Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
Nick Hocking nick.hocking@... writes: JohnSmith wrote I originally cc'd my original email to the HOT list as well, howeverit would see they doesn't bother trying to help unless you are a 3rdworld country with a high chance of PR... Given the incessant trolling and cyber-stalking of OSM by some vocal Australians, I'd be suprised if anyone else in OSMWorld gave tuppance for what happens in Australia. Furthermore, using a non-ODbL source such as NearMap is unfriendly and doing so under the pretext of disaster response is close to emotional blackmail. -- Andrew ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 15 January 2011 11:03, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Just FYI, the nearmap.com images of the Brisbane CBD are now up - 2cm resolution and taken on the 13th (from plane to web in 36 hours). Next up will be Ipswich at some point this weekend. http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.470182,153.027835z=16t=k Ipswich imagery came online this morning: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.599044,152.784601z=17t=k ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
I originally cc'd my original email to the HOT list as well, however it would see they doesn't bother trying to help unless you are a 3rd world country with a high chance of PR... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:02 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure how useful it'd be in Australia, but the massive floods all over Australia, except for the bush fires near Perth of course, might do well to map a lot of effected areas from Bing where coverage exists. and then ... On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I originally cc'd my original email to the HOT list as well, howeverBrotherhood Union Mevlana Supreme Foundation it would see they doesn't bother trying to help unless you are a 3rd world country with a high chance of PR... Perhaps somebody familiar with the affected areas could create a list of specific ways that remote mappers can help? Tasks that include specific geographic starting points and limited scope are easier to act on. map the extent of the ridge starting [lat, lon] and running northeast for n km map the roads, now flooded, between that ridge and the river If current, post-flood, imagery is available, and that data would be helpful, point to it and let folks know how it can help. I know that flood event imagery was difficult to get in Pakistan due to the continued overcast. where the flooding has retreated in [town] [lat, lon] map the unmapped roads and indicate the roads that are washed out. If other emergency data is available, indicate how it can be processed to help. aid and relief stations are at the locations in this file, we need an overlay layer for that. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 15 January 2011 10:45, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Perhaps somebody familiar with the affected areas could create a list of specific ways that remote mappers can help? Tasks that include specific geographic starting points and limited scope are easier to act on. Almost all eastern states of Australia are effected to some extent, Brisbane[1] and surrounding areas is just making most of the headlines because of the amount of people effected and the potential cost of the disaster. That said Grantham, Qld[2] seems to have been hardest hit with a flash flood demolishing houses and killing the people inside them. Toowoomba[3] was hit pretty hard as well, I think several people died during the same flash flood event. Last I heard the death toll was at 16 for Qld, I'm not aware if there has been any deaths in other states. Rockhampton[4] and Bundaberg[5] wer also flooded extensively, and there were reports of lots of snakes and crocodiles in the flood water. The in the state of Western Australia you have bush fires taking out houses, again because of all the focus on Brisbane these other areas aren't getting the same sort of coverage. Australia Post spent a lot of time and effort figuring out routes around the flood waters, this would have been a great opportunity for OSM and people making routing software to shine. map the extent of the ridge starting [lat, lon] and running northeast for n km map the roads, now flooded, between that ridge and the river Thankfully the water is now receding and so far the rain is holding off, but places like St George in south western Qld have just had their 2nd major flood event in 10 months, so it's possible with the ground so wet that it wouldn't take much rain to kick off another major flood event in the near future, and this might be likely with a strong la nina event persisting much longer than most had previously predicted. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.458lon=153.027zoom=10layers=M [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.578lon=152.20163zoom=15layers=M [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.5666lon=151.9347zoom=13layers=M [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-23.4001lon=150.5106zoom=12layers=M [5] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-24.8757lon=152.3254zoom=12layers=M * I'm not sure where the bush fires are exactly, can anyone else comment on this? These are only the more populated areas that have been effected, there is lots of farms isolated due to flood water that have to get helicopters to bring in food and other supplies that is of course assuming their farm house is still above water. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
Just FYI, the nearmap.com images of the Brisbane CBD are now up - 2cm resolution and taken on the 13th (from plane to web in 36 hours). Next up will be Ipswich at some point this weekend. http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.470182,153.027835z=16t=k b On 12 January 2011 18:39, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 January 2011 16:18, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Cloudbase was at 1600' last time James looked at it, which is a bit too low; I just spoke to him and whilst we can fly at 1000' if we want (for a 1cm survey), the buildings in Brisbane are a bit higher than in Perth :) Only in the city itself, then again that's where the Brisbane River is flooding... -- Ben Last Development Manager nearmap.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 15 January 2011 11:03, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Just FYI, the nearmap.com images of the Brisbane CBD are now up - 2cm resolution and taken on the 13th (from plane to web in 36 hours). Next up will be Ipswich at some point this weekend. http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.470182,153.027835z=16t=k Here's a couple of interesting things I found: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=NaN,NaNz=20t=knmd=20110113 You can see where the water levels were at... And this one people are in the local park getting some recreation time in: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.4,153.94z=22t=knmd=20110113 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 15 January 2011 11:29, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a couple of interesting things I found: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=NaN,NaNz=20t=knmd=20110113 Hmmm looks like I hit a bug :D http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.541924,152.944222z=19t=knmd=20110113 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
Ben, some interesting shots there. I take it the MultiView part won't be up until later? It seems to be showing older imagery at the moment. A little bit of unfortunate image slicing here in just the wrong place. :) http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.475182,153.020904z=20t=knmd=20110113 And I see the dry dock didn't stay dry. I wonder if that old ship is still waterproof enough to float off it's supports? http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.481832,153.026254z=20t=knmd=20110113 Stephen On 15 January 2011 11:03, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Just FYI, the nearmap.com images of the Brisbane CBD are now up - 2cm resolution and taken on the 13th (from plane to web in 36 hours). Next up will be Ipswich at some point this weekend. http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.470182,153.027835z=16t=k b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
Hi - yes, in the interests of time we skipped Multiview for these surveys so as to get the PhotoMaps up faster. cheers b On 15 January 2011 11:54, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Ben, some interesting shots there. I take it the MultiView part won't be up until later? It seems to be showing older imagery at the moment. A little bit of unfortunate image slicing here in just the wrong place. :) http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.475182,153.020904z=20t=knmd=20110113 And I see the dry dock didn't stay dry. I wonder if that old ship is still waterproof enough to float off it's supports? http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.481832,153.026254z=20t=knmd=20110113 Stephen On 15 January 2011 11:03, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Just FYI, the nearmap.com images of the Brisbane CBD are now up - 2cm resolution and taken on the 13th (from plane to web in 36 hours). Next up will be Ipswich at some point this weekend. http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.470182,153.027835z=16t=k b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager nearmap.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
It's all collected at the same time, but to speed up processing we left the multiview out of this pass (it'll get done later) so that the Ipswitch and river mouth surveys get online faster cheers b On 15 January 2011 13:28, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Hi - yes, in the interests of time we skipped Multiview for these surveys so as to get the PhotoMaps up faster. cheers b So you guys didn't collect the multiview imagery, or is it processing and will be up at a later date? The terrain looks much more details than the previous flights, expected as higher res imagery gives a higher res point cloud... even though they don't seem to have been rendered past zoom 17. -- Ben Last Development Manager nearmap.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 15 January 2011 11:02, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard the death toll was at 16 for Qld, I'm not aware if there has been any deaths in other states. I just heard that one person from Grantham, their body was found 86 km away. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 15 January 2011 17:35, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: JohnSmith wrote I originally cc'd my original email to the HOT list as well, however it would see they doesn't bother trying to help unless you are a 3rd world country with a high chance of PR... Given the incessant trolling and cyber-stalking of OSM by some vocal Australians, I'd be suprised if anyone else in OSMWorld gave tuppance for what happens in Australia. What a pointless email, there has been a great disater with many people dead and that's the sort of thing you post in this thread. Yet another middle finger for aussies from OSM... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:35:58 +1100 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: JohnSmith wrote I originally cc'd my original email to the HOT list as well, however it would see they doesn't bother trying to help unless you are a 3rd world country with a high chance of PR... Given the incessant trolling and cyber-stalking of OSM by some vocal Australians, I'd be suprised if anyone else in OSMWorld gave tuppance for what happens in Australia. __ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au there's a link just there, you are able to use it to unsubscribe ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 12 January 2011 16:18, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Cloudbase was at 1600' last time James looked at it, which is a bit too low; I just spoke to him and whilst we can fly at 1000' if we want (for a 1cm survey), the buildings in Brisbane are a bit higher than in Perth :) Only in the city itself, then again that's where the Brisbane River is flooding... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 19:02 +1000, John Smith wrote: It might be worth while trying to get additional coverage for areas effected for humanitarian reasons, after all they're searching for bodies in Toowoomba not just people. Anyone have any ideas who could be approached for such imagery? Not that its terribly useful for the OSM project at the moment, but hopefully the nearmap guys might do some imagery as great as they did after the NSW floods in December. Anyone from NearMap got any reponses to when you might be flying affected QLD areas again? David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
I heard that they were planning to do flights up north a few days ago, but couldn't get flight permissions, what with the state of emergency. And in the southeast (actually, pretty much everywhere, today), you'd get lovely grey clouds right now. In fact, if you look at Brisbane, it hasn't been updated for months, for that very reason. Stephen On 11 January 2011 20:44, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Not that its terribly useful for the OSM project at the moment, but hopefully the nearmap guys might do some imagery as great as they did after the NSW floods in December. Anyone from NearMap got any reponses to when you might be flying affected QLD areas again? David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 11 January 2011 20:44, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 19:02 +1000, John Smith wrote: It might be worth while trying to get additional coverage for areas effected for humanitarian reasons, after all they're searching for bodies in Toowoomba not just people. Anyone have any ideas who could be approached for such imagery? Not that its terribly useful for the OSM project at the moment, but hopefully the nearmap guys might do some imagery as great as they did after the NSW floods in December. Anyone from NearMap got any reponses to when you might be flying affected QLD areas again? While this might be good directly for those dealing with floods, it would be less than ideal for deriving from, some parts of the St George area wasn't very easy to derive from etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
Main water supply dam for Brisbane (Wivenhoe) was under 40% a few years ago, it hit 170% today because of all the flash flooding in and around Toowoomba. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On 12 January 2011 03:51, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Main water supply dam for Brisbane (Wivenhoe) was under 40% a few years ago, it hit 170% today because of all the flash flooding in and around Toowoomba. For those in Brisbane, power is being cut to some suburbs at 7 am today (12/1/11) and may not go back on until after flood levels drop. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:44 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 19:02 +1000, John Smith wrote: It might be worth while trying to get additional coverage for areas effected for humanitarian reasons, after all they're searching for bodies in Toowoomba not just people. Anyone have any ideas who could be approached for such imagery? Not that its terribly useful for the OSM project at the moment, but hopefully the nearmap guys might do some imagery as great as they did after the NSW floods in December. Anyone from NearMap got any reponses to when you might be flying affected QLD areas again? @NearMap: We are on stand-by in #Brisbane awaiting the clouds to either lift or clear, so we can capture #qldfloods #thebigwet #qld #bnefloods http://twitter.com/NearMap/status/25057890825936896 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
Cloudbase was at 1600' last time James looked at it, which is a bit too low; I just spoke to him and whilst we can fly at 1000' if we want (for a 1cm survey), the buildings in Brisbane are a bit higher than in Perth :) Last time (Wagga) we managed to go from takeoff to images online in 8 days. Not making any promises on how fast we'll do it this time, but you can be sure we'll be working at it... Cheers Ben On 12 January 2011 14:03, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:44 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 19:02 +1000, John Smith wrote: It might be worth while trying to get additional coverage for areas effected for humanitarian reasons, after all they're searching for bodies in Toowoomba not just people. Anyone have any ideas who could be approached for such imagery? Not that its terribly useful for the OSM project at the moment, but hopefully the nearmap guys might do some imagery as great as they did after the NSW floods in December. Anyone from NearMap got any reponses to when you might be flying affected QLD areas again? @NearMap: We are on stand-by in #Brisbane awaiting the clouds to either lift or clear, so we can capture #qldfloods #thebigwet #qld #bnefloods http://twitter.com/NearMap/status/25057890825936896 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager nearmap.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
