[talk-au] park vs nature reserve
Can someone point me to guidelines for where the .au distinction between the two lies? I'm trying to map piney lakes (see http://www.melvillecity.com.au/environment/piney-lakes/copy_of_piney-lakes-bushlands ) which has a park-like southern area and a bushlands reserve to the north. Do I split the area into two? define some relation? similarly any advice on the dogs allowed part? Andrew ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
From: Andrew Elwell [mailto:andrew.elw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:43 AM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve Can someone point me to guidelines for where the .au distinction between the two lies? I'm trying to map piney lakes (see http://www.melvillecity.com.au/environment/piney-lakes/copy_of_piney- lakes-bushlands ) which has a park-like southern area and a bushlands reserve to the north. Do I split the area into two? define some relation? My guess is there is a leisure=park inside the nature reserve. It's important to remember that leisure=park doesn't apply to all parks. There have been cases where people have misapplied to large rural parks, which don't fit the definition of leisure=park. I'm not saying that's the case here, just that it's happened. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
Paul Norman wrote: It's important to remember that leisure=park doesn't apply to all parks. I'm guessing that the second park in that sentence is used in the North American national/state park sense whereas the one in the original question usage sounded closer to British English usage*. However one example, Kings Park in Perth, has it's entire area as a leisure=park, even the maintained bushland part: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4850399 This does make some sense to me as the maintenance of the bushlands part is surely just as artificial as the manicured lawns to the east. The first English stateley home parks were very much highly engineered to look natural too. Cheers, Andy * IANA Australian, so can't particularly comment on that... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:47 AM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve Paul Norman wrote: It's important to remember that leisure=park doesn't apply to all parks. I'm guessing that the second park in that sentence is used in the North American national/state park sense whereas the one in the original question usage sounded closer to British English usage*. However one example, Kings Park in Perth, has it's entire area as a leisure=park, even the maintained bushland part: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4850399 I've not been to Perth, so I can't comment, but based on the paths, I could see it being either way. This does make some sense to me as the maintenance of the bushlands part is surely just as artificial as the manicured lawns to the east. The first English stateley home parks were very much highly engineered to look natural too. The examples I was thinking of were places like Yellowstone National Park (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1453306) which is about 9 thousand square kilometers, or closer to me, the North Cascades, which is notable for its rugged mountain peaks. A comparable Australian example would be if someone tagged Litchfield National Park as leisure=park ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Elwell andrew.elw...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone point me to guidelines for where the .au distinction between the two lies? Great question. For my part, I'm pretty lazy and just tag everything as leisure=park, and hope that someone else will clean it up :) Within cities, it will be hard to come up with clear guidelines to apply the tags: nature reserves that are called X park, parks that are called X reserve, parks that contain conservation reserves within them, and vice versa. There is some not-very-enlightening text here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#.28National.2C_State_etc.29_Parks If you come up with any guidelines it would be great to document them there. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
Andrew, I don't think the current definitions in OSM provide well for the range of 'parks' you will encounter. I think its probably best to try and at least define the borders between various sections, even if you end up labeling them all with the same. For example near me there is a section of National Park, State Forest and State Conservation Reserve, all adjoining. Before the OSM licensing issues a few years ago, this was all presented as one homogeneous lump, clearly wrong. Better to get the areas mapped and if later, better tags come into use, easy to update. Tags worth thinking about - landuse=forest; recreation_ground; conservation (last one unapproved) leisure=park; nature_reserve; dog_park boundary=national_park I don't think the definitions of any of them are very helpful to be honest. I use boundary=national_park for parks we would clearly identify as not being a National Park but its the closest we have. David On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 15:42 +0800, Andrew Elwell wrote: Can someone point me to guidelines for where the .au distinction between the two lies? I'm trying to map piney lakes (see http://www.melvillecity.com.au/environment/piney-lakes/copy_of_piney-lakes-bushlands ) which has a park-like southern area and a bushlands reserve to the north. Do I split the area into two? define some relation? similarly any advice on the dogs allowed part? Andrew ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
