:44:40 +
> From: Anthony Panozzo 
> To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" 
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12
> Message-ID:
> <
> pr3p192mb092730c19a6c808662675473cc...@pr3p192mb0927.eurp192.prod.outlook.com
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is
> with this edit. The
> road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
> median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or
> traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if
> there is a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the understanding
> to be able to blindly click buttons from this state,ent alone, and yet
> people will come to your defence lmao
>
>
>
> From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:10 AM
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Anthony Panozzo]

You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road



From: Dian Ågesson<mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com>
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13


Anthony,

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits

Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as I 
have not reviewed them all.

However, every edit that you’ve referred to in this mail chain as being “wrong” 
hasn’t had any issues. We’ve covered:

- Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)

- remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)

- adding a u turn using a way as a “via” member (valid)

And you have now raised a different type of problem,

- Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights.

On the latter point, I quote

https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf

A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights if 
there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection"

Note 2—
U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there is a 
no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the driver must 
or may turn right—see rule 92.

this is now the fourth type of error which isn’t actually wrong.

If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am unable 
to identify a problem in the edits you’ve raised.

Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before 
responding with another flurry of emails.

dian

On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits







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To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with 
this edit. The
road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or
traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if there is 
a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the understanding to be able to 
blindly click buttons from this state,ent alone, and yet people will come to 
your defence lmao



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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:33:00 +1000
From: Andrew Davidson 
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re:
Talk-a

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Dian Ågesson]

Anthony,

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just 
to be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the 
buttons without question and you are happy to defend every single one 
of his edits


Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, 
as I have not reviewed them all.


However, every edit that you've referred to in this mail chain as being 
"wrong" hasn't had any issues. We've covered:


- Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)

- remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)

- adding a u turn using a way as a "via" member (valid)

And you have now raised a different type of problem,

- Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic 
lights.


On the latter point, I quote

https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf

A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic 
lights if there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection"


Note 2--
U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless 
there is a no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate 
that the driver must or may turn right--see rule 92.


this is now the fourth type of error which isn't actually wrong.

If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am 
unable to identify a problem in the edits you've raised.


Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before 
responding with another flurry of emails.


dian

On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just 
to be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the 
buttons without question and you are happy to defend every single one 
of his edits


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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is 
with this edit. The
road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end 
of a
median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it 
or
traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if 
there is a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the 
understanding to be able to blindly click buttons from this state,ent 
alone, and yet people will come to your defence lmao


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Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:33:00 +1000
From: Andrew Davidson 
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re:
Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6)
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On 3/5/22 08:18, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling 
me

it is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections


Gmail will send an email to both the mail list and the original sender
by default on reply. You will have noticed the list email address in 
the

CC:. Or maybe you didn't notice?

By the way, the link you sent me off-list:

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Luke Stewart]

"Note 2— *U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights*
unless there is a no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate
that the driver must or may turn right—see rule 92"

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 08:59, Luke Stewart 
wrote:

> From *legislation.sa.gov.au *:
>
> 40: " A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection with traffic
> lights unless there is a U-turn permitted sign at the intersection."
>
> 41: " A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic
> lights *if there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection*"
>
> In this case, it would be the same as NSW where you can make a U-turn at a
> median break provided there is no sign against it, and there is a right
> turn arrow (or no arrow) on the ground.
>
> You'll also find that the way you are replying to emails is incorrect, and
> has created several different threads:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-May/thread.html
>
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 08:52, Anthony Panozzo  wrote:
>
>> This user is telling me I don’t even know the road rules LMAO, and just
>> to be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the
>> buttons without question and you are happy to defend every single one of
>> his edits
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:16 AM
>> *To: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject: *Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:44:40 +
>> From: Anthony Panozzo 
>> To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" 
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12
>> Message-ID:
>> <
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>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>> You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is
>> with this edit. The
>> road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
>> median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or
>> traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if
>> there is a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the understanding
>> to be able to blindly click buttons from this state,ent alone, and yet
>> people will come to your defence lmao
>>
>>
>>
>> From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org> talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:10 AM
>> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12
>>
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>>
>>1. Re: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest,
>>   Vol 179, Issue 6) (Andrew Davidson)
>>2. TheSwavu (Anthony Panozzo)
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:33:00 +1000
>> From: Andrew Davidson 
>> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re:
>> Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6)
>> Message-ID: <80784b78-0628-85f3-f104-1f10b652d...@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> On 3/5/22 08:18, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
>> > Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me
>> > it is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections
>>
>> Gmail will send an email to both the mail list and the original sender
>> by default on reply. You will have noticed the list email address in the
>> CC:. Or maybe you didn't notice?
>>
>> By the way, the link you sent me off-list:
>>
>> https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/
>>
>> says exactly the same thing I was trying to explain to you. Perhaps this
>> 

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Luke Stewart]

>From *legislation.sa.gov.au *:

40: " A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection with traffic
lights unless there is a U-turn permitted sign at the intersection."

41: " A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic
lights *if there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection*"

In this case, it would be the same as NSW where you can make a U-turn at a
median break provided there is no sign against it, and there is a right
turn arrow (or no arrow) on the ground.

You'll also find that the way you are replying to emails is incorrect, and
has created several different threads:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-May/thread.html

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 08:52, Anthony Panozzo  wrote:

> This user is telling me I don’t even know the road rules LMAO, and just to
> be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons
> without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:16 AM
> *To: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
>
>
>
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>1. Re: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12 (Anthony Panozzo)
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> You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is
> with this edit. The
> road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
> median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or
> traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if
> there is a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the understanding
> to be able to blindly click buttons from this state,ent alone, and yet
> people will come to your defence lmao
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>1. Re: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest,
>   Vol 179, Issue 6) (Andrew Davidson)
>2. TheSwavu (Anthony Panozzo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:33:00 +1000
> From: Andrew Davidson 
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> Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re:
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> On 3/5/22 08:18, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
> > Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me
> > it is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections
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> Gmail will send an email to both the mail list and the original sender
> by default on reply. You will have noticed the list email address in the
> CC:. Or maybe you didn't notice?
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> By the way, the link you sent me off-list:
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> https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/
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> says exactly the same thing I was trying to explain to you. Perhaps this
> video might make it clearer:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0SzfStP1nE
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13

[Anthony Panozzo]

This user is telling me I don’t even know the road rules LMAO, and just to be 
clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons 
without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits



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You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with 
this edit. The
road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or
traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if there is 
a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the understanding to be able to 
blindly click buttons from this state,ent alone, and yet people will come to 
your defence lmao



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   1. Re: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest,
  Vol 179, Issue 6) (Andrew Davidson)
   2. TheSwavu (Anthony Panozzo)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:33:00 +1000
From: Andrew Davidson 
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re:
Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6)
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On 3/5/22 08:18, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
> Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me
> it is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections

Gmail will send an email to both the mail list and the original sender
by default on reply. You will have noticed the list email address in the
CC:. Or maybe you didn't notice?

By the way, the link you sent me off-list:

https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/

says exactly the same thing I was trying to explain to you. Perhaps this
video might make it clearer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0SzfStP1nE



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Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:38:42 +
From: Anthony Panozzo 
To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: [talk-au] TheSwavu
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By directly emailing me he trying to mess up the way au-talk is formatting, no 
one here gets to see what he is emailing me, he has no clue about the 
laws/rules or the areas, this is a joke



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   2. U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: