Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks everybody for your suggestions.

A lot of it seems to be a known Firefox issue where it doesn't release
memory after closing a tab - at one stage yesterday arvo I had 2100+MB
(over half my RAM!) being used by Firefox :-(

Hasn't been an issue till recently so I guess something has been updated
somewhere which has then done something strange? Looks like I'm just going
to have to keep an eye on it & clear the memory as it gets too bad :-(
Could also be my laptop which is now 6 years old (!!!) & has been
displaying some other hiccups, so may be on it's way out :-(

Have now set up my own thread
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-July/014834.html re
the issues I'm having setting up my own Roulette challenge.

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 19:55, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
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> In Firefox type in the address about:performance to see which Firefox
> tabs are using the most CPU ("Energy Impact") and memory.
> Closing the top tabs in this list can speed Firefox up.
>
> On 28/7/21 5:59 pm, Bob Cameron wrote:
>
> Task Manager (ctrl-alt-del and select) will show process/ram hogs. sort by
> cpu usage then memory, grab the process name and search on it...
>
> 4GB may be a little light too.. If your hard drive flogs (swaps) a lot
> that may be worth a look.
>
> G'luck!
>
>
> On 28/7/21 3:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Adam Horan  wrote:
>
>> I've hit quota blocks so many times in the last few days trying to get
>> these queries working at all
>>
>
> Another question, possibly re this?, for you & anybody else who may be
> working Roulette.
>
> These last few days, while I've been working on Roulette problems, my
> laptop (Win 8.1, Firefox 90.0.2, 4GB Ram) has been absolutely chewing CPU &
> Memory. ATM with only Roulette & GMail open, it's sitting on 40% CPU & 90+%
> Memory usage :-(, while actually editing OSM is painfully slow.
>
> I've cleared the cache, restarted, run a MalwareBytes scan & all normal
> troubleshooting but no go.
>
>  Anybody else had similar issues, or any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Kim Oldfield via Talk-au]

In Firefox type in the address about:performance to see which Firefox 
tabs are using the most CPU ("Energy Impact") and memory.

Closing the top tabs in this list can speed Firefox up.

On 28/7/21 5:59 pm, Bob Cameron wrote:


Task Manager (ctrl-alt-del and select) will show process/ram hogs. 
sort by cpu usage then memory, grab the process name and search on it...


4GB may be a little light too.. If your hard drive flogs (swaps) a lot 
that may be worth a look.


G'luck!


On 28/7/21 3:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:


On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Adam Horan > wrote:


I've hit quota blocks so many times in the last few days trying
to get these queries working at all


Another question, possibly re this?, for you & anybody else who may 
be working Roulette.


These last few days, while I've been working on Roulette problems, my 
laptop (Win 8.1, Firefox 90.0.2, 4GB Ram) has been absolutely chewing 
CPU & Memory. ATM with only Roulette & GMail open, it's sitting on 
40% CPU & 90+% Memory usage :-(, while actually editing OSM is 
painfully slow.


I've cleared the cache, restarted, run a MalwareBytes scan & all 
normal troubleshooting but no go.


 Anybody else had similar issues, or any suggestions?

Thanks

Graeme


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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Bob Cameron]

Task Manager (ctrl-alt-del and select) will show process/ram hogs. sort 
by cpu usage then memory, grab the process name and search on it...


4GB may be a little light too.. If your hard drive flogs (swaps) a lot 
that may be worth a look.


G'luck!


On 28/7/21 3:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:


On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Adam Horan > wrote:


I've hit quota blocks so many times in the last few days trying to
get these queries working at all


Another question, possibly re this?, for you & anybody else who may be 
working Roulette.


These last few days, while I've been working on Roulette problems, my 
laptop (Win 8.1, Firefox 90.0.2, 4GB Ram) has been absolutely chewing 
CPU & Memory. ATM with only Roulette & GMail open, it's sitting on 40% 
CPU & 90+% Memory usage :-(, while actually editing OSM is painfully slow.


I've cleared the cache, restarted, run a MalwareBytes scan & all 
normal troubleshooting but no go.


 Anybody else had similar issues, or any suggestions?

Thanks

Graeme


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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Little Maps]

> For any other non-programmers (like me) looking for good resources on 
> Overpass code, I’ve found this site to be really useful. It’s got lots of 
> practical examples and good, simple explanations. I find it simpler to follow 
> than the overpass wiki pages, although the combination of both is invaluable. 
> https://osm-queries.ldodds.com/
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au]

Jul 28, 2021, 07:29 by graemefi...@gmail.com:

>> You can check your throttle status on the standard server here >> 
>> https://overpass-api.de/api/status
>>
>
> Which came back with
> Rate limit: 22 slots available now.
> which I assume means it should be OK?
>
Yes, this reported that 2 out of 2 slots are available.

If you run query recently there could be listing of how long you need
to wait for query to become available again (for small queries 
done rarely it could be seconds, for large repeated ones you can
get hours before you are allowed to query again)

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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au]

Jul 28, 2021, 07:23 by aho...@gmail.com:

>
> Industrial on one side, residential on the other? 
> Personally I don't mind leaving this as residential as you suggest, so just 
> mark it as not an issue.
>
Often residential will be valid there, so I would skip it.

> If you get blocked on the standard one then you can change the overpass api 
> server that you're working with. In overpass-turbo setting you can switch to 
> > https://overpass.kumi.systems/api>  which is a different instance hosted by 
> some people who don't have a limit > https://overpass.kumi.systems/
> In my tests the data is recent.
>
Note that it has repeated problems with corrupted data (both queries simply 
failing 
- especially for attic data) and with queries returning outdated/corrupted data 
silently.

> Speaking as a programmer, I'm not sure that I've ever encountered a language 
> as poorly explained and documented as overpass QL. 
>
I just always start from existing examples.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Overpass_API_by_Example
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Advanced_examples

I almost never write such code, I rather find the closest example and modify it.
In my experience that almost always works well.

I started also writing introduction at
https://mapsaregreat.com/geographic-data-mining-and-visualisation-for-beginners/overpass-turbo-tutorial.html
(right now and for long time it is just starter, but maybe may be useful and 
maybe one
day I will continue writing it)
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 15:23, Adam Horan  wrote:

>
> Industrial on one side, residential on the other?
> Personally I don't mind leaving this as residential as you suggest, so
> just mark it as not an issue.
>

Done!

You can check your throttle status on the standard server here
> https://overpass-api.de/api/status
>

Which came back with

Rate limit: 2
2 slots available now.

which I assume means it should be OK?

Speaking as a programmer, I'm not sure that I've ever encountered a
> language as poorly explained and documented as overpass QL.
>

Oh good, it's not just me then! (& I'm definitely NOT a programmer!)

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Adam Horan]

Industrial on one side, residential on the other?
Personally I don't mind leaving this as residential as you suggest, so just
mark it as not an issue.

This is also why I've not yet done the same challenge for Commercial, as
there's even more scenarios where they are mixed.


Re setting up challenges in MapRoulette and overpass.

You can check your throttle status on the standard server here
https://overpass-api.de/api/status

If you get blocked on the standard one then you can change the overpass api
server that you're working with. In overpass-turbo setting you can switch
to https://overpass.kumi.systems/api which is a different instance hosted
by some people who don't have a limit https://overpass.kumi.systems/
In my tests the data is recent.

Speaking as a programmer, I'm not sure that I've ever encountered a
language as poorly explained and documented as overpass QL.


On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 14:59, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Adam Horan  wrote:
>
>> I'd assumed I was talking to a guru!
>>
>
> I'd love to know where you get that idea ‽ :-)
>
> Yeah, I'm OK on OSM, but that's about it, especially when the instructions
> are all written in Computer, not English! As it was once put : "I don't
> know what makes 'em run, I just use 'em"
>
> This is the project https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/46014
>>
>
> Have started on the Qld ones, thanks, but one question arising from it.
>
> When it's industrial on one side of the street, & houses on the other,
> what do we want to call it?
>
> Maybe best left as =residential?
>
>
>> I've hit quota blocks so many times in the last few days trying to get
>> these queries working at all and then semi-efficiently.
>>
>
> Been trying my own challenge with your, & other sample codes, but not
> getting anywhere, & got that block earlier :-(
>
> I'll post it all up when the limit (hopefully?) refreshes tomorrow & see
> what real experts :-) think I'm doing wrong.
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Adam Horan  wrote:

> I've hit quota blocks so many times in the last few days trying to get
> these queries working at all
>

Another question, possibly re this?, for you & anybody else who may be
working Roulette.

These last few days, while I've been working on Roulette problems, my
laptop (Win 8.1, Firefox 90.0.2, 4GB Ram) has been absolutely chewing CPU &
Memory. ATM with only Roulette & GMail open, it's sitting on 40% CPU & 90+%
Memory usage :-(, while actually editing OSM is painfully slow.

I've cleared the cache, restarted, run a MalwareBytes scan & all normal
troubleshooting but no go.

 Anybody else had similar issues, or any suggestions?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Adam Horan  wrote:

> I'd assumed I was talking to a guru!
>

I'd love to know where you get that idea ‽ :-)

Yeah, I'm OK on OSM, but that's about it, especially when the instructions
are all written in Computer, not English! As it was once put : "I don't
know what makes 'em run, I just use 'em"

This is the project https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/46014
>

Have started on the Qld ones, thanks, but one question arising from it.

When it's industrial on one side of the street, & houses on the other, what
do we want to call it?

Maybe best left as =residential?


> I've hit quota blocks so many times in the last few days trying to get
> these queries working at all and then semi-efficiently.
>

Been trying my own challenge with your, & other sample codes, but not
getting anywhere, & got that block earlier :-(

I'll post it all up when the limit (hopefully?) refreshes tomorrow & see
what real experts :-) think I'm doing wrong.

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Adam Horan]

lol, I was not expecting to be the maproulette expert after 2 days of
playing with it :) I'd assumed I was talking to a guru!

This is the project https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/46014

In this project I have used overpass queries, like this one.

//State
area[admin_level=4]["name"="South
Australia"][boundary=administrative]->.boundaryarea;

way(area.boundaryarea)[landuse=industrial];
map_to_area -> .industrial_areas;

//residential roads in this area
way(area.industrial_areas)[highway=residential];

out geom ;


I worked out this query based on googling for examples of things in other
areas, and found one about regions of Germany with or without fire
stations. I then simplified and modified it to what I needed. Testing in
https://overpass-turbo.eu/ until it returned sensible looking results.
Fortunately the queries are relatively quick and efficient.

I created a second project covering another bugbear of mine - reservoirs in
Australia mapped as a 'dam'
https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/46022
The overpass queries in this run too long, and so a couple of them are
based on geojson data sets exported from overpass turbo. I've hit quota
blocks so many times in the last few days trying to get these queries
working at all and then semi-efficiently.

Adam



On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 18:45, Adam Horan  wrote:
>
>> I've created them in MapRoulette - quite good fun really :)
>>
>> (Adding each state now.)
>>
>
> Yep, they're there & they work fine!
>
> Now, could you please share the secret of how you did it? :-)
>
> I'm trying to set one up myself, but I'll be jiggered if I can get it to
> work.
>
> What did you use as the "Location of your Task Data"?
>
> Thanks
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> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 18:45, Adam Horan  wrote:

> I've created them in MapRoulette - quite good fun really :)
>
> (Adding each state now.)
>

Yep, they're there & they work fine!

Now, could you please share the secret of how you did it? :-)

I'm trying to set one up myself, but I'll be jiggered if I can get it to
work.

What did you use as the "Location of your Task Data"?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Adam Horan]

@ Graeme  - I've created them in MapRoulette - quite good fun really :)

(Adding each state now.)

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 15:43, Adam Horan  wrote:

> I'll see how many there are, and also work out how to setup something in
> maproulette :)
>
> Re commercial. There's many more residential streets in small commercial
> areas - eg high streets and small shopping strips in suburbs. These ones
> need more thinking about than the industrial ones.
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 15:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 14:00, Adam Horan  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've worked out an overpass query to find these, and I'll do some manual
>>> changes of residential to unclassified.
>>>
>>> I'm also assuming the same is broadly true for 'residential' roads in
>>> commercial areas, so I will look for mistakes there too.
>>>
>>
>> Happy to help with them Adam, so maybe set up a Roulette challenge for
>> each, for each state?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Adam Horan]

I'll see how many there are, and also work out how to setup something in
maproulette :)

Re commercial. There's many more residential streets in small commercial
areas - eg high streets and small shopping strips in suburbs. These ones
need more thinking about than the industrial ones.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 15:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 14:00, Adam Horan  wrote:
>
>>
>> I've worked out an overpass query to find these, and I'll do some manual
>> changes of residential to unclassified.
>>
>> I'm also assuming the same is broadly true for 'residential' roads in
>> commercial areas, so I will look for mistakes there too.
>>
>
> Happy to help with them Adam, so maybe set up a Roulette challenge for
> each, for each state?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 14:00, Adam Horan  wrote:

>
> I've worked out an overpass query to find these, and I'll do some manual
> changes of residential to unclassified.
>
> I'm also assuming the same is broadly true for 'residential' roads in
> commercial areas, so I will look for mistakes there too.
>

Happy to help with them Adam, so maybe set up a Roulette challenge for
each, for each state?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Adam Horan]

Thanks all.

I've worked out an overpass query to find these, and I'll do some manual
changes of residential to unclassified.

I'm also assuming the same is broadly true for 'residential' roads in
commercial areas, so I will look for mistakes there too.

Thanks,

Adam

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 16:01, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:04, Adam Horan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Tagging them as residential just *seems* wrong to me.
>>
>
> Agree with you entirely!
>
> Out of the other options, =unclassified is the best choice, with =service
> being left for driveways & similar internal roads.
>
> I do, though, remember seeing discussion a while back about changing
> unclassified to quarternary, which would make a lot of sense! :-)
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
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Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:04, Adam Horan  wrote:

>
> Tagging them as residential just *seems* wrong to me.
>

Agree with you entirely!

Out of the other options, =unclassified is the best choice, with =service
being left for driveways & similar internal roads.

I do, though, remember seeing discussion a while back about changing
unclassified to quarternary, which would make a lot of sense! :-)

Thanks

Graeme
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