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--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: someone keeps on telling me not to tag for the renderer The other reason they were elevated is due a lot of them being of regional importance. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I had a play around wit Inkscape and 5mins later had come up with this: http://www.overclockers.com.au/pix/st7vm The link is to a transparent png so it doesn't look right with the dark blue background of the hosting service but such is life. I can't post the svg to the list without moderator approval as it makes the message body exceed 40kb. If anybody wants it just ask and I'll shoot it through to you personally. Feedback is welcomed. Having the two Map words on the right hand side kinda bugs me. Does OSM have any other slogans we could put on it? -Brent ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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That looks good, but... penStreetMap It's not obvious to the layman that the magnifying glass is supposed to be an O. And because pen is a common word many people will misread this as penStreetMap which makes about as much sense as OpenStreetMap if you've never heard of either. I'd strongly discourage using the magnifying glass as an O, it can fail too easily. Matt Amos is the original designer of the logo, perhaps he has a view on this. I'm copying him. Etienne On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: I had a play around wit Inkscape and 5mins later had come up with this: http://www.overclockers.com.au/pix/st7vm The link is to a transparent png so it doesn't look right with the dark blue background of the hosting service but such is life. I can't post the svg to the list without moderator approval as it makes the message body exceed 40kb. If anybody wants it just ask and I'll shoot it through to you personally. Feedback is welcomed. Having the two Map words on the right hand side kinda bugs me. Does OSM have any other slogans we could put on it? -Brent ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Noted, version 2: http://ocau.com/pix/yg3b2 - Original Message - From: 80n 80n...@gmail.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] posters/banners To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com That looks good, but... penStreetMap It's not obvious to the layman that the magnifying glass is supposed to be an O. And because pen is a common word many people will misread this as penStreetMap which makes about as much sense as OpenStreetMap if you'venever heard of either. I'd strongly discourage using the magnifying glass as an O, it can fail too easily. Matt Amos is the original designer of the logo, perhaps he has a view on this. I'm copying him. Etienne On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: I had a play around wit Inkscape and 5mins later had come up with this: http://www.overclockers.com.au/pix/st7vm The link is to a transparent png so it doesn't look right with the dark blue background of the hosting service but such is life. I can't post the svg to the list without moderator approval as it makes the message body exceed 40kb. If anybody wants it just ask and I'll shoot it through to you personally. Feedback is welcomed. Having the two Map words on the right hand side kinda bugs me. Does OSM have any other slogans we could put on it? -Brent ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Fri, 7/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Noted, version 2: http://ocau.com/pix/yg3b2 I actually like the other OSM logo, it gives the eye something to look at, just my humble opinion. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Yeah, the 2 logos kind of each represent an extreme: one is a bit plain and the other is too distracting. I might try putting a map rendered as the background, but have it more as a watermark than an attraction. It's probably time to read some Inkscape tutorials... Any other ideas are most welcome. - Original Message - From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] posters/banners To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org --- On Fri, 7/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Noted, version 2: http://ocau.com/pix/yg3b2 I actually like the other OSM logo, it gives the eye something to look at, just my humble opinion. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Fri, 7/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Any other ideas are most welcome. Check out this video: http://www.vimeo.com/5594110 Very first shot shows the kind of thing I'm aiming at here. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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The banner shown on the slide at 21s? The slide called Tsuruga-jo Castle? I could whip up that with Australia instead of Japan, sure. - Original Message - From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] posters/banners To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au --- On Fri, 7/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Any other ideas are most welcome. Check out this video: http://www.vimeo.com/5594110 Very first shot shows the kind of thing I'm aiming at here. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Fri, 7/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: The banner shown on the slide at 21s? The slide called Tsuruga-jo Castle? I could whip up that with Australia instead of Japan, sure. I didn't actually watch the online video, I assumed it was the same as the m4v file I downloaded, I just posted that link to save you needing to download the whole thing. However that was what I was thinking of. This vid shows a much clearer shot of it... http://www.stateofthemap.org/podcasts/sunday/state_room/1400_LT_06_Japan.m4v ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I took a screen capture of it from the vid: http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/osm-japan-capture.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Fri, 7/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: The banner shown on the slide at 21s? The slide called Tsuruga-jo Castle? I could whip up that with Australia instead of Japan, sure. I didn't actually watch the online video, I assumed it was the same as the m4v file I downloaded, I just posted that link to save you needing to download the whole thing. However that was what I was thinking of. This vid shows a much clearer shot of it... http://www.stateofthemap.org/podcasts/sunday/state_room/1400_LT_06_Japan.m4v ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Yeah, the 2 logos kind of each represent an extreme: one is a bit plain and the other is too distracting. I might try putting a map rendered as the background, but have it more as a watermark than an attraction. It's probably time to read some Inkscape tutorials... Any other ideas are most welcome. Version 2 gets my vote. Plain is infinitely better than crowded IMHO. Just make sure the two lines of text are horizontally centred with respect to each other. I wouldn't bother with putting a map in the background. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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What I'll probably do is just upload all versions of the banner somewhere and let whoever is paying for the print choose and tweak to their liking. That way all we need to agree upon is the OpenStreetMap name and the magnifying glass icon. In the end it's literally a 5min job to make different versions. For example, I personally believe that the Japanese banner was made for an international audience, why else would it have Japan not only written on it but in Roman characters. So, if we want a banner to be shown in a SoTM presentation then having Australia on it would be appropriate. Otherwise it may be best to have Gathering or Mapping Party or Meeting instead. With regard to horizontal centering: I aligned the text on the right hand edge but intentionally left the bottom line a bit to the left on the LHS so as to balance the protrusion of the magnifying glass. I'll whip up a few more versions tonight. Going on an endurance training ride today :). - Original Message - From: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:55 am Subject: Re: [talk-au] posters/banners To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Yeah, the 2 logos kind of each represent an extreme: one is a bit plain and the other is too distracting. I might try putting a map rendered as the background, but have it more as a watermark than an attraction. It's probably time to read some Inkscape tutorials... Any other ideas are most welcome. Version 2 gets my vote. Plain is infinitely better than crowded IMHO. Just make sure the two lines of text are horizontally centred with respect to each other. I wouldn't bother with putting a map in the background. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Thought I'd jump in late with some more input. I aligned the screen cap John posted, and created these posters based on the Japanese one. I personally like the “Australia” included, it makes it feel more like an Australian effort, rather than the mainly European effort that seems to take a lot of the focus. :) I also modified the OSM logo in a few, I'm not sure what kind of trade mark/tarms of use there are associated with it though, so it may not be appropriate for use. Just playing with some ideas. Anyway, the SVG sources are available too if anyone wants to have a go. http://barstool.ash.ms/osm/posters/2009-08-09/gallery ← Gallery http://barstool.ash.ms/osm/posters/2009-08-09/ ← Directory listing Cheers, Ash. On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 08:39 +1000, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: What I'll probably do is just upload all versions of the banner somewhere and let whoever is paying for the print choose and tweak to their liking. That way all we need to agree upon is the OpenStreetMap name and the magnifying glass icon. In the end it's literally a 5min job to make different versions. For example, I personally believe that the Japanese banner was made for an international audience, why else would it have Japan not only written on it but in Roman characters. So, if we want a banner to be shown in a SoTM presentation then having Australia on it would be appropriate. Otherwise it may be best to have Gathering or Mapping Party or Meeting instead. With regard to horizontal centering: I aligned the text on the right hand edge but intentionally left the bottom line a bit to the left on the LHS so as to balance the protrusion of the magnifying glass. I'll whip up a few more versions tonight. Going on an endurance training ride today :). - Original Message - From: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:55 am Subject: Re: [talk-au] posters/banners To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Yeah, the 2 logos kind of each represent an extreme: one is a bit plain and the other is too distracting. I might try putting a map rendered as the background, but have it more as a watermark than an attraction. It's probably time to read some Inkscape tutorials... Any other ideas are most welcome. Version 2 gets my vote. Plain is infinitely better than crowded IMHO. Just make sure the two lines of text are horizontally centred with respect to each other. I wouldn't bother with putting a map in the background. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ashley Kyd • Web Software Development in Brisbane, Australia. • Phone (07) 3129 2332, or visit http://kyd.com.au/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Actually, a follow-up to that, the logo is indeed trade marked, so it'll have to remain as is, and possibly be okayed for use first. I don't know how trade mark law works, so someone else might have to work that out. Cheers, Ash. On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 08:39 +1000, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: What I'll probably do is just upload all versions of the banner somewhere and let whoever is paying for the print choose and tweak to their liking. That way all we need to agree upon is the OpenStreetMap name and the magnifying glass icon. In the end it's literally a 5min job to make different versions. For example, I personally believe that the Japanese banner was made for an international audience, why else would it have Japan not only written on it but in Roman characters. So, if we want a banner to be shown in a SoTM presentation then having Australia on it would be appropriate. Otherwise it may be best to have Gathering or Mapping Party or Meeting instead. With regard to horizontal centering: I aligned the text on the right hand edge but intentionally left the bottom line a bit to the left on the LHS so as to balance the protrusion of the magnifying glass. I'll whip up a few more versions tonight. Going on an endurance training ride today :). - Original Message - From: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:55 am Subject: Re: [talk-au] posters/banners To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Yeah, the 2 logos kind of each represent an extreme: one is a bit plain and the other is too distracting. I might try putting a map rendered as the background, but have it more as a watermark than an attraction. It's probably time to read some Inkscape tutorials... Any other ideas are most welcome. Version 2 gets my vote. Plain is infinitely better than crowded IMHO. Just make sure the two lines of text are horizontally centred with respect to each other. I wouldn't bother with putting a map in the background. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ashley Kyd • Web Software Development in Brisbane, Australia. • Phone (07) 3129 2332, or visit http://kyd.com.au/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Actually I doubt it would matter if you modified it or not, the Japanese sign was slightly modified, as is the logo on the swiss site: http://www.openstreetmap.ch/ If you look at the handle on the magnifying glass it's been made look like a swiss army knife. And I do like the image with the Australia in the background. http://barstool.ash.ms/osm/posters/2009-08-09/openstreetmap-osm-australia-austsralia.png Do you have a high-res copy of this, either SVG or PNG? Among other things I started making a site layout based on the Swiss site, rather than just displaying a map. http://maps.bigtincan.com/index-new.php ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Among other things I started making a site layout based on the Swiss site, rather than just displaying a map. http://maps.bigtincan.com/index-new.php The basic layout is OK I'd try to stop the logo overlapping with the grey bar the rendering gives coral sea islands and coral sea islands territory and ACT too much prominence and Norfolk Island doesn't appear at all (which is good rendering, but 'unfair') ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: The basic layout is OK I'm trying to make it easier for people to find Aussie specific stuff. I'd try to stop the logo overlapping with the grey bar All I did was replace the logo, the swiss site already did that. the rendering gives coral sea islands and coral sea islands territory and ACT too much prominence That's a rendering thing, I need to tweak the shields layout some more too, at some zoom levels they're fine, at other zoom levels they bunch up too much. I actually plan to ditch the references for coral sea islands out of the database, as soon as I figure out how, then they won't show. and Norfolk Island doesn't appear at all (which is good rendering, but 'unfair') I don't have any external territory data loaded in the database, but can if people think it would be useful. There are also in NW NSW a number of small places with undue prominence eg Burren Junction, Quambone and Baradine. I intend (when I have done my accounts), to downgrade every town which is not a city, back to town. Speak up now, if you don't agree. :-) -- You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: The basic layout is OK I'm trying to make it easier for people to find Aussie specific stuff. I'd try to stop the logo overlapping with the grey bar All I did was replace the logo, the swiss site already did that. the rendering gives coral sea islands and coral sea islands territory and ACT too much prominence That's a rendering thing, I need to tweak the shields layout some more too, at some zoom levels they're fine, at other zoom levels they bunch up too much. I actually plan to ditch the references for coral sea islands out of the database, as soon as I figure out how, then they won't show. and Norfolk Island doesn't appear at all (which is good rendering, but 'unfair') I don't have any external territory data loaded in the database, but can if people think it would be useful. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Well, what information do you want it to get across? Do we want OSM Australia to become some form of semi-official name for OSM activities/groups in Australia? Or do we just want a sign which says There's an OpenStreetMap mapping party meeting here, this is what you look for to find us in which case the Australia is redundant as we're in Australia already. I certainly think that re-using other OSM logos etc is an excellent idea though as it maintains brand consistency in the online-real world transition. It's probably worth thinking about how this will be seen, too. For instance say you're driving through a town you've never been to while looking for the mapping party meeting place. If you see that poster the text in penstreetmap gets lost very easily in front of the quasi-cammo pattern background. It may work better if the same concept is used with this symbol for the O: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/images/osm_withtext.svg and then penStreetMap next to it, as that way the text is much clearer to read and the form of the magnifying glass is easier to spot while trying to drive. Lastly, whatever gets written on it please try to maintain font consistency :). Serif fonts are great when you're reading bulk text but they aren't used nearly as often on banners as sans serif fonts. I'll have a go at sketching something up tomorrow night, after my current assignment is handed in. - Original Message - From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009 3:20 pm Subject: Re: posters/banners To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au, Ash Kyd a...@kyd.com.au I was digging about and I found this SVG image... http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/images/osm_button.svg I whacked the word Australia under it and made a very big png: http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/osm_australia_banner.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Thu, 6/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Well, what information do you want it to get across? Don't want look like a dork waiting for everyone to turn up :) Do we want OSM Australia to become some form of semi-official name for OSM activities/groups in Australia? Dunno, I didn't think of putting mapping party on it, but I didn't want to be place specific which is why I ended up putting Australia on it. I certainly think that re-using other OSM logos etc is an excellent idea though as it maintains brand consistency in the online-real world transition. Plus it saves time and effort coming up with something else. It's probably worth thinking about how this will be seen, too. For instance say you're driving through a town you've never been to while looking for the mapping party meeting place. If you see that poster the text in penstreetmap gets lost very easily in front of the quasi-cammo pattern background. I'm planning a one off vinyl banner about 50cm wide in full colour, everyone should have a fair idea where to be already, this isn't for a general flier run that gets posted out in letter boxes in bw. Lastly, whatever gets written on it please try to maintain font consistency :). Serif fonts are great when you're reading bulk text but they aren't used nearly as often on banners as sans serif fonts. Some people are colour blind, I'm font blind, I really don't see a lot of the subtleties that some people do in fonts, I was trying to find a font that looked similar to the penstreetmap text. Obviously it wasn't close enough :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
